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lowery said:
December 10th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Fantastic writeup on La Cucaracha. Fantastic.
I too am enjoying Tcu success. I feel that on this trajectory, it won’t be long before they have transformed their status in cfb for want of a better term.
ransomstoddard said:
December 10th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
TCU couldn’t beat Westlake.
NY Horn said:
December 10th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I think BYU and Utah were a little overrated this year. TCU needs to schedule a marquee name in the regular season instead of a good ACC team. If they were to play in the Big 12 I think they would have been comparable to a Nebraska.
nordberg said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to be a die-hard fan of a team in a non-BCS conference. What do you do? Pray this piece of shit system gets an upgrade, I guess. Otherwise you’re going to stay on the losing end of the stick for a long, long time.
TaylorTRoom said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
12 years ago, TCU recommitted to football excellence, really for the first time since the ’50s. I scoffed then, and am impressed now with how far they have come.
Groundhog Day said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
I agree with NY. Go look at Utah’s schedule and name one team of significance that they beat. It’s pathetic. BYU got absolutely smacked by a very mediocre FSU at home. Do upsets happen? Yes, but smackdowns are pretty telling and BYU just happened to upset OU after an in game injury to the heisman trophy winner. A 5 loss Clemson team lost to a terrible Maryland club and both ACC divisional leaders lost to middle of the row SEC teams at the end of the year and Clemson was dominated. TCU only scored 14 points against that average D. Cincy is more deserving than TCU as they have played a tougher schedule but because their D has been exposed against good competition the media knows they are not worthy.
Should TCU be proud of their year? Absolutely. Do the horny toads play good D? Yes. And I commend TCU because they try to schedule tough opponents as their past and future schedules indicates. But to suggest as most media outlets have been doing that they deserve to be playing Alabama instead of Texas is distorted propaganda to meet certain agendas.
SpiralOut said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I do enjoy how the unwashed masses play right into the mass media’s hands and direct all of their anger at Texas, instead of the BCS like they should be.
Personally, I don’t feel bad for TCU in the slightest. They’ve made no REAL attempt to schedule tough games. Just like Boise, TCU and the rest of the mid-majors talk a big game, but they refuse to do everything it takes to get the respect they (supposedly) so desperately want.
For instance, Utah could have easily scheduled a 2 or 3 game series with us starting back when Meyer was their HC. Instead, Urban admitted Texas was too tough of a match-up and they never inked the deal. Then last year they cried to high heaven when they didn’t get gifted an AP title.
TCU and Boise routinely do the same thing. They cry about how supposedly nobody wants to schedule them, but they refuse to go out on a limb and take tough match-ups that aren’t completely equitable to them.
Listen, if you’re Boise or TCU, not too many major D1 programs are going to want to schedule a home/home with you. It sucks for them because they can schedule an easier team, get them at home, and sell 100,000 tickets to the game. Why in God’s name would they want to come up to your shitty Smurf field and have the game seen by 30,000 people who they get no money from?
If Boise and TCU REALLY cared about boosting their reputation and doing everything they could to get to the title game, they’d be willing to take some less than equitable match-ups to see that it happened. Schedule more than jut one hard game a season. Try two for a change! Or maybe leave off those D2 schools!
Except, the mid-majors don’t REALLY want to do that. Just like Utah, it’s MUCH easier to schedule zero tough games, or to every now and then get one semi-difficult game at home that you can prepare all off-season for (see: Boise v. Oregon), and then coast to an undefeated season and cry about not getting the title game.
TCU’s SOS was pathetic this season. Sadly, Boise’s was infinitely worse. Both those teams get too much pub as it is. I can name about 20 teams that would go undefeated if you stuck them with TCU or Boise’s schedules. Pull either of those teams into a legit conference and they NEVER go undefeated.
Horned Frog fans need to STFU and quit crying about Texas. We all agree that there needs to be a playoff, but nobody is going to care about you until you schedule more than just a shitty Clemson squad and a bunch of cupcakes.
Groundhog Day said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Nordberg,
You schedule traditional powers and if you have to play on the road that’s what you do. In fact, TCU is playing LSU starting in 2012, but because of how weak their conference is you must schedule at least two and maybe 3 traditional powers a year.
If anyone thinks TCU would go undefeated in the SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 or Big 10, they should seriously consider how tough it is to go undefeated and TCU doesn’t possess that kind of talent or depth.
Groundhog Day said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Amen, Spiral!
hoopshookem said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
If TCU is all of a sudden worthy, let them join a conference that’s WAS.
In the days of the SWC Texas scheduled TCU on the opening day of deer season so everyone could go to the deer camp without worry about missing the game.
If something has changed that makes the Horny Toads WAS, it’s their problem for being shipped off th the WAC for being such a POS.
Complain to the brain dead college presidents who give up a 30 day time out in lieu of playoff games being played to prove who is best.
Groundhog Day said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
BTW-Utah attempted to do it last year by scheduling Oregon and Michigan. Unfortunately for them, Oregon lost to Boise and Michigan was absolutely awful and they barely eeked out a win. If Michigan was Rose Bowl good last year, Utah has a real chance to play for it all.
nordberg said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
“You schedule traditional powers and if you have to play on the road that’s what you do.”
Last year Utah was the lone undefeated team, in a year where they beat Alabama and Michigan.
Look, just saying that as a fan of one of these teams it must be pretty fucking hard to take every year, that’s all.
Groundhog Day said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I hear you, Nordberg, but Michigan was terrible. If not, they most likely win the AP Poll.
nordberg said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Put another way… imagine being a huge Boise St. or Utah fan, and when the season begins, you know you have a zero percent chance of winning the NC, even if you go undefeated and every other team in the country has at least one loss. That doesn’t exist anywhere else in any other sport on the planet, that I’m aware of. “Sorry Arizona Cardinals, I know you went 16-0, but the Saints played a much tougher schedule while going 13-3, so they’ll be the NFC rep in the Super Bowl. Sorry.”
Groundhog Day said:
December 10th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
These schools schedule to go undefeated and make the BCS not play in the NC game because dollar signs are involved. If these schools were serious about playing for the NC they would adopt USC’s mantra, anyone, anytime, anywhere. Boise has said they don’t want to schedule teams unless they get a return trip to Boise. Well, if I’m serious about playing for the NC, I schedule LSU, Ohio State, USC, etc.especially with the level of conference competition. I guarantee if they win those games and are undefeated they will be in the mix. Just think how close TCU came this year without having to play anyone of significance.
Comparing the NFL to NCAA football is not apples to apples. There will never be a playoff in college football for numerous reasons. College football would go back to the old bowl system with at large bids (which could favor the little guys if there was a plus one) before going to a playoff.
raoulduke said:
December 10th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
TCU went to Norman and beat up on the Sooners.
Miguel said:
December 10th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
I really don’t care about fans of the other schools not having much hope for a championship. If a Sun Belt conference team went undefeated while TCU finished with one loss would the Frogs think the SB team was more deserving of a title shot? Or why not consider an undefeated Appalachian St team that beats Michigan? Heck an AP voter put a FCS team in their last poll.
Get into a real conference where the talent of even the worst team like Colorado is deeper and more capable of an upset on any given Saturday than 2/3′s of the MWC/WAC/CUSA/MAC/SB teams before you gripe. But understanding that changing conferences is unlikely then use all four of your non-con games against the top quarter of BCS conference teams instead of FCS teams (Texas St) or other mid-major squads (SMU). And win them. Then your whining might not fall on deaf ears.
Take away the fact you had a great season playing a mid-major conference schedule. There’s a lot of pride to be had there. And you probably could get up for big bowl game against a BCS school. With several weeks off to prepare upsets have become commonplace. But that’s a lot different than week end and week out getting it done against BCS conference talent.
Oh, and Froggies, when you had your shot at Texas a few years ago you sucked. In fact, you’ve always sucked against Texas. Until you get it done STFU about being more deserving or better than UT.
CrazyJoeDavola said:
December 10th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
“College football would go back to the old bowl system with at large bids (which could favor the little guys if there was a plus one) before going to a playoff.”
Completely agree with this. Especially since – unlike in basketball – the NCAA is at best merely a partner with the college football post-season.
EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel said:
December 10th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
If TCU is serious about playing with the big boys, they need to convince their conference to concoct some kind of conference championship game. Yes, I know they don’t have 12 teams. But there’s no way they’re going to jump active, winning teams playing conference championship games (even it they’re squeakers) if they are just sitting around like vultures the first weekend in December, waiting for an undefeated team to lose.
13-0 is better than 12-0.
srr50 said:
December 10th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Personally, I don’t feel bad for TCU in the slightest. They’ve made no REAL attempt to schedule tough games.
In the past five years TCU has scheduled Texas Tech, Texas, OU, Stanford, Clemson and Virginia as non-conference opponents.
In the next five years they have Tech, OU, LSU and Arkansas.
CrazyJoeDavola said:
December 10th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“In the next five years they have Tech, OU, LSU and Arkansas.”
He said “tough” games.
(rimshot)
PrimeTime said:
December 10th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
TCU and Boise are like the fat chicks that get invited to the prom. Just be happy that you are invited. Deal with it. All of your players are ones that were not recruited by the likes of Baylor, Aggie,Colorado, and Iowa State. Put that in perspective. Get real TCU. Just be happy you are invited and use that money to build some weight rooms.
SpiralOut said:
December 11th, 2009 at 2:31 am
srr50 — In the past five years TCU has scheduled Texas Tech, Texas, OU, Stanford, Clemson and Virginia as non-conference opponents.
In the next five years they have Tech, OU, LSU and Arkansas.
Tech, other than one season, is never better than 9 wins and a shitty bowl which they’ll inevitably lose. Standford sucks. Clemson sucks. Virginia is just laughable. OU and Texas are legit. Except I guess you missed the part where I said more than ONE tough game a season.
Someone brought up Utah playing Oregon and Michigan and Michigan just happening to suck or whatever. Well, that’s exactly my point. If you make a concerted effort to schedule a multitude of difficult teams year in and year out, then you can’t get burned by a team sucking balls one season and wrecking your schedule. I’m sure Utah would have gotten a TON of respect and a pass for Michigan sucking if they’d had us on the schedule. But they didn’t want that. Why? Because they knew we’d trounce their ass and wreck their shot at cruising to an easy BCS pay-day.
Like I briefly mentioned before, you can’t discount the advantage a team like Utah or TCU has when they have only ONE difficult game on the docket all year long. Texas’ schedule may not be killer, but we’ve always got a rivalry game at a neutral site with OU. We always have a rivalry game with Agric. And we play a legitimate D1 schedule every other week. We don’t get to put shit on cruise control after the RRR. Boise St. probably spent all off-season preparing for Oregon. They sneak in a win over them at home. Then they get to yawn the way through the rest of their 115th worst ranked schedule. Meanwhile, Oregon has to go right back to work for their conference schedule which includes some legitimate teams.
It’s all a joke anyway. The officials at TCU, Utah, and Boise St. don’t give a flying rat’s ass about things being “fair” or giving college football fans what they want to see or anything else. All they want is their easy payday in the BCS. They can easily get that every season now by scheduling a bunch of nobodies. Having zero people watch their shitty conferences and games. And then having a bunch of weeping vaginas in the sports media world rank them ridiculously higher than they deserve to be.
Also, I’m going to just sit here and just have a nice chuckle at the idea that any team QBed by Andy freaking Dalton is a legit title contender. Nice one, Taylor. You should do stand up.
TaylorTRoom said:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:44 am
uhh…Thanks?
bateshorn said:
December 11th, 2009 at 6:33 am
They are definitely trying to improve their OOC schedule, but they need to try even harder. Like Bowden at FSU early on, we will travel to your site. You keep the gate. Just play us. Getting a USC, Texas, Florida, etc. On the schedule evry year, combined with a traditional second tier power like Clemson or Oregon sends a real message.
Bob in Houston said:
December 11th, 2009 at 6:56 am
If Boise and TCU REALLY cared about boosting their reputation and doing everything they could to get to the title game, they’d be willing to take some less than equitable match-ups to see that it happened.
Boise says they’ve offered to be bought for a road game for the opener in 2011, I believe it is, and no one will bite.
It’s somewhat akin to what happens in basketball. Really good mid-majors have a hard time getting games, even away games, against BCS-type schools. The potential loss hurts worse than writing the check.
TaylorTRoom said:
December 11th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Ironically, Bob, UNT would love to play TCU, but can’t get on the schedule.
Bob in Houston said:
December 11th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Yeah, didn’t they used to play in the bad old days?
I was telling a friend, who agreed with me, that your childhood perceptions of a team linger into your adult years. Example… when I first began following baseball, the Red Sox stunk, and I wasn’t a fan of the Red Sox, so there was no historical context. So now, even though they’ve been consistently excellent for several years, I still look at them being competitive with the Yankees as somewhat of a fluke, that they’ll fall back into at least averageness at any time.
So it is with TCU, which was terrible when I was young, and even worse when I was at UT. I can’t shake the idea that this excellent run is a blip on the radar. I freely admit that I could be wrong, and they will continue to be at least competitive from here. But I still think of them as somewhat lucky to be where they are.
Nonetheless, as bad as Baylor has been on the gridiron, I still believe that if Baylor were ejected from the B12 because of its lousy football (as that would be the only reasonable competitive basis for ejecting them at this point), and TCU replaced BU, that TCU quickly would find itself in a similar uncompetitive position. Small fan base, private in a league of publics, and no one like T. Boone who is willing to do anything for athletics.
I realize this has little direct relationship to the topic, and I agree with Taylor that TCU would be a good matchup for any of the championship contenders (including Florida here). It’s just hard to judge them when they’ve been unable to play a good team in n-c. Although, I guess they could ask Boise how playing Oregon worked out for them.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Couple of good resources…
This one confirms that Texas had a higher SOS in every single computer used by the BCS
http://bcscentral.info/sos.html
This second one is an average of over 100 different polls. These include voters as well as computers that do and do not consider MOV. In the average of all these polls TX rank is 2.34 whereas TCU’s is 4.32. See more on that here. http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm
TCU… you have met the enemy. It is NOT us.
Ricky said:
December 11th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Bob,
I think Boise wants a team to pony up a cool million for the privilege of having them come play on the road. That’s just bullsh*t! Then they go whining to the media about how no one wants to play them when in reality no one wants to pay them.
Ag_in_TX said:
December 11th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Andy Dalton’s stats:
2007 – 222 of 371 for 2459 yards (59.8%) 10 TD, 11 INT, 118.48 QBR
2008 – 182 of 307 for 2242 yards (59.3%) 11 TD, 5 INT, 129.19 QBR
2009 – 174 of 279 for 2484 yards (62.4%) 22 TD, 5 INT, 159.59 QBR
WTF is wrong with that?
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Dalton is fine and TCU is a good team. But it is a fair point that playing an entire conference schedule in a real conference (and right now there are only 3 that meet that definition — SEC, Big 12, and PAC-10) is an entirely different experience than that of TCU or Boise State. You play a down A&M team, and Von Miller nails your QB 11 times. You play a down Tech team, and their linebackers lay the lumber on Shipley all game. You play a down Baylor team, for God’s sake (thrown in for any trolling BU fan), and Joe Pawlekeuydk nails your RB 15 time. The attrition from these games is a big factor in late-season performance, and not something that your Boise State/TCU teams ever have to consider or game-plan around.
Ag_in_TX said:
December 11th, 2009 at 8:47 am
You guys criticize TCU’s conference as if it was their choice.
TTR and I discussed this yesterday and I told him even if TCU starts off in the Top 5 and goes undefeated, they will NOT be allowed in the MNC BCS Bowl. The 6 BCS Conferences have set the system up to assure that only two teams from those 6 conferences can meet in that game.
That is the problem with NCAA Division 1 football – half the teams have segregated themselves off and created a bowl game that they call a national championship which is really nothing of the sort. It’s just another bowl game with really GREAT advertising.
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Ag, I don’t disagree with you about the structure of the system. I’m talking merely about the results of the system this year, as manifested by the actual teams. Boise State is a pretender, as is, in large part Cincy. TCU, on the other hand, is a really good team. But it’s tought to say just how good, because they didn’t have to run any kind of gauntlet. And I don’t give credit for beating other mid-majors, so BYU and Utah don’t impress me.
I would love to know how good TCU is and it’s a shame that we never will. I agree with that. But I don’t think that in the current system they have a credible, straight-faced argument to be ranked any higher than they are.
houstonearler said:
December 11th, 2009 at 9:49 am
If TCU goes undefeated, I would guess 50% of the time they would make the MNC game going forward because of all the stink that has been created.
For example, had Texas and Cinci lost, they make it this year. They probably make it this year had Texas lost as Texas was serving as a buffer for Cinci in the computer polls.
They definitely make the title game over a 2 loss LSU team in 2007.
They have probably better shots than most of the BCS conference teams given that it is much easier to go undefeated in a BCS conference than it is in the MWC.
Groundhog Day said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Ghost,
Don’t underestimate the Big 10 even though everyone wants to. While there are no elite teams this year in that conference, TCU would not run the gauntlet of having to play tOSU, Penn State, Iowa, Mich State, etc. Having to play these games every weekend takes its toll. There are no New Mexico’s, Utah States, San Diego States, etc. People forget that a very good Texas team needed a miracle to beat tOSU last year in a bowl game. tOSU gets dogged for losing two NC games. There is no shame in that and all the talent that tOSU puts in the league is proof of what kind of program they are. However, the Big 10 needs Michigan to be good again.
Sugarpants said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:26 am
These teams should be foreced to play each other in an inter-conference championship game to qualify for a BCS bowl.
Toadvine said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Groundhog –
I will give the Big Ten 1/2 legit status. Agreed on Ohio State. The rest of the league, eh, Iowa almost ran the table. Iowa is a 5 loss team in the the other 3 conferences IMO.
The Dog Pound said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:40 am
The problem for match-ups like Texas v TCU is that the risk reward for the BCS team just doesn’t make any sense. Assume we win–big deal we’re the BCS team we are supposed to win If Texas loses its a perpetual media campaign for the non-BCS school. if we happen to play them on the road we lose millions of dollars for the privilege. Trust me, if we lose to TCU they (ESPN et al) would replay the damn highlights incessantly until a playoff actually does happen. Just ask OU.
The fact that TCU is an in state school makes it even worse for us.
Granted its a major catch 22 for the non BCS schools.. We don’t want to play them for fear of losing a spot in the MNC, but then we complain about their weak strength of schedule.
We really need a play-off system.
Ricky said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I hate the argument that a mid-major can’t control their conference affiliation when it comes to picking the teams to play in the MNC. While it may be true that teams don’t have the ability to jump conferences easily it doesn’t change the fact that they are getting a much easier ride in terms of competition. Add to it all the media hype that pushes these programs up the pecking order undeservedly and we will one day end up watching TCU and Boise State play for the national championship with neither having faced a ranked team.
TCU doesn’t deserve a shot just because they are good. There are a lot of good teams. TCU has to find a way to prove it belongs by finding better competition. TCU has to be punished for playing in a conference with teams like New Mexico, Utah State, and San Diego State. This is especially true if their non-conference slate doesn’t have four BCS conference foes of some note. They also shouldn’t get bonus points for beating BYU, Utah, or Air Force unless those teams are also winning against an OOC slate full of opponents from the major conferences.
Ricky said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:46 am
The real problem is that FBS is too big. It needs to drop about half the teams and not allow anyone to play a non-FBS team. The quality of play goes up, the number of pretenders acting like they deserve the whole enchilada goes down. Then add a playoff and everyone looks back at the first 100+ years of college football and shakes their heads at the idiocy of it all.
BevosBoss said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:53 am
SpiralOut said: but nobody is going to care about you until you schedule more than just a shitty Clemson squad and a bunch of cupcakes.
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Oh the irony…….
Capt. Obvious said:
December 11th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Until TCU/Boise/Utah schedules a BCS team in every OOC slot they have, they’re not trying. In fact, until they do that, everything that everyone says about them is true.
If they did that, guess what, their schedule would look somewhat like a legitimate schedule rather than playing the game of “HA! We upset SO-AND-SO, can we haz national title!?”
Sure, they make a lot of noise, but they’re not trying to go all the way.
hodad said:
December 11th, 2009 at 11:03 am
If the MWC wants to get serious about getting their due (and they are due) they need to expand, full stop. Boise State wants in already. Add them, and two of Houston, Nevada, or Fresno State and you have a 12 team conference that is flat out better than the Big East and arguably better than the ACC, and some years better than the Big 10 and/or Pac 10. If that happens and the BCS refuses to admit the MWC, the Feds would be well justified trust-busting the BCS.
Still, for those of you who think TCU just needs to go out and schedule several marquee teams if they want to make the MNC game, real life scheduling is not like NCAA Football 2010 on the XBox. Marquee teams not only have no incentive but have a a negative incentive in playing dangerous OOC opponents, and nothing to gain from them. Any football program in the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, or ACC is going to go to MNC game regardless of who they played on their OOC schedule. The only upsides to playing strong OOC games are blooding your players against solid teams instead of cupcakes and any poll movement benefits you might get in case of a tie (like OU got last year). That’s not nearly enough to offset the risk of a loss and certainly not enough to agree to a home-and-home and lose that home game revenue you could get by playing some directional state school instead.
Tim said:
December 11th, 2009 at 11:30 am
“They need to enlist the media’s help in stopping Texas Tech from dropping them from the schedule. Come on, Red Raiders, keep the game! It’s in Lubbock, for crying out loud.”
For the record it was TCU that backed out of the Texas Tech game, not Texas Tech. ABC approached Texas Tech to move the UT game to September the date Tech was supposed to play TCU. Tech of coursed moved it for the prime time slot and the money, and asked TCU to move the game, TCU had an open date that would fit Tech, but TCU refused to move the game to accommodate Tech vs. Texas.
If TCU really wanted to play Texas Tech they could have, but they don’t want to face Tech’s 2010 squad, so they bumped the game to 2011 when Tech losses more starters.
jay said:
December 11th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Gotta be frustrating to be Boise St. They handled and frustrated Oregon in that game. It was ugly and terrible to watch (outside of peoples getting Blounted). That win has been thrown out, forgotten and locked away by the media. TCU is the crowd favorite and their message boards and fans have been sipping the juice. I think they have a great squad and have enjoyed watching them, however, the mentality they have going in to their bowl game will lead them to a loss. Boise has been there and done that and even though they are the weaker team, IMO they come prepared, silent and ready to pounce. Boise wins the game.
Ag_in_TX said:
December 11th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Tim, you ignorant slut – you are flat wrong. TCU did not have an open date to accomodate moving that game – not until the MWC conference schedule is finalized anyway. So Tech responded: “Oh fook – too bad – Weber State it is!”
TCU did not back out – Tech told TCU they could not play on the date they agreed upon.
Groundhog Day said:
December 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
USC’s mantra is to schedule anyone, anytime, anywhere. Bobby Bowden built Florida State into a power by scheduling bigger programs and did so by having to travel to get games. If these schools are serious about playing the big boys they will travel to do so. The only team that has consistently done this is Fresno State as they normally schedule strong BCS conference teams for every out of conference game. Do other teams schedule teams from BCS conferences? Of course, but you better schedule more than one and one of those should be a big boy.
To suggest that an expanded MWC is on par with the Pac 10, ACC, Big 10 or Big 12 is laughable. Because of talent and depth these teams can’t compete on weekly basis. Can they win one game for which they prepare? Sure, but ask Brian Kelly as he recently weighed in on this very subject. Ask Fresno State as they are usually worn down after having to play a tough OOC schedule when conference play begins.
Miguel said:
December 11th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“And then having a bunch of weeping vaginas in the sports media world rank them ridiculously higher than they deserve to be.”
It is pretty moist in Fort Worth these days, isn’t it?
BCS conference schools like Kansas St, Wisconsin, Auburn, etc. have been penalized countless times over the years for playing nobody’s in their non-conference schedule. They’ve also had undefeated and/or 1-loss records, exactly like NC game finalists, and not been in the NC themselves – their SoS sucked. Somehow TCU/Boise St now are discriminated against?
Look, the K States get penalized for playing 2-3 teams from your mid-major conferences one FCS school (just like TCU), with their conference games against teams far better than Utah/BYU. Under the current system no way a mid-major without all 3-4 non-con games against solid BCS teams will EVER deserve to beat out an undefeated BCS conference winner to a NC game, BCS bowl game. Heck, even a one-loss BCS team has a more legit claim to a BCS bowl game than an undefeated mid-major. Get to a playoff, I’m all for it. Until then, I repeat, STFU!
Putt said:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Yo Miguel! Your ignorant, biased, and probably have not even seen TCU play. And if you have seen them play then you are a poor judge of football. Did you see the number of AP, coaches, and Harris voters that voted them #2, #3, or #4? It was about 99% of them. I think many of those guys are biased too but at least most of them take their vote seriously and do a little homework.
It’s the same old crap from guys like you. Last year remember reading all the Bama guys saying how slow Utah and TCU looked and that they would stomp them. How they hadn’t played anyone and they didn’t have any depth. Then when Utah bitch slapped them on national TV they all said they were down from the Florida loss and they didn’t have their big OT (who was suspended). Depth? It is always the same. Join a good conference–yeah that’s easy. Maybe TCU will just become the 13th member of the SEC next year because they want to.
Now the crap is “they are capable of beating anyone” in a one game situation. So they play someone and win and either it’s “well they aren’t any good this year” or “it was a fluke and they wouldn’t win but 1 out of 10 times.”
TCU and Boise State are real good football teams that will have almost everyone back next year. Unfortunately they won’t be able to go schedule Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, and USC for their OOC games as many suggest. By the way, if they could do that, they would all have to be on the road because none of those guys want any part of playing them on the road.
You guys act like winning at AFA on a frozen field with 11 degree weather when AF scored a TD with under two minutes left to make it a three point game is somehow not good. Hell Alabama won by 2 vs TN (partially) because TN wasted a bunch of time and settled for a long FG that got blocked was some kind of great victory over a great team? It goes both ways buddy. Anyone, I don’t care who they play, that goes undefeated in college football is doing something right. That ain’t easy to do.
TCU is going to beat BSU and, although most won’t admit it, it will be a great win and a more difficult one that Iowa, Cincinnati, or GT would be. They will have 17 starters back and “should” be ranked in the top 5 going into next season. And you know what, it doesn’t matter who they play because they are good. And, if they are that good they will play someone good at the end of the season. And if they win–well, we know what idiots like you will say!
LongHornedFrog said:
December 12th, 2009 at 9:23 am
TTR– Thanks for the insightful write-up.
As someone with a leg in each camp, I understand the Frog frustration, but believe focusing ire on Texas as the evildoer is misplaced. The BCS cabal is the enemy.
Without reliving the SWC’s demise that sent TCU, as a small private school with very poor football performance at the time, searching for a spot in various mid-major conferences, the blame lies with a system that limits the opportunity to play for the Mythical NC to those who “win” their BCS conference championship.
TCU is to be congratulated for how far they have come. In my days in Fort Worth, “2,4,6,8; score before we graduate” was a legit cheer. Sooo, go Horns and Horned Frogs. Both win their bowls and then we will see what happens in the next decade of big time football. Media, money, and meddling by Congress will determine the future more than in-state infighting.
trkhorn said:
December 12th, 2009 at 10:56 am
What sugarpants said. I think it’s fair to compare ours and TCU’s 12-0 seasons. When you factor in the fact that we played and won the Big 12 CCG, there’s no doubt we deserve to be in ahead of TCU, Boise and Cincy. What if TCU had beat the crap out of Boise in a WAC/MWC “championship” game, vs. our one-point squeaker? Then you would have real controversy. Now we get to see this game anyway in the Fiesta Bowl and it won’t really mean much.
innocent bystander said:
December 12th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
geez louweez
all this “we’re Texas, dammit” is geting a little hollow.
parity is here dudes.
Putt mentioned Utah’s de-pantsing of the Tidies. Dont forget Boise staring down the swooners the year before.
USC is now a 2nd tier team. ND and Michigan flat out suck and I have a feeling Oregon will
finally convince most of us Ohio St. has been overrated for almost a decade.
TCU could easily be the best team in the country.
but the reality is……………..
“its the money dammit”
Groundhog Day said:
December 13th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Innocent,
The point is that the media has gone out of their way to say TCU belongs in the big game instead of Texas when the numbers say otherwise. TCU had a great year, but to suggest they are more deserving under the current structure is just not true.
Boise beat an OU team that backed into a the Big 12 CG, but it was Hawaii that got destroyed by Georgia 2 years ago. USC has one average year and now they are a 2nd tier team? tOSU overrated? Take a look at the talent that school currently as in the NFL. These two statements are hilarious.
Yes, parity is here due to scholarship limitations, but TCU should schedule a tougher out of conference schedule.
A playoff will never happen so people should get over talking about it. You could make the argument that the current BCS system is more unfair than the Old Bowl system. The old bowl system allowed teams like FSU and Miami to build powerhouse programs without conference affiliation. Also, BYU won a NC under the old bowl system. TCU would still have a chance to win the title under the old bowl system. Since there will be no playoff, college ball should either go back to old bowl system or a modification of it with a plus one.
innocent bystander said:
December 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
hmmmm
that talent in the NFL didnt come close to winning an NC. The trophy doesnt go well with 50′s frat boy sleevless sweaters.
and yes, I agree it is hilarious,. The last time I looked USC was a second tier team.
anything else from the rocking chair?
BTW
get Bevo to scratch that itch. Someone else above used that line from unforgiven. TCU has more talent at more positions than UT. I also think that is hilarious.
Groundhog Day said:
December 13th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Give me whatever it is you’re smoking.
tOSU won a national title this decade and played for two others and just won another Big ten title and is playing in the Rose Bowl.
USC finished in the top 5 every year since 2002, won every pac 10 title during that time period, won 2 NC, played for another. Because they had an 8-4 season after this tremendous run hardly makes them a second tier program.
More talent? That’s a laugh, go back to railhead and have another.
innocent bystander said:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
you need whatever it is I’m smoking.
you say OSU… “played” ….for 2 natonal titles? coulda fooled me and the rest of the nation.
and those big 10 championships are probably worth less now than a MWC.
take another hit
8-4 makes you barely a 2nd tier program. What they did before wont get you a cherry coke down at whataburger or even a blowjob on Sunset Blvd.
you must be a history major???? lotta money in that too
yojimbox said:
December 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I made a lot of money from TCU this college season, mainly because they were blowing out the most atrocious teams I’ve ever seen. I mean, they were scoring pretty much at will. AT WILL. It was beautiful to see from a better’s perspective. Not sure, but I think there was only once when they didn’t cover their giant 30-40-plus favorite lines. Basically, the teams they were playing sucked that much.
yojimbox said:
December 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
By the way innocent bystander, you’re a fucking retard if you think USC is a ‘second-tier’ school and tOSU has been overrated for 10 years or however many you were saying. Man, get your head out of your ass. I love that TCU is winning and winning big year in and year out, it allows me to bet on them almost every week cause of the godawful shitty competition they play LMAO. It’s fine to be a homer, dude, but when it makes you look like a fucking retard, it’s time to reel it back, bro.
BevoDan said:
December 15th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Having been to the ‘Deathstar”, aka Cowboys Stadium, I’d rather play TCU @ Amon Carter Stadium.
Hook ‘em