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Posted by jonestopten on February 9th, 2010 under Basketball, Recruiting
Rick Barnes once said one of the smartest things I have ever heard about basketball… and management… and, for that matter, life.
Several years ago on Longhorn Sportsline, Craig Way described a recent game where Royal Ivey had come up big—I forget the circumstances—and Way pitched the idea that it was nice to see Ivey become such a contributor because he wasn’t the most talented guy Barnes had on the team. Barnes cut him off with this:
“Playing hard is a talent.”
As opposed to an “intangible,” Barnes meant. True statement, and the underlying philosophy informs Barnes’ leadership style quite well. Up to this point, Barnes “gets the most out of his talent” serves up one of the easy sound bites for the lazy journalist (right up there with Mack Brown “builds a family atmosphere” and Augie Garrido “drops peyote and listens to Ravi Shankar pre-game”).
Ivey provides the best case study. Roy, despite being barely recruited to play big school basketball, still holds down an NBA roster spot: firmly entrenched as the fourth point guard option on the Sixers’ depth chart.
What Barnes means by playing hard, historically, has been almost fanatical effort on defense and the boards, discipline with the basketball, the courage and temperament required to play through rough moments and total commitment to Todd Wright’s conditioning regimen.
All good…except this season one suspects that playing hard by the Barnes definition is not just a talent, but the only talent that matters. Oh, if these kids could only be Royal Ivey. Of course, Ivey represents an outlier of a couple of standard deviations with regard to achievement drive.
Achievement drive is a psychological construct that measures ambition and a willingness to work toward goals. Casual fans mistake this—a lot—for competitiveness. All of the Texas kids are competitive: Jordan Hamilton, Avery Bradley, J’Covan Brown (perhaps to a fault). But they may not be driven to the extent required by their coach. Damion James is, of course; Doge Balbay is; and Justin Mason used to be (wasn’t he a “more talented” Royal Ivey two years ago?). Gary Johnson is both full of drive and resilience and so is Dexter Pittman, but he may well have left it all in the training room. If you are not driven, then Barnes will drive you.
If you could just be more like Royal Ivey.
We have a Bobby Knight coach for a John Wooden team. Not a real stretch to imagine the 2010 version of Barnes (or any version of Knight) screaming at Walt Hazzard for not being strong enough at the point of attack, yanking Gail Goodrich after a couple of missed jumpers, complain about Lew Alcindor’s “intensity” and kicking Bill Walton straight out of school for smoking pot in the dorm.
What’s the matter with Bobby Knight? He won three titles. But not with the kind of roster Barnes has (or Wooden had). Someone run down for me the NBA career stats of Kent Benson, Scott May, Steve Alford, Keith Smart, Dean Garrett. Knight coached exactly one elite early-entry NBA talent in his career at Indiana (and he’s still pissed Isaiah Thomas left early). He did coach lots of four-year kids who completely bought in to the Knight program and possessed drive comparable to their coach. Barnes assembled a team like that, complete with his own version of Isaiah Thomas, in 2003. But in the age of one and done, he will probably never have another one.
Someone get our man a copy of They Call Me Coach. Then have him, as Trips Right suggested, call Mike Krzyzewski—a Knight disciple who figured it out. Coach K lives by two rules on his teams: no jealousy, no fear.
Think that might be a nice change of pace for these Horns?
College Basketball, John Wooden, Mike Krzyzewski, Rick Barnes, Royal Ivey, Texas Longhorns
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 50 minutes ago
Nordberg,
Ironic indeed……teachable moment, I guess….
NY Horn,
I hope your drunk, because Izzo ain’t coming to Texas……Why don’t we just get Coach K. I mean Coach G came from Duke, they have to be dying to get out of Durham….
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 54 minutes ago
Egg, that’s fine, but at what point do you blame Barnes? Seriously, man. You’ve thrown players under the bus left and right, but at a certain point, doesn’t the buck stop somewhere. I know you’re more of an NBA guy so it begins and ends with players there, but we need fucking
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 54 minutes ago
Egg, that’s fine, but at what point do you blame Barnes? Seriously, man. You’ve thrown players under the bus left and right, but at a certain point, doesn’t the buck stop somewhere. I know you’re more of an NBA guy so it begins and ends with players there, but we need fucking
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 56 minutes ago
Trips,
I hear ya. I’m frustrated as well. I guess I just don’t prescribe to such a black and white characterization of the situation. I do know that no matter what happened in the huddle, JCB made a dumb play. If Rick didn’t explain or remind him of the situation, then I
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Pat, know I don’t, but I’ve had coaches draw up plays to free up the best foul shooter and then tell that guy they’d put their foot up his ass if they passed the ball. It’s funny, but as a fans of football we nitpick blitz pickup and shit like that. Shit that’s
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Pat, you know I don’t, but I’ve had coaches draw up plays to free up the best foul shooter and then tell that guy they’d put their foot up his ass if they passed the ball. It’s funny, but as a fans of football we nitpick blitz pickup and shit like that. Shit
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Pat, you know I don’t, but I’ve had coaches draw up plays to free up the best foul shooter and then tell that guy they’d put their foot up his ass if they passed the ball. It’s funny, but as fans of football we nitpick blitz pickup and shit like that. Shit that’s
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Shitty season…..Rick needs to hire some offensive help and someone needs to say it to him. Deloss?
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Trips,
Do you know that he didn’t? JCB has made bad decision all season, why would this be any different. Barnes coached a shitastic game, but on the teams I was the best FT shooter, I never game up the ball unless it was an uncontested layup…..It’s not hard and it doesn’t take a
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
mcpayne, yes, you don’t leave that shit to chance. You don’t let your guys break the huddle or dead ball not knowing precisely what’s expected from them. Barnes doesn’t get 2 mil for coaching PE where he’s hoping the right guy gets fouled.
uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
mpayne, I’d agree with you if J’Covan had been playing all season and had been in situations to make that decision. Like, you know, against Baylor, when he played all of 3 fucking minutes thanks to rick.
So yes, it is rick’s fault.
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
With 15 seconds left, out of a dead ball, most coaches would make it perfectly clear who they wanted to be fouled.
uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Stupid decisions by Brown are one of the reasons he sat on the bench for most of the season…lack of coaching maybe, or just a lack of basketball IQ?
Oh well, if Brown doesn’t go off in the 2nd half, we aren’t even playing in OT. Too bad he didn’t get much of a chance
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Pat, if you were making 2 million a year, would you leave that up to chance?
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Actually, if your a PG and the best FT shooter on the team and played basketball your entire life, you’d pretty much know not to give up the ball if you had any brains…..Such a dumb play…..
D W commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Oh, and a stupid decision by Brown in giving up the ball to Johnson.
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Be nice if we’d coached our 90 percent foul shooter not to give the ball up.
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Ransom,
1 for 2, that was not shitty defense……
Mister Mike commented on the blog post State of the Union – NU Basketball, Part 1 (or Why We Are Where We Are) 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Well if you had read it all the way, you would’ve noticed this little tidbit:
In the second part I’ll do my best to give an outline of what exactly is wrong with the program, what we can do to fix it, and then what will probably happen TO fix it.
So to answer your question:
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uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
The line kills us, as it should have.
Fuck Rick Barnes, as this was the worst coaching I have seen in all my years of watching UT sports.
This saved us from Kentucky, but I feel bad for Damo, he was a hell of a Longhorn.
Hook ‘em!
And FUCK RICK BARNES!
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Feel bad for Damion…..Dexter and Mason, not so much….
D W commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
So the season ends with missed free throws and shitty defense by Bradley. Pretty fitting.
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Yup……We knew that FTs would get us….
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
F’n Gary’s been awful tonight….
uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
GJ at the line…big heart needed!
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Why does Brown give it up there?
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Bilas explaining why we’re not a smart team…Oh good, I want Gary at the line…
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
The good news is that now I know to fill out the census, so i’m not going to jail…not for that anyway.
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Holy shit
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
F’n A…..WTF….
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dick said:
February 9th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
That was great jones. Thanks a lot.
exuLt said:
February 9th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Epiphanous, but not really seeing a path forward here.
sizzlechest said:
February 9th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Well put, Adam. The Knight/Wooden complex is a pretty decent corollary to Barnes and coaches that coach to the talent instead of the other way around.
Vasherized said:
February 9th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
I know there is a coded porn reference in there, I just haven’t found it yet.
Wooden!
hookem625 said:
February 9th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Well done. This addresses something that I haven’t seen much of regarding our troublesome woes- that being a will to win- so I definitely approve. It’s something that actually occurred to me lately after, like most, I lost sleep over unreached potential, cried about questionable personnel decisions, and screamed at Barnes for screaming at players. As it’s been stated numerous times in countless ways across these blogs, our team has problems. However one of those that hasn’t been discussed has been the lack of effort I’ve seen out of our players. I don’t by any means question their competitiveness, but that energy and effort that has propelled average players like Royal into quality contributors is something missing from everyone- with maybe the exception of James- on this team. Like a majority of our mental problems, this probably ties into Barnes but at some point you’d think our guys would get tired of underachieving and slap the floor, go balls to wall on defense, force a turnover, drive down court, get in the lane, finish with an authoritative dunk, victoriously yell at the opponent, pump the crowd up, and make life good again. Or something to that effect (I can dream right?). J’Covan seemed to do something like this last night in which he basically just said “screw it” and balled it up. I mean he even looked somewhat competent on D right?! I don’t know, this might be my mistaken optimism talking. But simply put, half our team is more talented that Royal ever was and if they would just put forth as much effort as he did, we might regain some confidence and take a step in the right direction. Playing hard truly isn’t a talent so with some positively directed effort, we might be able to play like the team we thought we’d be.
Jackanape said:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Avery B busts his ass everytime he laces em up.
jonestopten said:
February 10th, 2010 at 5:01 am
I agree with that–and Bradley appears to be the one freshman that Barnes trust. But it also looks like he’s not having fun anymore. Barnes has ground Bradley down just like the rest of them.
2xHorn said:
February 10th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Lord, I loved Royal Ivey. My favorite player of the Barnes era.
Guy used to write “40 minutes” on his shoes to remind him not to let up . . . .
Good stuff as usual Jones.
HOOKEM
skymonkeyhorn said:
February 10th, 2010 at 9:22 am
The majority of times I agree with the poster that said that 90% of the posters here had knowledge of the simple game called basketball.
In a far off galaxy near the bono star posters need a legal brief to post any idea. They have strange laws to abide with that are PC. So be it.
Rick Barnes also has strange rules to abide by and that is that defense wins games.That is pretty good if that is all the talent that you have . No disrespect but this team has tons of basketball talent( skill sets) that would make Royal All Galaxy if he had some of their skill sets.
AB bust his ass for 40 minutes and plays harder then anyone with the exception of James. Its rather short sighted to say that the “will to win” is lacking in talented players. They have played at a high level and developed the will to win with many hours in the gym and weight rooms to set them self up to win a game that is simple.
No one plays to lose but players are taught to play “not to lose”.
This in itself causes players to think and not respond like the talented (skill sets) players they are. The majority of players want to please their coaches some we have are fanatical like JCB and AB, and believe it or not so does JH..
The will to win is taught to every athletes from the time they are knee high to a frog the truly great athletes score more points be it Basketball,football etc… and it takes a team to do it.
Who plays to lose ???
If I was busting my ass playing defense I sure as hell would want to score points to win the game like these guys that are highly talented players. I want to posterize every frigging sooner ,red fucking raider teckie,hawk eater and mother fucker out on the field of play. Nuke the bastards, rip out their throats,cut off their balls . You get my idea.
The talented players that come to play here are the pick of the litter according to Rick Barnes.
Why we do not recruit tall players 6′10″ or above is a big Q for Ricky. A truly talented Big that can put on their socks and chew gum at the same time would be nice maybe Tristan will be the answer and will not be a 2-3 year project. We seem to get one evey other year a project big.
Coach Knight would get players that fit his system to a T. Barnes gets high level players with skill sets that are 100% better then Coach Knight players. Coach Knight and the other K teach their players to win with their talent and team work. Barnes teaching them to play defense and fuck their truly gifted skill sets (except Kevin) we will win in the 50’s if we are tougher and more physical then the other team.
To play the elite or semi-elite teams offesnse is just as important as defense, I would be happy with a 60% offense and 40% defense and we would be damn near elite. This year we have more talent (skill sets) then any team Barnes has had ,even pre Texas teams. But we look like shit 24 games into the season. We are not semi-elite nowhere close even if we end up with 20 or more wins. Remember our schedule 10-12 cupcakes.
“Barnes has ground Bradley down just like the rest of them.” Correct de Mundo.
Tough to force feed a Longhorn before he throws up on your ass. Our freshmen are still spinning in circles and disorganized due to the force feedings. 24 fucking games onto a season and we still do not how to play the game Barnes style. What do they fucking practice?
I hope we get HOT and make a deep run but I am not putting any money on it !
Now no more rants, time for coffee.
The End.
scottyc5 said:
February 10th, 2010 at 10:34 am
This team reminds me of a much more talented version of the 2006-2007 Duke team – the team that lost to VCU in the first round. That team started 15-1 with wins over big name schools that ended p having down years, which turned out to be fools gold. Duke had the pieces to be a top 15 that year, but a combination of pouty upperclassmen (well, Soph Josh McRoberts), deferential freshman, and a coach (yes, Coach K) that couldn’t quite figure out how to use his personnel made for a frustrating season. And as a Duke fan (other alma mater), I hated that team. They were awful to watch. They finished 8-8 in conference and lost to VC-fucking-U.
While there are several fairly strained parallels between the 2 teams, the main parallel I see is the Gerald Henderson/Avery Bradley comparison. Not in the style of play, but in their constant deferral to their less talented teammates. It’s stunning how similar it is. Gerald should have been shooting 15 times a game his freshman year but deferred to McRoberts/Paulus/Nelson. Avery is killing it out there on defense and in effort, but sometimes I wish he’d get a little of J-Ham’s “gotta get mine”. Everytime he gets the ball and pauses for 3 seconds at the perimeter, I hold my breath hoping for that jet-quick drive to the hoop we’ve seen from him. Essentially, Avery is Mikey from Swingers right now with these claws, man….
Anyway, this season isn’t lost yet, but it’s frustrating to watch a team not be able to put it together. Hook ‘em.
magnusbleuveigner said:
February 10th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Well done Pacman. Nice to “hear” from you in the offseason.
lowdenswain said:
February 11th, 2010 at 5:55 am
“It’s not the will to win, everyone has it. It’s the will to prepare to win that matters.”
Bobby Knight