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uthookem said:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Over/under on Suh sacks during the televised portion of the festivities is 3.5.
nordberg said:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Colt is going to piss his pants when he sees Suh, like the little kid at the end of “Ransom” looking at Gary Sinise.
CloseToJumping said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Mark Ingram, a Sophomore, is going to win it and he might not even be the starter on his own team next season. Ridiculous. Dude had a solid year running the ball and was benched against his rival in favor of the backup. Spare me the hip pointer nonsense. Those generally longer than an 8 day recovery to be at 100% and I watched the game. He was benched.
One other thing, while I am at, don’t be a stupid fuck and come on here with the nonsensical “Good for Ingram, I hope he wins it. That benefits us when we play them.” bullshit. It does not benefit us. Heismans benefit us. If it makes you feel better to say that, go mouthbreathe it into the face of some random imbecile at a bar with an SEC t-shirt on.
dedfischer said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
That Ingram dude doesn’t suck. Maybe not a Heisman winner, but he’s got talent.
TrunkOfLolly said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
I would take your opinions alot more seriously if the stench of abject fail didn’t follow you like a dog to it’s own vomit, CTJ.
Pretty much, look back at the numbers. You win a Heisman, and your team loses. I doubt you know anything about a little thing called “regressive analysis” so you wouldn’t undertand that would you? The same way you don’t seem to know shit about CFB(see your own “mudhole” articles) or about law (your undrstanding of divorce law was laughable at best).
CloseToJumping said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
No shit he doesn’t suck. I didn’t type or intimate that he did. It still doesn’t change the fact that he’s going to be splitting time with Richardson next year and may not even be the starter.
CloseToJumping said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
TruckOfLolly–
The abject fail you smell is spiraling upwards from your own prepubescent loins. Your inability to fathom such things as irony, sarcasm, or the concepts of causation and correlation fallacies is matched only by your apparent talent in stalking other Internet posters.
If you really are dumb enough to believe that because a player wins the Heisman, his team is doomed to lose, you really have set a new low in the world of random Internet postings.
And when you typed “regressive analysis”, I can only hope that you meant “regression analysis”. I hope you honestly didn’t have to actually attempt one of those instead of simply looking at the list of Heisman winners and thinking “man, a lot of them there Heisman winners wind up losing in their bowl games”. Do you also believe that nobody beats Ohio State in the Shoe at night? The Tooth Fairy? That Tim Tebow “just wins football games”? The SI jinx?
Sailor Ripley said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Obvious said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Troll Is obvious.. ROFLCopter.
dedfischer said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
He looks like a motherfucker to tackle to me and sees more loaded box than Bourbon Street every week.
NY Horn said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
What’s funny is that Suh had very good numbers heading into our game, but nowhere the numbers to get invited to NY. I think he doubled up his season stats in one game against us. If he wins, Chris Hall should expect a Hallmark card in the mail from Suh thanking him for his suckitude.
Toadvine said:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Ingram is good. The point is that he is not Heisman good. Suh should win it. But because he won’t, Colt has a really good shot at a long overdue lifetime achievement award. Frankly, I think it’ll make him play better. He’s not a chip on the shoulder guy.
parlin said:
December 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Nebraska has Suh’s highlights from the game up here, mostly shot from an end-zone camera:
http://www.suh93.com/
Scipio Tex said:
December 7th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Thanks, parlin. That guy moves incredibly well.
The end zone angle is a great way to view the futility of our blocking schemes too. Suh was pretty much designed to destroy our absurd reach blocking.
TheHeismanIsAJoke said:
December 7th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Colt isn’t winning the award. And I doubt Ingram is either.
Right now, StiffArmTrophy.com has Gerhart in the lead with Suh and Ingram tied for 2nd. Colt is bringing up the rear (except for the Penis Cutting Crybaby) in 4th w/ a projected 30% of the vote.
And while I don’t believe in curses or ridiculous statistical trends (like every time Miami beats FSU, Oklahoma beats Texas for the past 15 years which we debunked this season), I do think there is something to winning the Heisman and winning your bowl game.
Does anyone think Vince plays with such a chip on his shoulder in the title game if he wins in a landslide over Bush?
Young kids feed off of emotion and they aren’t robots that do exactly what they’re supposed to and think exactly how they should think. Winning the Heisman and having everyone pat you on the back for a month while you attend a ton of banquets instead of being out of the practice field putting in blood, sweat, and tears to get better probably affects your play.
It really doesn’t matter for us, though. Our offensive line single handedly got Suh to New York and screwed Colt out of a sure thing. Just like Blake Gideon screwed Colt out of a sure Heisman last season. See, that’s why the award is a joke anyway regardless of whom they give the award to.
Football is in every facet of the game a team sport. Drew Brees could look like the most inaccurate passer in the history of the game if his receivers never caught the ball. Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson wouldn’t even be a blip on the radar if their offensive lines let 3-4 defender run completely unopposed in the backfield every play.
These guys invited to New York all got there not on the backs just of their own play, but on the backs of their teammates, coaches, schedules, etc.
Ingram is an afterthought if he plays for a middling ACC team instead of being on an undefeated SEC squad. Suh is considered a great player, but he wouldn’t have gotten a sniff of Heisman talk if not for playing in the pathetic Big 12 North, getting to rumble our even more pathetic O-line on national television, and playing in such a great scheme under a great defensive coach at Nebraska.
Individual awards in team sports are beyond stupid. I’ll take the crystal trophy and the respect of being a champion any day of the week over a worthless piece of junk like the Hypesman.
CloseToJumping said:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Random HeismanIsAJoke poster whose posting style would never seem familiar to me in a million years–
You can do what you want with the Heisman, but it adds to the prestige, mystique and perception of the programs that collect them whether you value that or not. That leads to recruiting value. It also leads to general value within the voting public, the buying public, and the rooting public. Those 4 things tend to affect my personal gamewatching/program following experience. It is an accretive component for any program that has players winning it.
You are tilting at windmills by continuing to lament its irrelevance. It isn’t as if my day is changed much by who wins it, but I do follow it, as you do, when it is announced. Even the casual CFB fan pays attention to it.
As to the whole causation thing, all of the players and coaches wind up heading to banquets during the month of preparation, especially once they reach the host city. They spend time in Orlando for the various other awards. The backpatting for Alabama, the entire program, is in full swing whether or not Ingram wins the award. And Vince played in that game to win it whether he’d been given the Heisman, $100million, or a small sovereign nation. I guess Matt Leinart didn’t because he had won it, and the national title, the year before? Right.
Seattle Husker said:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Man…Suh had Hall playing on roller skates all night. The boy is strong and quick.
jinx said:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
I’ll play….
The heisman has turned into a joke for a number of reasons, the fact that Colt may have lost it for a poor showing in his last game (while Ingram got his out of the way against his biggest rival a game earlier) is one of the primary reasons. That said, I definitely want Colt to win and think he should.
There seems to be no definition for the Heisman, just a bunch of theories for what the criteria is. Vince lost to Bush, because his highlights were less worthy or some shit. I’m fine with the Heisman being a career achievement award. Why can’t it be? There is little doubt that Colt has done the most possible with his time as QB at Texas. He took over for a legend and became a legend himself. Good luck to Brantley at UF in accomplishing that.
Ingram will probably win because he was the focal point of Bama’s destruction of UF. But RBs like him are a dime a dozen. He is a talented RB behind a well coached OL in an offense that emphasizes the run. No more, no less.
I’ll go ahead and head off the comments about Colt being a system QB and say that the pressure that comes with that position at Texas combined with our “offensive scheme” make that theory easy to dispute.
ChrisApplewhite said:
December 7th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Colt doesn’t deserve it this year. Plain as that. But he did deserve it last year, and since this year’s candidates are wholly underwhelming, I say give the damn thing to Colt for last season.
java said:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
It is just possible that enough voters cast their votes before this weekend to tip the scales in Colt’s favor. I’m only certain that no player seemed to truly distinguish himself each and every week this year. With a 12 game season, that may never happen again.
In a year in which there appears to be no clear frontrunner, I find it difficult to believe that an underclassman will be selected. Why is an underclassman more deserving than someone who has proven himself for 4 years?
cincinnatus said:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
“It is just possible that enough voters cast their votes before this weekend to tip the scales in Colt’s favor.”
I heard on the radio this morning that only 10% of the voters had submitted their votes before Saturday’s games. Voting is now online, so there is no need to mail it in early.
If Colt doesn’t win the Heisman, blame Dan Buckner. Yes, that’s right, Dan Buckner. Despite Colt looking like a palsy-footed shoplifter being chased by Paul Blart, Mall Cop, because he spent all night behind an offensive line that provided less resistance than the crusty Tijuana-made condom that’s been in Tim “I’m still a virgin” Tebow’s wallet lo these many years, a 99-yard, 4th-quarter drive to win a conference championship would’ve redeemed Colt and provided the signature moment he needed to claim the award over a host of mediocre competition. And that moment was in Colt’s grasp, until Buckner lost his. That INT (a good pass that was entirely Buckner’s fault) ended what little hope Colt had of salvaging the award.
The Heisman is gone. DeLoss & Co. will have to cook up some other justification for retiring #12 five years from now.
House of Spears said:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Colt deserves the Heisman for simply getting the ball out of the UT endzone in the 4th quarter after Goodwin’s slip. The way that Nebraska D (and Texas O-line) was rolling, any other QB in the country would have lost the game on that drive with a safety. McCoy to Shipley again and the Horns walk off the field victorious.
Sugarpants said:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I am with Chris Applewhite. It would tarnish the trophy for Colt not to win it once in his remarkable career.
And Ingram is a really good running back… but his numbers for the entire season match what Ricky Williams did in about a five game stretch in 98. And he has fewer rushing TDs than Tebow.
CrazyJoeDavola said:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:21 am
I can totally understand if some don’t care whether Colt wins or not, based on how arbitrary the award is … and really always has been. It’s not like there was some halcyon days of yore when the Heisman didn’t see shenanigans. Most famously, Paul Hornung won in 1956 while playing for a team that went 2-8. That team? Hey, lookit that: Notre Dame, of course. So this bit about how the Heisman race has “become” corrupt is b.s.
That said, the people who are actively saying they want Colt to NOT win the award are completely mystifying, especially when that’s paired with some sort of mystical voodoo about how Heisman winners are doomed to fail in their next endeavor, or the pros, or whatever.
It’s a major award! Not like a giant lady’s leg lamp, but still. Like CTJ said, it reflects well on the Texas program if Colt wins, and it doesn’t hurt at all when it comes to fund-raising, recruiting, staffing, etc. Not to mention that winning it means that some CGI artist will get some work when we have to change our GMAPB intro.
zzzizzzy said:
December 8th, 2009 at 4:44 am
This will be the 3rd Heisman that Greg Davis has managed to rip from the hands of an otherwise deserving Longhorn quarterback.
Way to go Greg. Your game plans transcend to stink-up even the off-of-the-field competitions.
Phenomenal Smith said:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Over/under on Suh sacks during the televised portion of the festivities is 3.5.
I just saw this. And laughed.
Phenomenal Smith said:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:19 am
The award means nothing if Danario Alexander isn’t in the mix. Since he wasn’t invited, I hope Gordie Lockbaum finally wins it.
StatsAreForLosers said:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:08 am
I am going to take the bait…
I am a Longhorn fan, but there is no limit to your abject homerism if you think Colt McCoy should win the Heisman. I would like for Colt to win it because it looks good for the school.
But in no way does Colt deserve to win the Heisman. He has been a big bag of fail in every single big game this year and the Heisman is not a lifetime achievement award.
If it were, who do you think get the nod, Colt or Tebow? I know that Tebow is overrated but the people that vote for this deal in perception.
By no means of voting does Colt deserve the Heisman.
Art Vandelay said:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:44 am
HJ,
When specifically were the ballots due from the voters?
David Greene said:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Give it to Colt!
David Pollack said:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Suh!
HenryJames said:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Art,
By 5pm on Dec. 7.
Bob in Houston said:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:55 am
I heard the ballots were due Sunday.
Gene Claude said:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Chase Daniel!
JUICE said:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:41 am
The AM radio guys in Austin this morning suggested that McCoy is your Heisman winner if Kirkendoll catches the pass. I agree. Which tells you how ridiculous the whole thing is (yes, I want him to win; no, I don’t think he will).
Hornlow said:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am
CrazyJoeDavola-
I got your “A Christmas Story” obscure reference and laughed so loud it startled the 3 cubicles around me. “It’s a major award!” “Frah-gee-lay. Must be Italian.”
Does Colt necessarily deserve to win the Heisman for his accomplishments this season? No.
Do I still want him to win it to improve our program and somehow make amends for last season? Hell yeah!
CurrentLonghornStudent said:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Ingram isn’t even the best running back in the NCAA, and his candidacy wasn’t even serious until halfway through the season. The success of his platoonmates hints that maybe it’s the Alabama offensive line that deserves a trip to NYC more than he does. What a joke.
Art Vandelay said:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Are they paper ballots or can they vote electronically? If it’s paper Colt wins (IMO) because they probably sent them overnight on Friday or Saturday for Monday delivery. If electronic then all bets are off.
I’m imagining an IVR that says press (1) for Colt McCoy, press (2) for the Stanford kid with the huge chin, etc…. maybe Billy Sims is used to record the voice prompts.
CloseToJumping said:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:58 am
StatsAreForLosers–
How dare you accuse a group of posters on specific team’s blogboard of abject homerism! It’s unseemly, sir!
HenryJames said:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:12 am
We are being disrespected by the media! Anti-Texas bias!
StatsAreForLosers said:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:24 am
CTJ-
A certain level of homerism is expected on a specific team’s blogboard.
But there are limits.
Anyone that dares say that Colt McCoy deserves the Heisman is practicing
blatant, defenseless, delusional homerism, a trait typically characteristic of Aggies.
He wasn’t even the most dominant player on the field Saturday, much less the nation.
All I am saying is that a few people need to change their statements from “he deserves”
to “I want him to win”. Hell, I want him to win if for no other reason than it heps recruiting.
It is fine to be a homer but don’t be a delusional homer, or risk fighting bouts of Gig Em.
Vasherized said:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:38 am
They should give it to Vince.
number2 said:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Colt was invited to the damn ceremony, so there must be some kind of national Texas homerism going on here.
Savage Henry said:
December 8th, 2009 at 10:15 am
if that tard kirkendoll catches a gift colt finishes with 225 1 td and 2 int’s and a good 11 pt. win. also, i don’t have to drink myself to sleep in uptown and drive back to austin with puke in my hair.
Toadvine said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:00 am
“Nebraska has Suh’s highlights from the game up here, mostly shot from an end-zone camera:”
Wow. I just watched the highlights parlin posted the link to. How can we possibly expect that running scheme to work? We take huge, fat linemen, and ask them to sprint towards the sidelines while playing paddycake with a much quicker defensive linemen, in the hopes that a gap magically opens up? That is the worst idea ever. If we are going to run that scheme then we need quicker, more athletic linemen. Or, we need to run downhill and blow people backwards. But to take downhill linemen and make them embarrass themselves while reach blocking and rolling is too stupid for words.
BatesHorn said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:01 am
In all likelihood, if Kirkendoll catches that pass, NU probably buckles and we put another 3-7 on in addition to that touchdown, cover the spread, and, as previously mentioned, Colt get’s a career service Heisman. With Tebow and McCoy out, the committee will probably give it to Ingram out of laziness.
dedfischer said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Those blocking schemes were the worst I’ve ever witnessed gamplanned against a good DL. They were designed to self-implode. But, maybe the good that will all come of it is the right guy will win it.
NY Horn said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Deserving is relative, nobody really does this year. Colt deserves it much more than who is going to win it – Ingram. He’ll be the worst fucking Heisman winner ever.
HenryJames said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:24 am
The play at 1:30 was fascinating. Huey is set to pass block until Hall pushes him out of the way. Suh then goes by Hall and throws McCoy like a discus. Watch it.
Scipio Tex said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:28 am
NY Horn -
Not even close. I can assure you.
Sailor Ripley said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Savage Henry – Great stuff.
HenryJames – That clip at 1:30 is so fucking funny I started crying. He’s right. It must be seen to be believed:
http://www.suh93.com/videos/suhtexas.flv
StatsAreForLosers said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:34 am
NY Horn-
You’ve got some splainin’ to do…
Please tell me how Colt deserves it over Ingram this year?
You mean by the way Ingram played his best in the biggest game of the season and Colt was a liberal interpretation on clock rules away from literally throwing the game away. Or was it the Oklahoma game? You can run out numbers on all the scrubs they have played if you want, but I am not interested in hearing about them. The two most important games of the year he was a big bag of fail. Alabama’s most important game, Ingram played like a beast.
And truth be told, neither deserve the award over Suh.
NY Horn said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
There’s just nothing special about Ingram. If he broke his leg the first week, Bama rolls anyway. If he plays in our system, he averages 1.8 yds/carry and 40 yards a game. There are probably 20 RB’s in CFB who you could plug into their system and get the same stats.
If you give the Heisman to Ingram (which is going to happen) you might as well give it to their O-line, which is much more deserving.
NY Horn said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
I realize Colt has played like ass in the two games where we needed him the most, but without him we lose 2 to 3 games this year, easily. How many other QB’s could you plug into our fucking banana republic led system to go undefeated? A lot of our offense is predicated on Colt pulling plays out of his ass.
Also, no QB is going to do well with what Colt was given against Nebraska, he was lucky to survive.
I see two teams who are undefeated: one because they play great defense and they have a sound if not unspectacular offense which doesn’t turn the ball over and does a good job of eating clock; the other also has a great defense and has an offense which makes all kinds of errors and is completely unsound schematically, but gets it done on the back of their QB, who is responsible for practically everything on that side of the ball.
magnusbleuveigner said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Watching the link from parlin I’m reminded of Nicolas Cage squiriming in his chair watching that snuff film in 8mm.
Yes, I saw that shitty movie.
As far as the Heisman being prestigous for a school I agree, however lack of winners hasn’t seemed to hurt Bama.
Sailor Ripley said:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
I’m not making a case for Colt to win it but considering the big bag of suck he was handed in terms of scheme, protection, running game support, etc. goes along way toward explaining many of his struggles. Hell, we had O Line guys knocking each other over.
dedfischer said:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I think things could improve quickly with Snow at his natural position of center. Tray Allen is a better athlete than anyone in the starting lineup right now, and maybe put Walters next to him at LT. You might actually be able to zone block to the side. I haven’t made up my mind on Huey. Some good, a lot of bad. Hix is serviceable as a RT. Having Tanner, Hall, and Huey lined up next to each other creates a huge inversed-blackhole once the ball is snapped. Timing is virtually impossible to establish on any play.
StatsAreForLosers said:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
NY Horn-
I actually think you can plug most starting FBS quarterbacks in for Colt and get the same results with the exception of Zac Lee, Chris Todd, Johnathon Crompton.
How difficult is it for those guys to throw a 5 yard slant or bubble screen? Really?
Sailor Ripley-
I completely agree that the scheme and protection have been horrid. While I cant speak to the protection, which is inexcusable. Have you ever thought that the scheme that Greg Davis is using is predicated by Colts shortcomings, middling arm and doesn’t read multiple routes.
With all that said. I think Colt is a great person and I wish him nothing but the best. Heck, my 9 year old little brother was in Austin with my folks and they ran into Colt. Without solicitation Colt gave my little brother some shirt that the players get for good plays or something like that. I will always think he is a genuinely good human being.
For that reason alone, I want him to win the Heisman.
Just saying we need to be honest with ourselves as to why we are rooting for him to win it..
Gene Claude said:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
The problem with NYHorn’s argument is this: The Heisman is, was, and forever shall be very context dependent. If we are going to try to remove context, who knows who the best college football player was? Combining the lack of reasonable context independent stats, ridiculously unbalanced schedules and hugely uneven media exposure makes the Heisman almost impossible to award to the best college football player. Maybe we should let Todd McShay and Mel Kiper pick the winner.
Yes, Ingram’s production was dependent on his context (conservative offensive game plan, good o-line), as was Colt’s (poor scheme, etc….although I think the fans of any given team tend to severely overrate the coach staff’s failures). As was Vince Young’s, and Reggie Bush’s. And Archie Griffin’s. And every other winner, ever.
I’m hoping Suh wins, if for no other reason than the uniqueness of factor.
Burnt Orange Wookiee said:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Every year in which there isn’t one or two truly deserving guys, they should give a retrospective and apologetic Heisman. Starting with Vince Young.
NY Horn said:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
For me there are two rationales you can use for the award: you are a singularly dominant talent (Suh, Gerhart?), or you are the MVP of one of the best teams in CFB (McCoy).
I would be fine with it if Suh wins, he’s a spectacular talent. It’s hard to argue McCoy’s case over his. I’m only arguing McCoy vis a vi Ingram. I don’t see how Ingram fits in either of those rationales. To me he’s merely the most visible offensive player on the team that won the SEC.
In the years to come I wouldn’t be surprised if “most visible player on the team that won the SEC” doesn’t become the main standard by which Heismans are awarded.
I also wasn’t really hurt last year that Bradford won, I thought he was just as deserving as McCoy and all you could do really was to flip a coin to choose between them.
Gene Claude said:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Personally, I think you are signficantly underselling Ingram’s performance this season. The fact that Trent Richardson is really good is not a criticism of Mark Ingram. If anything, the fact that Ingram was outstanding enough to maintain a full time job all year with Richardson breathing down his neck is a feather in his cap, not a reason to diminish his accomplishments.
I understand the point about him, though. I think that point could be made with almost all college running backs (god knows you could have put me in some Nebraska/Oklahoma backfields and I would have gained 1400 yards), and a good many quarterbacks…which brings me back to my context point. It is impossible to determine individual performance/skill apart from its context in college football. There are so few apples-to-apples comparisons available.
I realize it is heresy around here, but it looked to me like Colt could have been replaced with about a dozen quarterbacks this year and garnered Texas the same lofty record. Same with Tebow. I guess if we are going down this “replacement” path, Suh is the clear winner. He could only have been replaced by a living Reggie White or some sort of Higgs boson powered intergalactic device.
Bighornfan32 said:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
NYHorn brings up a good point. It really is sad how much we’ve hamstrung Colt his whole career. Game after game, he improvises after the routes break off, and these are usually the biggest gains. Combine awful playcalling with awful OL play and you get what is probably going to happen, Colt being robbed of a Heisman by his inept supporting cast.
StatsAreForLosers- You couldn’t be more wrong about Colt. Our offense, save the screen passes, relies on Colt being incredibly accurate and quick thinking. You put someone like Crompton back there, and he’d have 25 INTs. Thats not to mention all that Colt does with his legs.
Because of this, I sure hope Gilbert’s accuracy is as good as it was in high school. Or else it might be a long year next year.
CloseToJumping said:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
StatsAreForLosers–
I am sorry, man, but that is one of the most uninformed posts I’ve seen in regard to just plugging another QB into the system and watching him go. He’s one of the best college football QBs in any given season, including this one. I’ve watched 30-40 games per weekend over the past 8 years and I’m using that context with that post. You can’t name 5 QBs in D-1 this year that would perform at his level. Klausen, Pike or Collaros, maybe Locker. The rest, please. Tebow? Stull? McElroy? Pryor? Yates? Ponder? Snead? Mallett? Please.
We’ve had a guy that every other BCS school could field on any given Saturday play for a Greg Davis coached offense. His name was Chance Mock and the performance data is there to support what we all witnessed with our own eyes. Outside of him, Davis has been blessed with physical freaks in Simms and VY and film jockeys/future coaches like Applewhite and McCoy.
Toadvine said:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Suh should win. If the question is “who was the best college football player at any position this year?” then the answer is clearly Suh.
There are other quarterbacks who could have done what Colt has, including Andrew Luck to name one quickly. There are other running backs who could have done what Ingram has given that line and that many carries (although the list is short — I think Ingram is a special back who is going to be really, really good in the NFL). There is no one else who can do what Suh has done.
Vasherized said:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Huey was a mean bastard in High School and has seemingly been coached into an Ewok.
StatsAreForLosers said:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
CTJ-
So you are telling me that Pryor wouldn’t open up the run as Vince did because he is more mobile than Colt? Is it your position that Snead does not have a stronger arm than Colt, helping our vertical passing game?
Torn on McElroy.
I will concede Tebow, Stull, Yates, Ponder and Mallett.
Maybe the college football quarterbacking landscape is more barren than I thought.
But I really am not sure that it would be that much of a different result. How much does it take for a quarterback to make a presnap read, throw a 5 yard slant or 10 yard dig to a playmaker in stride? Tebow has been annointed the best to ever play because of it and we have all seen his throwing motion and general “will to win”…
Toadvine said:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
“Torn on McElroy.”
Dude has played one good college game. Not even close to Colt. There are few quarterbacks that could be subbed in — and McElroy is not one of them. But I still don’t think Colt should win it based on this season.
mashtun said:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Jeebus Christ! After watching Parlin’s Suh videos I’m just thinking, “Colt, why didn’t you just throw the ball away instead of taking all those insane hits? Why?”
NY Horn said:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Mallett? That guy plays in a completely different system. Can you imagine our running game with him?
Greg Davis only asks Colt to do two things: (1) Complete near 100% of your passes while having to make reads in 4 and 5 wide receiver sets, and (2) at least be a substantial portion if not our complete running game.
I think this year, at least early on, GD told Colt not to run the ball, and our rushing offense simply plummeted. The only times we have looked half decent running the ball are times when Colt is running it as much as our RB’s (A&M game, pretty much the only big rushing plays against Nebraska).
We put crushing amounts of pressure on him to be pretty much our entire offense, and he’s not an elite physical talent like Vince, he’s a nobody from a 2A district. I can see why he’s come out and said that he pretty much hated playing football in the early part of this year, and this kid whose been around football his entire life.
StatsAreForLosers said:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Ny Horn-
“Complete near 100% of your passes while having to make reads in 4 and 5 wide receiver sets”
– Negative.. he makes pre snap reads in 4 or 5 wide receiver sets and locks onto that one person. You cant make multiple reads when your offensive coordinator designs routes that all break at one time.
panchoclaus said:
December 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
For folks who seem to think you can plug in another QB… we did. His name was Jevan Snead and he is one of the top 4 QBs in the SEC – probably the second best pure QB behind Mallet.
And he sort of sucked. He certainly didn’t set any records for completion percentage or end up with more wins than any college QB ever.
Toadvine said:
December 8th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Ha! I remember how shocked I was that Jevan Snead looked like Jevan Snead and John Chiles looked like John Chiles. It’s like someone at the nursery got the name tags reversed.
Bob in Houston said:
December 8th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
I’ve been pondering how McCoy bolstered his Heisman status by passing and running wild against the 100th-or-so-ranked defense last week, and how Suh became such a force this week, when he had his way with an offensive line that hasn’t really blocked for anyone all season.
Kinda the same thing.
I can’t foresee Tebow winning again.
If I had a vote — used to, but it’s been a long time — I’d probably have Suh first and then McCoy. Third… toss-up between the runners…. probably Gerhart, because Stanford leans on him so much more than Alabama did on Ingram. But if I’d actually had a vote, I would have followed it a lot closer than I did this year, even though I watched a ton of games.
The Bobs said:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I’m not CTJ, but I’ll tell you that…
Neither of those would come even remotely close to what Colt has done. They come up missing on the ‘accuracy’ portion of the test. Pryor may turn out to be pretty good (assuming his coaching albatross in a vest miraculously disappears…), but if you think he inhabits even the same universe as Vince from late ’04 on, you’ve been woefully misled. And Snead may, indeed, have a stronger arm… much like Jeff George had a stronger arm than, say, Joe Montana, but you only find one in Canton. What Colt brings to the table is the accuracy, and also the ability to run well enough to at least make the defense account for him. There are not even a handful of college QBs that would have done as well as he did this year.
Which is not the same as saying he was the “most outstanding player” this year. If he does get the award, it will certainly be a lifetime achievement award (which, btw, he clearly deserves more than Tebow…). I’d be happy with it, and happy for him. If I had a vote, I’d go for Suh, and it wouldn’t hurt my feelings at all if Gerhard won it either. Even Spiller would be okay with me. Unfortunately, I suspect that the voters will give it to someone who deserves it even less than Colt for this year…
java said:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
If the weight of Alabama’s win against Auburn had been placed on Ingram’s shoulders, Alabama would have lost, despite their defense. He was not getting it done. The weight of our win against A&M was placed on Colt’s shoulders, and we won. When it came to the game winning drive against Nebraska, once again, he got the yards. Yes, we cut it a little close with the clock. Screw it. 13-12. Scoreboard.
Didn’t Ricky fumble 3 times during the A&M game when he broke the all-time rushing record? It didn’t cost him a Heisman. Maybe they should discontinue the award due to overzealous criticism by the talking heads on ESPN. Sheesh!
ransomstoddard said:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Mack and Colt are taking a beating in the national media. As expected, the whole “we knew what we were doing and how much time was left on the clock” BS is falling apart. That play alone may have killed Colt’s chances for the Heisman.
Home Slice said:
December 9th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
“There is no one else who can do what Suh has done.”
If you’re talking about averaging .92 sacks per game, five other players in the nation did that this season, and eight players did better than that.
Now, I admit he was there when his team needed him most, averaging … oh wait … two-thirds of a sack in losses to Virginia Tech, Texas Tech and Iowa. Hmmmmm.
No doubt, Suh is a great player. But mainly, he picked a great time to play his greatest game. He shouldn’t win the Heisman.
HenryJames said:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Va Tech
Led the team with 8 tackles and broke up 4 passes. No other NU defender had a pbu.
Tech
Four tackles, 2 tfl and 4 quarterback hurries.
Iowa St
Eight tackles, blocked both an extra point and field goal, 1 sack and 3 hurries.
The guy has shown up every week.