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1. Sailor Ripley said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

   

2. Sailor Ripley said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

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   Stoops to ND

   Somebody wander over to the Sooner sites and see what’s shaking.

3. utomlinson said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

   It’s about damn time. I hope they find a replacement soon. I’m sick of hearing them talk about it on ESPN.

4. BrickHorn said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

   http://www.qwizx.com/gssfx/usa/tpirhorns.wav

5. fightingterrorismsince1492 said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

   ….how delicious would that be?….bleacherreport.com, NotreDameScout page, Daily Oklahoman are saying that a deal is either on the table or imminent, whichever one you believe…..Stoops is mum…..

6. Newy25 said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

   As much ill as I wish on OU I still cannot see why he would want to leave.

7. CloseToJumping said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

   Some folks will claim that they’d rather him stay around at OU, now that “we have figured him out”. Well, it is a position I can understand, but not one with which I agree.

   I will take the devil I don’t know. Stoops is a damned good coach. He has played for 4 national titles, won 1, and won 6-8 conference titles. He was a great hire and it would awesome if a “better program” picked him up from OU. I don’t care if the replacement is Brian Kelly, Kevin Sumlin, Gary Patterson, or some other wizard. Good luck picking up where Small Game Bob left off.

   Miami had a great run of Head Coaches, but rarely elsewhere has coaching attrition worked out for a program. It is very hard to find a suitable replacement to a highly successful HC. Let OU go back to the world of Schnelly, Blake, and Gibbs. I will laugh heartily.

   Supposedly, Castiglione is the favorite for the Michigan AD job. That will actually be a bigger deal than Stoops leaving for the OU program. I pray that that happens.

8. ghostofagroundgame said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

   There is no way that the ND job is as good, or better, than the OU job.

9. ghostofagroundgame said:

   November 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

   From my post in the forum:

   “I’m not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I hate ND and would like nothing more than to see Stoops go there and fail tremendously. On the other hand, I’d sure hate for OU to do the sensible and courageous thing and hire Kevin Sumlin to replace Stoops, because it would reopen that inner-city Houston pipe-line that made OU good in the first place (i.e. got them John Blake’s recruits which Leach turned into an offense).”

10. CloseToJumping said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    There is no “inner-city Houston pipeline”, for starters. This isn’t 1985. Outside of the occasional Vince Young or Joseph Addai, there is nothing within the inner city. As well, Houston isn’t Dallas. UT, at this point, is the school of choice for those cats and the stigmas from the old school era went away long ago.

    And I didn’t type that ND was a better job than OU, but perception is reality and I, and anyone else that thinks about strategic ways to tear the hearts out of okie fan, will use the move as a bludgeon for decades.

11. Bob in Houston said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    What CTJ said. Personally, I think that these kids, by and large, don’t qualify, either.

12. fightingterrorismsince1492 said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    …there are reports that a myriad of leprechauns were spotted at the Stoops’ residence packing and stacking…..film at 11……

13. ghostofagroundgame said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    “inner-city” = Aldine these days. Quentin Griffith was Yates, though.

14. magnusbleuveigner said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Griffin was Aldine Nimitz I believe. Eisenhower is the only real pipeline in the city, unless you want to add North Shore.

15. holdem said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    What has happened to inner city Dallas and Houston from a football perspective? At least in Dallas, the DISD high schools are much smaller than they once were, but still tend to play in 5A, is the change from mostly black/white athletes to Hispanics that don’t play football?

16. ghostofagroundgame said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Magnus and CTJ –

    Y’all are correct. Griffin was Nimitz. The Aldine schools, North Shore, and the Ft. Bend schools near Mo City are what’s left. But Sumlin knows the area. And I was using “inner-city” as a euphemism for the schools that typically produce skill-player talent.

    The old school inner-city schools — Jones, Wheatley, Washington, and Yates — are shrinking, big-time.

17. Pedro Pele said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    “is the change from mostly black/white athletes to Hispanics that don’t play football?”

    We plays the futbol..

18. GiordanoBruno said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Someone explain to me again how in the hell did little Quentin Griffith shred our defense. I’ve been puzzled by that smooth buttfucking for years.

19. JP said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    “Someone explain to me again how in the hell did little Quentin Griffith shred our defense. I’ve been puzzled by that smooth buttfucking for years”

    Let the somewhat larger Sims kid from Abilene cross the river and you’ll be asking that question again in a couple of years..

20. Phenomenal Smith said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    I don’t see Sumlin as a top-notch option anyway. He’s done well at Houston, but for now, that just means he hasn’t botched Art Briles’ fine work. Much like Butch Jones at Central Michigan, whose name comes up as a hot coaching hire, hasn’t botched Brian Kelly’s fine work. If Stoops left OU, and I doubt he will, OU will go after bigger more established fish – Patterson, Kelly, Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll, Wade Phillips….

21. ballrific said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Not sure we want Patterson at ou…

22. CloseToJumping said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    So what you meant by inner-city, ghost, is any school with good black players in the greater Houston area?

    North Shore, not sure who mentioned, is no more inner city than Memorial or Katy. It is outside the loop along I-10 in a developed area. The difference is that the demographics are fundamentally different.

    The Fort Bend point is just silly.

    Could Sumlin make inroads at an OOS school in the city of Houston because he once coached there? Sure. Will he do that to UT’s disadvantage? Uh, no. I will tell you very simply who it will hurt – LSU and ATM. If we’re going after a guy in Houston, we’re either going to land them or they simply do not like UT. If we’re not on the player, then Sumlin probably harms the other schools going after the same guy.

    Phenomenal Smith–

    Your coaching list, the one that includes Meyer and Carroll for OU, is a joke, right?

23. honkskillet said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Like most I am equivocal about whether I think this will work out well or poorly for OU. There is certainly much more uncertainty in outcomes with Stoops leaving so I guess I want him to go. What I am unequivocal about is that it is awesome that Stoops is leaving OU for “a better program”. This is not a lateral move. Stoops is moving vertically here. At least that is what he must be thinking since there is no real pressing reason for him to split right now. ND has been historically stingy when it comes to compensation and while they will probably join the elite when it comes to coaches salary, Stoops could probably get more from OU just by using a ND contract offer as extortion. And unless there is a secret pending sanction, which I doubt, there is no real reason for him to get out of Dodge. Sure there is grumbling about 1-4 against UT in the last 5 but Stoops has had the overall success, and recently, for him to ride that out pretty easily. The only reason to go then is that Stoops must just regard ND as a superior program than OU, and if Stoops himself has that opinion it is pretty damning. Suck it Sooners. You 2nd best coach ever thinks you are second class.

24. Newy25 said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Stoops is staying.

    http://oklahoma.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1022902

25. JP said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Thanks for the update Newy.
    ballrific – You’re right. We do not want Patterson at OU..

26. Vasherized said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    “I will never confirm or deny whether I talk or don’t talk to anybody. I won’t be interviewing for any jobs,” he said.

    The inherent contradictions of one Robert Stoops …

27. ransomstoddard said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Since Brown now owns Stoops, why would we want him to leave? Absent massive payments to recruits from ou boosters, which I am not discounting the possibility of, ou will not catch up in a significant way for awhile.

28. magnusbleuveigner said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    The inclusion of North Shore on that list was from a purely talent standpoint. Had Katy been a more reliable source of talent I would have included them as well. North Shore is about equidistant from downtown as IKE. For my money they are the only two pipeline schools in the area. No other schools can match the year in and year out output of those two.

    I understand that North Shore isn’t in the inner city, it’s still not the greatest area though.

29. Bob in Houston said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    “I intend to be at Oklahoma. That’s the only (job) right now that I’m looking to do,” said Stoops. “I’m going to be at Oklahoma next year. I can’t be in two places at once.”

    Not the strongest denial I ever read.

30. magnusbleuveigner said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I just can’t see Stoops in South Bend and I hope he doesn’t leave. We have the clear upperhand right now and for the forseeable future.

    I hope White and Jeffcoat are seeing what’s going on in Norman.

31. CloseToJumping said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    The denials are part and parcel with the process. That considered, in past flirtations, Stoops has used major events to announce that he’s emphatically going to stay. He used a big basketball game to deny the Ohio State pursuit. Did the same with the Browns. I think he used the banquet one year as well. Not leveraging something big, and I am guessing they have a banquet coming up or at least a basketball game, screams of a Shakespeare line in his protestation.

    In regard to Patterson, I would love to see him at OU. He is a good evaluator of talent but he’s not charismatic and he’s going to need to be a special guy to compete with Texas right now. He’s never competed with UT for players and that would be a learning experience for him.

    I would like to see them avoid pursuing Charlie Strong. The rest do nothing for me, as far as those that are legitimate contenders for the role.

32. Truck's Son said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    “Since Stoops now owns Brown, why would we want him to leave?… Texas will not catch up in a significant way to OU for awhile.”

    OU fans in 2004.

    People that think it benefits us for Stoops to stay at OU have pretty short memories.

33. ransomstoddard said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    No doubt Stoops will use this to leverage more money out of the pockets of ou and its boosters

34. ghostofagroundgame said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    The conflicting pronouncements and stories always accompny serious consideration. At this point, who know?

35. ghostofagroundgame said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    CTJ: “So what you meant by inner-city, ghost, is any school with good black players in the greater Houston area?”

    Pretty much. The city is so spread out, and the population has shifted out of the wards so much over the last 15 – 20 years that a lot of schools that draw from outside the beltway draw from a population formerly considered “inner-city.” Hell, Jones and Madison are somewhat suburban schools. As are Hightower, Austin, North Shore (Galena Park anyway), and Eisenhower.

36. CloseToJumping said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Yeah, hence my comment of “this isn’t 1985″. My other points are all correct as well and we should end the discussion here about who owns or will own Houston recruiting for CFB. Until things go really, really sideways for an extended period of time, which could be decades from now, Texas has a stranglehold down here on who they want outside of the occasional Jake Matthews.

    We’re going to land Leroy Scott out of South Houston HS next year for goodness sake. That kid was born hearing about ATM and LSU.

    I’ve spent enough time with guys who have spent enough time with the coaches down here to know that just because OU hires a black dude that coached at UH, they’re not going to seriously make much of a dent.

    Obviously it is different in Dallas. The stigma from the 60-70’s there continues now. It sucks and OU benefits, but oh well.

37. utexex said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    ND offered Stoops today, and he turned it down.

    Interestingly, the offer was for less $$ than what he currently makes at OU.

38. SoonerSpy said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Yesterday. I read of that offer on a ND board. They seemed to think that would hire Stoops. His total compensation at OU was reported at $4.875 million. I doubt that money is an issue with Stoops.

39. Phenomenal Smith said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Your coaching list, the one that includes Meyer and Carroll for OU, is a joke, right?

    What? No good? How about Wade Phillips? He’d be perfect. Is his dad still alive? Bum could be an assistant and make millions just like daddy Kiffin.

    Interestingly, the offer was for less $$ than what he currently makes at OU.

    ND arrogance is beyond even UT levels.

40. Bob in Houston said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    ND arrogance is beyond even UT levels.

    No way, dude. UT football arrogance surpasses even KU basketball arrogance.

41. NateHeupel said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Notre Dame AD: We’d like you to consider moving from a program where you went to a BCS title game last season to a program that his been proven to be a graveyard for coaches.
    Stoops: What’s the money like?
    Notre Dame AD: Clearly, you’re not worth 4 million dollars, so we’d like to start you around 1.15 million.
    Stoops: I make almost 5 million a year right now.
    Notre Dame AD: …….. I’ll make 1.25 million. HUGE! You play first class hardball, good sir.
    Stoops: …….
    Notre Dame AD: (whispering) knute rockne…
    Stoops: Fuck that guy, and fuck you too..

42. Blueshorn said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    “Interestingly, the offer was for less $$ than what he currently makes at OU.”

    ND’s offer merely recognizes that he isn’t worth what he’s currently making. They would be doing ZeroU a favor by taking him off their hands.

43. topo gigio said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Nate – funny stuff.

44. dedfischer said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    The quality of the current ND job clearly reveals the demographic shift towards declining speed among the black Catholic population. I read Freakonomics.

45. Merril Hodge said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    It is merely wishful thinking on the part of Texas fans to think he is going to ND, IMO. He had no reason to issue the statement. He knows he has it good at OU.

46. WWGDD said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Patterson at OU? I wouldn’t be concerned about him as a coach. But what would upset me there is that Patterson and Brown are best buds. We don’t want that. We need hate. Stoops is a prick. Easy to hate. Makes a rivalry a rivalry.

47. Truck's Son said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    We would hate Mother Theresa if she coached OU. At least I would. Hate the rank, not the person, or something like that.

48. Groundhog Day said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Whoever wants Stoops to stay is clearly ignoring his success and how far OU had fallen before he arrived. I think it’s great for the rivalry, but OU will always be powerful with Bob at the helm. In fact, if he went to ND they would win and win big. I don’t buy the whole ND isn’t relevant anymore argument. The same thing was being said about Texas before Brown. It’s all about getting the right coach to maximize the tradition and resources of the school.

    Sumlin isn’t a prove commodity. Watch out for little Stoops or Charlie Strong who has a lot of experience at big name colleges and OU isn’t afraid to roll the dice on someone who doesn’t have head coaching experience. Harbaugh will wait for Michigan or he won’t go anywhere until a pro job opens up. i don’t know if OU goes the Patterson route. Castiglione has a very good track record so I’m sure he will pick a winner. However, the odds that anyone duplicates Stoops success are not high.

49. Blueshorn said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    “The quality of the current ND job clearly reveals the demographic shift towards declining speed among the black Catholic population. ”

    ded,

    I’m wondering if the Big 12 would have noticed a similar decline in speed if we all required freshmen athletes to take and pass calculus.

50. Blueshorn said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    “It is merely wishful thinking on the part of Texas fans to think he is going to ND, IMO. He had no reason to issue the statement. He knows he has it good at OU.”

    I think Stoops is merely playing ND to make ZeroU appreciate him in spite of his recent string of underachievements and the dreadful way he handled Bradford and Gresham. He was feeling some heat and now he’s turned the tables on his detractors. He’s nothing if not manipulative!

51. sizzlechest said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Castiglione ending up at Michigan is not getting much play right now, but I think that may end up providing the fulcrum to keep Stoops at OU. Boren won’t want to have to hire a new AD and Head football coach at the same time. That never seems to work out well.

52. sizzlechest said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Big news! Adam Schefter has a comfort zone!

    http://twitter.com/ADAM_SCHEFTER

53. The General said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Since Brown now owns Stoops, why would we want him to leave? Absent massive payments to recruits from ou boosters, which I am not discounting the possibility of, ou will not catch up in a significant way for awhile.

    There is no way that OU hires a better coach than Stoops. Stoops is merely overrated. He is still one of the six best in college football. The other five aren’t leaving their gigs to coach in Norman.

    In no particular order:

    1) Mack Brown
    2) Urban Meyer
    3) Nick Saban
    4) Pete Carroll
    5) Robert Stoops
    6) Frank Beamer

    Brian Kelly needs to beat someone. Mark Richt would be crazy to trade Athens for Norman. Mike Leach? Not! Jim Grobe? He might go, but he isn’t better. Tressel? Ferentz? I have no fear of either. The one hire I would worry about would be Art Briles.

54. java said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    OMG, they just announced that Bobby Bowden is retiring. I will lay odds that was forced.

    Hook ‘em!

55. magnusbleuveigner said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I think Paterno and Bowden are destined to kick the bucket on the same day like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.

56. iamthepush said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    What about bowden going to ou? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

57. KilgoreTrout said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Dedi, have you read SuperFreakonomics though. I thought it was better than the 1st book – more coherent.

58. Mysterious Package said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Weis
    Could not handle college. His smug attitude only works in the pros not around alumni and college kids.But heard he already has offers to be OC so he wont stay unemployed long.

59. yojimbox said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    As a MacArthur graduate, can I say, FUCK ALDINE.

60. BEHorn said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    ND can overlook arrogance, a recent track record of futility in big games, and turning the other cheek on violent offenders (Dvoracek, Chaisson) — but they absolutely, positively must have a coach with a chin.

    That alone means Stoops isn’t leaving. 4 years ago, that would have been a disturbing thought; now, however, it is pleasing. Stick around, Chin-Free Bob … years of further beatings await you!

61. NY Horn said:

    November 30th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    I never understood the hiring of Weis. College is such a different game than the NFL and it presents so many unique challenges that I would never go after someone in the NFL who didn’t make their bones in the college game. What makes a good NFL coordinator/coach has simply almost nothing to do with being a good college coach.

    I’m sure he’s a really, really smart guy and knows a hell of a lot about football, but those things aren’t sufficient for success as a HC in CFB. I doubt ND makes the mistake again and will hire someone who has proven themselves as a winner in CFB.

62. Merril Hodge said:

    December 1st, 2009 at 5:23 am

    “Castiglione ending up at Michigan is not getting much play right now”

    Michigan fans think the current CEO of Dominos is their next AD.

63. Groundhog Day said:

    December 1st, 2009 at 6:01 am

    Good post NY Horn. People forget that Pete Carroll had a lot of experience at the college level as an assistant as opposed to other pro coaches who have been hired recently. He knew what it took to have a successful program. The effort and importance of recruiting, dealing with alumni, hiring the right assistants, dealing with college athletes, etc.

64. BatesHorn said:

    December 1st, 2009 at 7:46 am

    From the Nick Saban to Alabama party:
    http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/01/nick-saban-watch-liveblog/

    Dec. 21: Saban: “I guess I have to say it. I’m not going to be the Alabama coach.” & “I don’t control what people say. I don’t control what people put on dot-com or anything else. So I’m just telling you there’s no significance, in my opinion, about this, about me, about any interest that I have in anything other than being the coach here.

    Dec. 27: Saban: “I’m just making a rule to never comment on something like that again because every time you comment on it, it just makes for another story. So I’m not going to comment on it five years from now, and I’m not going to comment on it next week.”

    I’d say Stoopie’s denials are no better.

65. TaylorTRoom said:

    December 1st, 2009 at 7:49 am

    I think Nate has it right. For ND to have a chance with a Stoops, or a Meyer, they need to approach, hat in hand, make no mention of a need for an interview even as a formality, and let him fill in the dollar amount on the contract. I doubt they do that, and that’s why they will have to scramble to get a Patterson or Kelly.

66. hodad said:

    December 2nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    A Patterson or a Kelly is really what ND needs. Both those guys are already ludicrously successful with third tier linemen and second tier skill position players who they coach up into BCS conference quality. At ND they get second tier linemen and first tier skill position players. They had top 3 recruiting classes for the past four years, albeit mostly because recruiting services overemphasize skill players over linemen.

    That’s just pretending that ND would keep their current assistant coaches. If a Kelly or a Patterson brings in a big time recruiter who can pull linemen from Texas and/or SEC country ND would be unstoppable. If I were them I’d hire Kelly as HC and Ed Orgeron as DC/recruiting coordinator with a game-oriented assistant DC . Orgeron isn’t going to be content to be the junior DC with no on-field responsibilities (because Monte Kiffin runs everything about their defense except recruiting) at Tennessee very long, I promise you.

67. lowery said:

    December 3rd, 2009 at 8:56 am

68. lowery said:

    December 3rd, 2009 at 8:56 am

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/cblowery21/PattonSlap.jpg

69. lowery said:

    December 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 am

    [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/cblowery21/PattonSlap.jpg[/IMG]

70. lowery said:

    December 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 am

    god dammit

71. lowery said:

    December 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 am

    sans-serif;”>

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