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Posted by CloseToJumping on February 8th, 2010 under Football, Recruiting
We know Junior Day #1 is this Saturday. There’s flux in regard to who will and won’t be on the roster come the 2010 season, but let’s assume the numbers don’t really matter, as a whole bunch of seniors leave after 2010 and attrition will take place as well.
So your number is 25 max.
What positions are taken and why? My thoughts are below.
QB (1) - Every team wants to have four competent QBs on campus in various states of development at any given time. Texas is no different. I expect them to make David Ash feel like he’s the only dream they’ve ever had at QB. He’ll commit by the end of the month. If he doesn’t, I think they look out of state instead of at Brewer.
TB (2) - They are changing the offense in part to convince Malcolm Brown that Texas is the school for him. I hope he and his dad are convinced. Brandon Williams is suddenly getting a lot of coverage. He was going to be one of those badass “who dat?s” but the cover is blown. I see no way Sims comes here if Brown is as well. Either would come with Williams, I’m guessing. No way there isn’t attrition at TB this offseason. There is a backlog of players named “Bob” at this spot now. No clue who will be leaving, but the numbers tell the story, especially if Texas takes two.
FB/H-Back (1) – If they’re looking to start going downhill more from the I and hoping to stay somewhat multiple with the I-formation personnel as well, Bergeron is a great fit. He can do it all, including run the ball, so he’s a great candidate to play numerous snaps for the team, even in one-back sets. We haven’t recruited a true FB since Will Matthews.
WR (3) – I have heard opinions all over the place on this position. Some people still seem to be under the illusion that we’ve got all kinds of numbers at WR. Huh? We have non-producers, unknowns, and inconsistencies. I hope Monroe can stay eligible. I hope Williams develops consistency. Desean Hales, Fitzwhitey, Grant – these are unknown entities at this point in the underclass group. The five guys coming in help fill voids here, but at best, we’ve got nine guys for four positions with zero attrition.
Right.
Some folks will move on. Williams could leave early. Grant could go on med-scholly. Shipley will be the 1st or 2nd commit and he’s a legitimate witch. The Arlington dude with the Nigerian last name might be another. Is Metoyer a guy that has an offer reserved up to signing day? Maybe. Hope so. He looks OU bound at this point, although that stuff changes.
TE (1) – We did not take a TE in the 2010 class. Some idiots will have the instinct to counter that with the name Darius Terrell. They’re to be ignored, no matter how loud they get banging their heads against the wall. On the roster, Matthews, Graham, and Grant (depending on who you believe) will all apparently be fit to work out in the spring. You can bet that Irby and Harris won’t, and both will be going med-scholarship at some point soon. Texas needs to find a threat at TE. It appears to be McFarland out of El Paso. I would like to see Texas get him. The dude works on his blocking drills after practice, has good hands and a mean spirit. He’s also got the size and we won’t be depending upon him to “grow into the position”. Matthews supposedly really came on during the bowl practices too, so there’s hope at this spot beyond Greg Smith The Blocker.
OT (3) – Texas will be starting Britt Mitchell at one of the tackle spots this fall. That should make your head snap. This has been the most poorly handled position on this team, pretty much for years. McWhorter’s more or less a buffoon at this point when it comes to recruiting, retention, and production from the Tackle spot. What happened to this guy? We desperately need at least two guys. Westerman is likely a top 20 national guy and loves us. Haverty from NM is another big time guy that Texas will allegedly pursue. Cochran and Greenlea are other candidates, seemingly. I have heard good things about the Greenlea guy, but it’s unclear to me if Texas even has an interest.
OG (1?) – Flowers, out of North Shore, is so good and from such a ridiculous pipeline school that they have to take him. Do they honestly need anyone else at the OG spot? We have roughly six other guards that return after 2010. Walters is suddenly looking completely unhealthy forever, but so did Jordan Shipley at one point. Ashcraft, Porter, and Kelly from the 2009 class are interior guys as well. Hopkins is an interior dude. Maybe they take a look at Drango?
C (?Profit?) – No clue here. To be honest, I have no real clue how to even theorize a strategy with the OL recruiting right now. I’ve not seen a good one put forth by anyone on any of the boards or the folks that know a ton offline either. I challenge anyone to post a thread about what we’re doing on OL that makes any sense whatsoever and simultaneously gives the majority of us comfort. Much like constant happiness or Apple Slice, finding this solution will remain an elusive desire. Wait, what about Center? Obviously Snow and Espinosa will be back after 2010. How many other Centers do we need on the DC?
DT (2) – Cotton, Dorsey, Howell, Johnson, Bible, Randall, Kriegel, Higgins, Mims. Without signing a single DT in the 2011 class, that’s 9 guys that will be returning after the 2010 season, sans attrition. Obviously Higgins isn’t on scholarship right now but he’s a D-1 talent. It is unclear where Kriegel and Mims fit in on the DL, so consider them swing guys. Even lopping those three off, that’s still six guys to form a three deep.
It’s an embarrassment of riches. Can they still get who they want at DT with that depth already there? I hope so. Anderson and Jackson are both standout guys. Land them and call it a day. They may both be top 100 guys. Will one of those two commit around a Junior Day? I don’t think so, but others folks seem to believe it.
DE (2) – Jeffcoat, Daniels, Wilson, Okafor, Dominque Jones, Kriegel, Mims, Carter, Dravannti Johnson. Again, that’s nine guys coming back after 2010 without taking a single DE this year. Obviously, there will be some attrition, but they’ll still be going three deep with this group without taking anyone else. Another embarrassment of riches. Nathan Hughes will be a Junior Day commitment and Cedric Reed may be someone they pursue all year, although, again, some folks seem to think that this dude will commit early. Not sure who else is on the radar after those two, but they’re a pretty ridiculous top two. As a sidenote, folks like to think that Rasco is a legit candidate to come to Texas. I follow the Perrilloux Principle and remain from Missouri on getting any top Louisiana player away from LSU.
OLB (2) – Hicks, Acho, Benson, Robinson, and Nkwopara come back after next season. It’s not hard to see the need for two more guys in this class. I expect this to be a position where we’re pretty surprised by a name that pops up. “Huh?” and then everyone realizes that the advantages of early recruiting have enabled the staff to again find someone that everyone else hasn’t gotten to yet because they were all trying to finish their recruiting classes late into the fall. The Randle dude is supposedly a stud. Not sure who all of the names are that will be thrown around. Anthony Wallace? Chet Moss. There’s allegedly a solid group of OLB candidates out there in Texas.
MLB (1) – This is a spot with a lot of talent present currently, but not much beyond the 2010 season. Norton and Earnest will be gone. Allen will be unproven, and Tevin Jackson might well be coming off of a redshirt year. Roberson? Ok. There are a lot of guys out there that could fit the bill. Steve Edmond out of Daingerfield is supposed to be a complete standout. The Kendall Thompson guy? Would either grow out of the position? Not sure who else is on the radar, as all of the LB names have been running together for me so far.
CB (3) – After the 2010 season, it is considered a basic assumption by most folks that Aaron Williams will leave a year early to go pro. We all know he’s loaded with talent and he’s lived up to expectations, if not exceeded them. His Junior year could be truly amazing. That considered, if CBA Armageddon hits the NFL after next season, there may not be a 2011 season, or much of one. Does that impact guys like Williams? I hope so. Regardless, outside of him, Eryon Barnett will be there and not much else outside of the class just signed. Philips, Byndom, Jackson, White. Outside of White, there are no promises that any of the other guys play CB. I hope at least one does, and that that one develops well. Regardless, we’re going to need to sign some CBs in the 2011 class. Unfortunately, there aren’t a ton of in-state guys that fit the bill. Leroy Scott will be a Junior Day commit and that will be huge. He’s supposed to be awesome. Past that, sure there are other names in Texas, but I expect the staff to go looking elsewhere. Is four too big of a number to sign? Perhaps, so I’m typing that they get three. I don’t see them getting two from OOS, so there will be an unknown that commits during Junior Day or one of the lesser heralded guys that we’ve all heard about will take an offer.
S (1) – The situation at Safety won’t be quite as dire as at CB after next season. That considered, there are some standout guys in the 2011 class that will be pursued and we’ll see some upper class attrition and the signings will be merited. Brewster, Scott, Gideon and Wells are all ostensibly returning after 2010. One or more of them will move on or be spun to OLB. Of the class just signed, Philips and Jackson are expected to be Safeties. So how many safeties really need to be signed in the next class? I don’t expect more than two candidates and one is the most likely. Shannon out of Skyline is getting talked up. Maybe he’s the second guy. I think Sheroid Evans will be the first and I think he’ll be a Junior Day commitment.
Athlete (2) – This is always a “position” that confuses and excites me, much like the Crouching Tiger. This past class had DeMarco Cobbs and Adrian Philips slotted into this spot. Cobbs is legit as being a guy that might play anywhere, although TB is where they say he’ll start. Philips is actually a DB. Who fits the bill this year? The only guy for whom I’m certain the Athlete tag will be assigned is Q’andre Diggs. Surely another will pop up. I don’t expect that pop up to be Ledarious Brown. Maybe the MykkeleThompson dude gets dropped into this area, but is Texas really going to pursue him? The Kendall Thompson guy could be a bigger athlete, playing potentially LB, TE, or DE. He might be Texas good.
I count 25 guys if Texas doesn’t recruit a Center. I assume we’ll encounter at least 5 shocks during the Junior Days. That seems par for the course. Those should be fun. Muschamp is running the recruiting process now and he’s shown proclivities for going out of state. My guess is that about five to seven targets arise in that vein over the next few months and that we sign to or three if we’re lucky. It appears as though the dude is committed to raiding the SEC and ignoring the West Coast. That’s a shame, but it’s also another post entirely. Scipio tilts at those windmills more than I do anyway, so I am sure he’ll have the annual one posted down the line when we target six guys in Georgia and Rasco out of Louisiana.
I bet on 10 commitments around the first Junior Day.
Scott
Evans
Brown
Shipley
Ash
Bergeron
McFarland
Hughes
Moss
Flowers
What are your numbers expectations? Thoughts? Don’t be shy. I was reading various posts today from around this time last year on this board and at ShaggyBevo’s recruiting board and 70% was about the best anyone got. It’ll be the same this year.
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bighornfan32 said:
February 8th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
I really like Westerman and Haverty. I hope we get both. I’d like both Brown and Williams, but I’m not that impressed with Bergeron. Watching his film, he never runs right over guys. In fact, he seems way to easy to bring down for someone his size. Reminds me of Whaley in that regard.
dick said:
February 8th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Dam, I was just going to post the same shit.
OT and DB are the most important postions. OT we need Westerman, Haverty and Drango/Greenlea/Cochran. What do we know about Cochran?
I hope Adrian White benefits from being there in the Spring. That is the one thing that worries me about the Class of 2010 is that not many people will be there for spring (Connor and Case almost don’t count because we won’t need them at all this fall) Is there a chance that Adrian Phillips plays the Earl position? Hybrid CB/S. I have pretty much written off Brewster at S.
I’ve read where Anthony Wallace is more of a MLB.
dick said:
February 8th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
‘”It appears to be McFarland out of El Paso. I would like to see Texas get him. :”
El Paso alert, El Paso alert! Andre Jones and Trips are from El Paso. Think about that for a minute.
Nickel Rover said:
February 8th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
The staff is actually recruiting pretty well for a man-blocking scheme with guys like Espinosa, Ashcraft, Huey, and so on… of course Texas doesn’t run such a scheme.
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bigdukesix said:
February 9th, 2010 at 12:32 am
The OL from New Mexico is Matt Hagerty, with a “g”. He’s on pretty much every national top 100 list that I’ve seen so far.
USC fans are dismayed that Westerman is coming our junior day.
With the scholarship numbers, I think we’re five over as of right now. That’s how many guys we have to lose before the class of 2010 arrives in the summer. I counted 17 scholarship seniors. So we’re looking at losing a bunch more guys during the season and next spring if we want to take another full class. And it would be something of a shame if we didn’t take a full class, given how well we are recruiting right now. Also, my math could be really fucked up.
At TE, it seems that McFarland is the anointed one, but Chris Barnett is the guy who is getting all of the publicity nationally. Texas fans are claiming there’s a character issue with Barnett. Anyone know the full story?
LSU fans are normally pretty cocky about getting guys out of Lousiana, and with pretty good reason. There was that season a couple of years back where they landed all 16 guys they offered in-state. But even these swamp-dwellers believe that there’s a legitimate chance that Rasco goes to Texas. LSU does not do well at Shreveport Evangel.
LSU fans think that they will get Reed.
bigdukesix said:
February 9th, 2010 at 12:45 am
Actually it’s Hegarty. My mistake.
bigdukesix said:
February 9th, 2010 at 12:55 am
It appears as though the dude is committed to raiding the SEC and ignoring the West Coast.
It’s understandable, with the way that recruiting is generally territory based. Isaiah Crowell, the RB we’ve been linked to, goes to Columbus Carver. That’s an Auburn pipeline school. Still, I can’t imagine that recruitment lasting much after our second junior day.
I’m in complete agreement that the low hanging fruit is in California. It’s relatively under-recruited.
bigdukesix said:
February 9th, 2010 at 1:03 am
I really don’t want to repeat the horrid situation of the past few years where we starved for depth and talent at DT. It’s critical not to let defensive line recruiting slip. That said, if we bring in two tackles and two ends this year that would be 21 scholarships used on the defensive line. That’s a bit higher than ideal. Defensive line is 18% of the players on the field at any given time but would be about 25% of our scholarships. Texas would be fine with one end and one tackle in this class.
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Speed Kills said:
February 9th, 2010 at 4:44 am
“Ashcraft, Porter, and Kelly from the 2009 class are interior guys as well. Hopkins is an interior dude.”
The funny thing is, if you go back to signing day transcripts/pressers on all these guys, Mack said they all could play four positions on the line. Same with guys from the 2008 class. Is he lying? Not realistic? Not a good OL evaluator? Quotes below, to save you the trouble.
Trey Hopkins: Trey is sixth in his class academically of 1,000 at North Shore High School. He has great feet. He has the ability to play all five spots up front, so he could play either tackle as well as the inside positions.
Thomas Ashcraft: The eight young guys that came in early came because most of them want to have a better chance to play early. Thomas has great feet. He knocks down about six guys in a row here in this film. The players were hooping and hollering about him downstairs (in the team meeting). Thomas is from Cedar Hill. They won the state championship there in his earlier years. We think all four of these linemen can move their feet, but they’re big guys. He can play any of the four places, guard or tackle we feel like up front.
Paden Kelley: Paden Kelley grew up being a Texas football fan. He’s not in school. He’s from Lake Travis. His mom and dad went to school here. He’s got great feet. He’s really tall. He will be a young guy who will want to red-shirt as most offensive linemen do, because he wants to get stronger. But we liked his ability to run. He’s another 4.0 student. There are five, six, seven of them in this group. But for a 6-6 guy, he can move his feet really, really well. And as people start getting quicker defensive tackles because of the spread, they’re going to start — we’re going to have to have better athletes in the offensive line continually to block them. He will play tackle for us, that’s what he wants to do.
Garrett Porter: Garrett Porter, another 4.0 student from Odessa. They went deep in the playoffs. He’s another guy that’s really physical. Very impressed with these four offensive linemen, and we have found that by and large, the better the student, the more most of them have played. Especially in the offensive line. Garrett moves his feet. And stays after them. He’s another one that can play a lot of positions. We would not think that we would put Garrett or Paden or Thomas Ashcraft at center right now because they haven’t played it.
HenryJames said:
February 9th, 2010 at 6:26 am
CTJ,
Rivals doesn’t think there are any elite players in Texas this year. Do you think we’ll have to go out of state to compensate?
Thanks!
magnusbleuveigner said:
February 9th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Apparently Applewhite has been spending a lot of time in Brookshire and it sounds like Williams is a lock for us.
Onyegbule is also a lock. Landing Shipley and Onyegbule gives us the flexibility to wait on Metoyer if we choose.
It definitely seems like we’re going to chase Brown much harder than Green and I like that. Brown is the quintessential every down back.
Only attrition I see at rb after this year is Jeremy Hills.
Carroll bailing might have put us in the driver seat with the Westerman’s. That’s one of those “recruit the family” situations that Mack excels at. I’m not sure old man Westerman is going to like Kiffins antics.
HenryJames said:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:07 am
I summer in Brookshire.
TaylorTRoom said:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:23 am
I like your comments on need numbers. Need isn’t based on how many guys you have at a position on scholarship; it’s based on how many guys you have that can actually play the position. We are woefully short at RB, WR, TE and OL.
It really is amazing how much healthir the depth chart is on defense than offense.
As for Charlie Brewer- I hope weget him, primarily for nostalgic reasons. His dad wasn’t an elite talent either, but he was the best QB we had from about 1975 to about 1994. Even if his ceiling is Todd Reesing-level, it would have been nice to have had Todd Reesing ready to come in during the BCS CG.
Beergut said:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:51 am
“Brown is the quintessential every down back.”
Magnus -
While I agree that Brown is a very good back, I’m not buying he’s the type of back that comes along once every 150 years..
Greg Smith said:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:58 am
That’s Extra Blocking Surface to you Mister!
Shannon Kelly, Todd Dodge, Bret Stafford, and Mark Murdock said:
February 9th, 2010 at 10:12 am
“As for Charlie Brewer- I hope weget him, primarily for nostalgic reasons. His dad wasn’t an elite talent either, but he was the best QB we had from about 1975 to about 1994.”
Fuck off.
magnusbleuveigner said:
February 9th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Michael Brewer, not Charlie, and I’m fine with him if Ash backs out. 2012 is more important for qb than 2011.
Extra Blocking Surface. said:
February 9th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Sir, that’s Extra Blocking Surface, not Greg Smith. Kindly refer to me by my proper apellation.
Max Fischer said:
February 9th, 2010 at 10:49 am
It’d be nice to know which of these guys were legitimately the best prospects but Orangebloods and Inside Texas are going to put out lists that pretty much defer to Texas’ offer list. I get why they do it, it just also leaves me without an idea of who the best players are
Scipio Tex said:
February 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Good stuff, ctj.
The contrast between the state of our roster on offense and on defense is notable. So many offensive guys who need upgrading or a push out because of ability reasons. On defense, our issues are more around bad luck and occasional thuggery.
QB – It’s Ash. Going away from running threat QBs isn’t something I favor.
RB – Some elite RBs refuse to go to a school where they’ll take two. Interested to see if that’s the case for Green, Sims, Brown, Williams etc. If so, that’s an easy eliminator for one of them.
TE – Yep. MJ is the guy.
OL – It’s really crucial that we take only quality here. I think you can also make a strong argument for taking 5 for reasons similar to your argument regarding WR. MacWhorter can fill out this class by May if he chose to do so, but it would be at the expense of 1-3 guys that we really need.
WR – What you describe, I’ve coined with the phrase “False depth.” False depth is a parade of names at a position who are unknown, unreliable, above average, or demonstrably shitty that the average fan can list in a three deep and assume all is well because, you know, the three deep is full. We have false depth problems at RB and WR and that’s not a good thing given that those folks are sort of like your playmakers.
Defense.
DT – Yup.
DE – Both of our in-state targets look like eventual spin down candidates (Hughes/Reed). If we want to recruit true DEs, outside of Rasco and some of the other in-state guys, I think we may also look to people you currently consider LBs. See Edmond.
LB – Wallace is a true MIKE. Lots of good players here again. I’d be inclined to take more with the idea of converting them.
DB – I don’t pretend to know how good Miketavious and Kolby are, but if we don’t think they can come in and be good players by the time they are sophomores, we need to look OOS.
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Scipio Tex said:
February 9th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Max -
It’s always a puzzle early, but once you start to get data points, it’s not hard to put it together. The proliferation of film on Youtube really helps too.
I have a pretty good idea on 15-18 guys that I really covet and I’m pretty sure that list won’t alter too drastically by this time next year.
HenryJames said:
February 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
I’m from Pasadena on Onyegbule. Dude averaged less than 12 yards per catch last year.
joe said:
February 9th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
we are targeting nick waisome from florida
Bill in Sinton said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
A good list. I hope we get a good Center though. But I don’t know who I would give up for him.
Scipio Tex said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
joe –
Yeah, targeting a guy in rural Central Florida should go well for us. No barriers to entry at all.
thomas said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
so who do you want us to go after oos. plus db-u sells it self
Scipio Tex said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
I’ve opined on this for a long time and West is the easiest place to go in almost all circumstances.
If a guy has a special connection to Austin, the university, or this staff, great. Go get ‘em. If not, California is the place you oughtta be.
Yes, DB-U sells itself. That’s why we had Brandon Foster and Ryan Palmer starting for us two years ago backed by Ishie WhichWayDidHeGo and a walk-on.
magnusbleuveigner said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Joe and Thomas, Joe Thomas (?) are the same dude.
Bill in Sinton, we just signed two OL’s in this last class. One will play center, one will play guard. My money is on Hopkins at center and Espinosa at guard.
magnusbleuveigner said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
I’m actually a little concerned about Leroy Scott. I hear his over aggressiveness lends him to getting beat deep. This time last year Adrian White was the shit and he lost some of his shine. Hopefully what I’m hearing is wrong. Scott plays for South Houston I believe. I think I’ll go catch a game with CTJ as he lives just inside the Loop at Gulfgate.
Scipio Tex said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
You can coach aggression. You can’t coach athletic ability.
HenryJames said:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Watch the second play of this Sheroid Evans highlite video.
Harsh said:
February 9th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
“Yeah, targeting a guy in rural Central Florida should go well for us. No barriers to entry at all.”
If I’m not mistaken, The Great Satan that is Stoops and his ebony imp Shipp, find the recruiting waters calmer out west VS. the shark and gator infested cesspool that is the SEC.
Harsh said:
February 9th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
joe – the above was intended for you.
urban meyer said:
February 9th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
dillon van der wal is a tight end prospect from cali were targeting supposedly
Harsh said:
February 9th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
“dillon van der wal is a tight end prospect from cali were targeting supposedly”:
Watched him in ‘Varsity Blues’. Pretty sure his eligibility has expired..
Texasfootball said:
February 9th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
nice effort ctj. I like Green best at RB—it may not be for us but got that feeling he’s gonna a huge difference maker at the college level. Wallace and Edmond are definitely no-brainers—they may be carbon-type copies of each other position-wise but you can’t turn down guys that can play the game like they can. We need OLine help big time—doesn’t matter if it’s a different breed of personnel or a Muschamp-type coach it justs needs to happen.
Thanks for the read.
nick saban said:
February 9th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
10,000 for camp visit
100,000 for commitment
DrSicwiti said:
February 21st, 2010 at 11:01 pm
This is that van der Wal kid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GRLodjSHc