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huskerwes1 said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Is there any way the next year will not be rough for whoever (whomever?) they hire? Who does Kansas have now? I have not seen their bench.
texastough said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
HipHop is convinced its Harbaugh, but didn’t he say no to the Irish? Why on earth would he go to KU when he could get the same money at an ND, Michigan, etc? And why was that the first time I’ve heard ‘gleek’ in 20 years?
Scipio Tex said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
huskerwes –
I don’t know how good the new QB is. His last name is Pick though and that’s never a good thing. If he wears #6, I will personally donate $1,000 to the KU athletic fund.
I think KU struggles a bit, but it’s not like the North is too daunting and they catch a break on their South opponent. They have a non-con with Ga Tech where they will be routed, but the other OOC are winnable.
texastough -
I hadn’t heard that word in a long time either. Makes me want to put on my Members Only jacket and watch Manimal reruns.
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
WTF? We still don’t get mentioned on the strength of schedule reduction? Sheffield is going to pummel you in Lubbock for not saying that.
lazer2280 said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Seems like Turner Gill would be a good fit there with his Nebraska roots. Further, he has obviously shown a penchant for getting more out of a team than the sum of its parts. A necessary talent at Kansas, no offense intended. Anybody know where Gill played his high school ball?
On a somewhat related note, am I the only person who thinks the Brian Kelly hire was mediocre at best? Everything I have read says that it is a perfect fit and great hire by ND, but I just don’t see it. The Domer’s problems are not on offense, they are on defense. So they go out and hire essentially Weis 2.0. A good offense guy who has never (to my knowledge) fielded a better than average defense. Sure his resume says “college” on it more times than Weis’ resume did, but I’m just not seeing how it is such a brilliant hire.
nordberg said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
“I hadn’t heard that word in a long time either. Makes me want to put on my Members Only jacket and watch Manimal reruns.”
Or as you normally call it, Friday.
Groundhog Day said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Skip Holtz took over a UConn program that went 14-19 before his arrival. In 1998 after 100 years in football UConn made it’s first appearance in a playoff game. In fact, he should be credited for laying the foundation for which Randy Edsall stands today. After joining his father as an assistant at S Carolina he took over an East Carolina club that had gone 3-22 before his arrival. His record since he took over is a very respectable 38-26 which includes the the last two Conference USA championships. His 2008 squad opened up the season with back to back upsets of Virginia Tech and West Virginia.
Tuberville would be a fantastic hire but his age has to be a question if you are looking for longevity. He has proven he can win and assemble a quality staff at the highest level.
I’m not completely sold on Gill although one can’t overlook the job he has done at Buffalo. By all accounts, he is a class act, but there are questions surrounding his ability to recruit and that should be a death sentence if KU is looking to continue some momentum and reach another level.
I, like Scipio, think Harbaugh is fantastic. I followed him at Michigan and have been closely observing his ability to recruit and coach the tree. However, the chances of him going to KU seem pretty slim.
Sumlin would be an interesting hire. It appears he can coach, but again has he proven that much yet to warrant a look from a big time program.
Brewster would be an excellent hire. It would get him closer to the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas which he knows so well. Minny was in awful shape when he got there and I understand the natives might be getting restless, but the gophers must be patient. If I’m Lew Perkins this might be my top guy along with Tuberville.
Scipio Tex said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
ded -
Sheffield looks like an Olsen sister after a big meal.
Eddie Jones will plant him in the turf at Jones like a fencepost and Taylor Potts will have to get out his backhoe to free him. If you can shield me from the urine and feces that Tech fans will attempt to throw at me for wearing my Horn gear, then I will consent to attend and make mocking comments about your revamped DL. The Greg Davis running game will pummel them mercilessly and you will find yourself in an endless barrage of 2nd and 7s.
Now, apologize.
Scipio Tex said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
nordberg -
Uh, Friday is NightHawk. You don’t EVEN KNOW.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
This write-up reeks of cross promotion….
Why on Earth would Harbaugh leave Stanford for Kansas? He’s hotter than Hansel right now. He’s doing what Willingham did, but he’s reeling in better classes. No, his next gig will be much more prestigous than KU, unless he knows hoops.
A while back when discussing our home and home with Minnesota I said that I didn’t want Tim Brewster in our own backyard and you told me to not sweat it, we aren’t after the same caliber player. I’m going to have to tell you the same thing. I don’t care if KU is in our conference or not, no kid is going to say no to us and go to Kansas. The only way it could possibly happen is if it’s a Cobi Hamilton type situation and we’re just late to the party. Even then, no biggie. Hell their DE Onyegbule’s little brother will commit 2 seconds after he’s offered by us. I think the older Onye is a senior, but still.
I go Turner Gill if I’m them. He’s got the all important DFW ties where he can make a play for the Rashod Favors of the world, he’s young, and he’s got a decent amount of buzz around him. Seems to be a good cat, who knows how to win.
Scipio Tex said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
lazer -
Cincy has fielded solid defenses. Kelly is a proven program builder and a sharp guy. My bigger concern is how Kelly handled the elevated press focus and attention. I’m wondering if he’s ready for the big spotlight.
GroundHog -
thanks for the Skip Holtz data.
Brewster would not be a good hire. One coach with an anger management problem is enough.
raoulduke said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Turner Gill is, shockingly, on Wikipedia.
Sasha is a Longhorn Dog said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Y’all haven’t heard the word “gleek” in years? Y’all must not be aware of the amazingness that is Glee.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Man I think I used the word gleek on one of the forums.
Scipio, subliminal plagiarist.
Nighthawk was tight, wait, was that the motorcyle guy dressed in black? I get them confused. Nobody, and I mean nobody, was lamer than JMV in Airwolf.
srr50 said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I am convinced that there is no way Harbaugh ends up in Lawrence. Just no way.
BTW he just hired his dad, Jack to be the interim running backs coach for the Sun Bowl game with OU. He replaces Willie Taggart, who was hired last month as head coach at Western Kentucky.
Jack Harbaugh was an assistant at Stanford back in the 1980′s and was the head coach at Western Kentucky, when Jim was on his staff.
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
lazer –
I think Kelly is a great hire. Guy builds programs and wins everywhere. Unlike Weis, he has a proven college track record. Seems like a can’t miss to me. Although I don’t envy him the schedule he’s stepping into or the personnel losses.
Groundhog Day said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
lazer2280,
If ND couldn’t land the big three(Gruden, Stoops, Meyer) Kelly was the next logical choice. In fact, I happen to disagree with your statement.
Kelly unlike the previous 3 hires comes with extensive head coaching experience and he has won everywhere he has been. Neither Davie nor Weis had been head coaches before and Willingham delivered a Rose Bowl in a very down conference (at a time when Wash and USC had taken their fall from grace).
I seem to remember the same thing was said about a coach from Youngstown who proved he was winner by dominating the 1-AA level and he translated that success to the major college level.
It doesn’t matter what level you coach, if you have an undefeated season after replacing 10 defensive starters you are doing something right. He has won the last two Big East Championships and he won national championships at the 1AA level.
Let’s not forget the intangibles. He is Irish Catholic, it’s his dream job, and he understands the culture of Notre Dame. I have also enjoyed listening to him talk as he seems to exude enthusiasm and confidence in his abilities to compete and win.
The big unknown is can he recruit at the highest level? Can I guarantee success? No, but if I had to bet I would put my money on him being able to restore Notre Dame football as a constant player on the National Scene.
Keep in mind, this coming from a guy who didn’t like the Phil Purcell engineered hire of Charlie Weis and didn’t like the Willigham hire as you could tell he just didn’t understand Notre Dame.
Groundhog Day said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Scip,
You answered my question regarding who on our staff had major issues a long time ago. I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up and it seems his time is limited.
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
What is it you guys say around here? I think it’s Terry McDaniel is going to pass Eddie Jones through his stool. I feel like bringing the shit-talk this offseason. I’ve been way too nice to you guys.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Somebody’s going to have to take Tim’s place. Who better than you?
It goes like this…..Eddie Jones is going to give Terry McDaniel a smooth-buttfucking.
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Damnit.
ColoradoAg said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Kelly’s biggest challenge will be having to recruit kids who carry the aptitude to spell “Notre Dame”. His squad at Cinci, while talented, is not comprised of intelektewals.
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Eddie Jones is going to fingerbang Terry McDaniel so hard it would make Garry Glitter in a Thai day-care center look restrained.
December 11th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
There is good offense and then there is top 5 offense. Cincy could get 48 pts in a game to win if they needed to. ND? Not so much.
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Colby Whitlock is going to skullfuck the guy who couldn’t beat out Chris Hall.
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
ded –
That one stung.
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I know. I was saving it. I might be right too.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
I’d say something about Acho doing Waddle wrong, but by all accounts he’s a good kid. My boy taught him at Columbus.
Ah fuck it, Acho is going to send Waddle to the prison laundry and make him wear make-up.
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
“Ah fuck it, Acho is going to send Waddle to the prison laundry and make him wear make-up.”
You mean make him rub crushed up Skittles on his cheeks and powder Kool-aid on his lips, right?
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Lonnie Edwards is going to horsefuck some true freshman like a housecat.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
No, the real shit, MAC, Sephora and the like. If they can fit heroin balloons up their Tim, they can fit mascara.
This time next year, that ‘Tim’ reference will be ‘Ded’, if dedfischer has his way.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
We’re going to beat you next year with nothing but West Africans, the brothers Acho, Okafor, Reggie Wilson, Patrick Nkwopara, and Garret Gilbert.
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
You’ll be calling the fire department to get Gilbert off the water tower by halftime.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Gilbert will base jump off that fucking water tower and deliver a perfect strike to Malcolm Williams for a(nother) 91 yarder down the sideline.
Seriously, is that tallest structure in Lubbock? I heard on a clear day you can see it from Midland.
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
On a clear day you can see it from Calgary.
Dutchie said:
December 11th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Considering that Eddie Jones is a pretty religious dude, the comments about him giving anyone a “smooth buttfucking” are pretty hilarious.
uthookem said:
December 11th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
but Stanford alums also try to engage you in talk about men’s water polo so what can I say?
Hey, when I was at Stanford Tony Azevedo was a bad-ass water polo player, and went on to the Olympics and is now one of the Top 10 highest paid water polo players in the world!
j.r.69 said:
December 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Not to change the subject, but Channel 2 in Houston is reporting that Kevin Sumlin has been contacted by, and is talking to, KU folks.
And now, back to horsefucking and etc.
lowery said:
December 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
I have nothing to offer other than SC fans I know (brother in Columbia) hated Skips guts. His stay there does seem like an outlier though.
j.r.69 said:
December 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
ummmm, make that Kevin Sumlin talking to Cincinnati folks, not KU.
dedfischer said:
December 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
“On a clear day you can see it from Calgary.”
And, you’re going to die if you come out and don’t know where to find water. Or worse, get scalped in the process of looking.
Savage said:
December 11th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
2.7 for harbaugh
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 11th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Dutchie, what the hell does that mean? I think the fact that it’s another man is more important as to whether or not Eddie Jones gives him a “smooth buttfucking.” Religion becomes secondary at that point. I may be wrong. “I was just about to sodomize that dude, but then at the last minute, I remembered I was baptized.” Or, “Are you kidding me, I ain’t fucking no dude!!!”
Have you ever followed the happenings of the Catholic Church? Being a man of faith doesn’t preclude you from giving someone a “sb.”
Man, I don’t want Sumlin to go to KU, glad j.r.standing69 had that wrong. No way Jackson Jeffcoat follows his old man to Cincy if the elder Jeffcoat follows Sumlin.
Scipio Tex said:
December 11th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Sumlin at Cincy would suit me just fine. Yes, it would.
Scipio Tex said:
December 11th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Harbaugh at Kansas. Whoa.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/kc-radio-harbaugh-to-accept-kansas-football-job-27359
hopefulhorn said:
December 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Kelly may be a good hire. However, I think the weather in South Bend combined with the importance of speed in the modern game make ND a tough gig. During ND’s heyday, college football was about power running and stopping power running. Their institutional advantages in recruiting big, strong, ethnic, Catholic linemen, LB’s, fullbacks, etc. fit this kind of game well. They pulled in just enough skill players from around the country. The weather was not an issue.
With the popularity of spread offenses, the game has become much more about speed on both sides of the ball. With the exception of Ohio State and Penn State, the dominant schools are now all in the Sun Belt: Florida, Bama, Texas, OU, USC, LSU, etc. They recruit their players from this area as well, primarily from California, Texas and Florida. These kids are used to training outdoors 12 months a year. When they aren’t playing their formal seasons in the fall or spring practice, they are competing in 7 on 7 tournaments. Ever been to South bend in January–peak season for national recruits?
The lack of team speed has hurt the Irish most on defense. Even when they have had good offensive skill guys recently (Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, Golden Tate) they haven’t had the speed on defense to contain elite offenses. Unless Kelly can get some fast kids from the South to come to ND, I don’t see that changing.
The academic restrictions don’t help nor is the lure of ND’s tradition what it was. Lou Holtz used to say that he knew within the first hour of a campus visit if he had a chance of signing a kid. The ones whose eyes got big at Touchdown Jesus were good to go and the others not so much. It has been long enough since ND was a power that all they represent to today’s recruits are the guys in the gold hats that get hammered by USC every year.
Expectations remain sky-high at Notre Dame but I’m not sure how realistic they are.
Phenomenal Smith said:
December 11th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Harbaugh at Kansas. Whoa.
I’ll believe it when I see it. A few days before KSU hired Prince the KC media went crazy with the Jim Leavitt to Manhattan strories.
Sailor Ripley said:
December 11th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I agree. Still not buying it. The blogs have forced traditional news to rush stuff to try and be real time.
Sailor Ripley said:
December 11th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
First link on Twitter search: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/12/11/kansas.coach.ap/index.html?xid=si_ncaaf
Backtracking?
Ha. Internets and college football coaching. This is fun.
Groundhog Day said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I am having a tough time believing this to be true. If so, Texas fans are going to hate Harbaugh and they will do so quickly. However, if true, it’s a great hire for the future of the Big 12.
Dave said:
December 12th, 2009 at 12:04 am
alumni
flamingmonkeyass said:
December 12th, 2009 at 1:01 am
This move would make zero sense to me for Harbaugh. Right now he’s sitting in the middle of one of the real fertile recruiting areas, where there’s only one real football power and a bunch of also-rans. At Stanford he’s poised to have some real success and parlay that into gig at a real traditional power (like Michigan). At Kansas he’ll have to travel to Texas and compete with Texas, OU, oSu, LSU, a&m, Nebraska, Tech, Arkansas and now TCU, and possibly Houston. That’s not including the other big time national programs that invade Texas like, Florida and Alabama. At Kansas he’ll be fighting over 3* with the rest of the Big XII. Just doesn’t make sense to me. Unless he plans on continuing his pipeline to California. Good luck with that Jim.
In addition to the recruiting difficulties he’d be facing, there’s also the issue of being 2nd fiddle at Kansas. Sure football’s never going to be something Stanford hangs its collective hat on, but a successful program will find support well year round there. You at least give yourself a chance to be the featured attraction on campus. That’s just never going to happen at Kansas.
I guess I’m just confused as to why Harbaugh would even consider this move. Unless he’s really that scared of facing USC next year.
Crapload of Money that Stanford Will Not Pay said:
December 12th, 2009 at 5:09 am
“his move would make zero sense to me for Harbaugh.”
Hi!
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 12th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Hopefulhorn and Flaming,
Both of your first paragraphs mirror my thoughts.
Harbaugh is a fool if he goes to KU. Dumbest lateral move since Bush in the ’05 championship game.
MerHorn said:
December 12th, 2009 at 8:23 am
He can recruit Texas better at Stanford than KU. At Stanford he was able to get some good Texas talent that realized the value of that Cardinal degree…now at KU if he wants to recruit the elite in Texas he will have to fight Texas, ou, aggie, lsu, osu, nebraska hell even tcu.
So he will be at a basketball school who will not show up to that crappy stadium once the novelty wears off and he goes 7-5….but he will be entertaining and will have lots of quotes that we will hate.
Groundhog Day said:
December 12th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Hopeful,
You bring up an interesting thing about the weather and I’ve heard many ND fans bring up this very subject and it’s very tough to argue against winning without a power based offense in November. Another thing to keep in mind which I think you were trying to say is the huge demographic shift from the Midwest/East to the Sunbelt in the last 20 years. Notre Dame has always recruited nationally and will continue to do so.
However, to suggest that ND never had the athletes to keep up with speed is a bit of myth. Th ND teams of the late 80′s and early 90′s played schools that threw the ball around. Those teams that beat the likes of Miami, FSU, Tennessee, Florida etc. were loaded with skill players at WR, DB, TE, and RB. Just ask the Todd Lyght, Pat Terrell, Bobby Taylor, The Rocket, Ricky Watters, Derek Brown, Tony Rice, Reggie Brooks, Tom Carter, Irv Smith, Rodney Culver etc.
I do agree though that outside of possibly Nebraska, Notre Dame had the best offensive line in football during their heyday under Holtz.
Phenomenal Smith said:
December 12th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Backtracking?
I read that as “yes, we’ve offered him the job, but there’s nothing more embarrassing than getting turned down, so I’m going to tell you there’s no offer on the table.”
hopefulhorn said:
December 12th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Groundhog,
Good point re: demographic shifts to the South from the industrial midwest and northeast. That may be the best short answer to the whole question.
Along that line, perusing ESPN’s national top 150 recruits for 2010, 18 of the top 20 and 26 of the top 30 come from the south. Of the top 30, 8 are from Florida, five from Texas and five from CA. Demographics have a lot to do with those numbers.
RE: the great ND players from the south in the late 80′s and early 90′s, that was also a time when Texas, OU and USC were in down periods, relatively speaking. The SWC, particularly, was dying. Kelly is going to have to recruit sunbelt players at a time when a number of more local programs are strong.
BTW, nice handle. Terrific film, one of my favorites.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 12th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Ned? Ned Ryerson? Needle nose Ned, Ned the Head?
Bill Murray: “I thought you went pro with that belly button thing.”
Great film indeed.
ValuJet said:
December 12th, 2009 at 10:52 am
“just ask Rodney Culver”
I tried but Saint Peter said he was busy letting Brian Piccolo win forty yard dashes..
Woody Bombay said:
December 12th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Harbough stays at Stanford
BEHorn said:
December 12th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
“We’re going to beat you next year with nothing but West Africans, the brothers Acho, Okafor, Reggie Wilson, Patrick Nkwopara, and Garret Gilbert.”
I think you meant Ngarrett Ngilbert.
As far as KU’s next coach, given their recent history with Mangino I would expect the Jayhawks to be very reluctant to offer the job to anyone nicknamed “Tubby”.
Gill, would be my guess.
sizzlechest said:
December 12th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Good guess.
Groundhog Day said:
December 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Espn just reported Gill to Kansas. Gill gets his shot. We shall see if he can recruit and elevate the program to another level.
Scipio Tex said:
December 12th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
http://oreadboomkings.fantake.com/2009/12/12/our-new-coach/
Groundhog Day said:
December 12th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Not sold on this hire. I hope I am proven wrong because he is supposed to be a good guy. But if I’m Kansas I go in another direction.
Sailor Ripley said:
December 12th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
You and Jason Whitlock: http://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/6615855663
Groundhog Day said:
December 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Sailor,
Maybe I should re think my opinion.
Seriously, I think they should have looked at Tuberville, Holtz, or a really hot assistant with a reputation to recruit. Like I said, Gill doesn’t have the greatest reputation as someone who can reel in talent.