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Posted by HenryJames on November 11th, 2009 under Football
The Sooner program has always had some ways of doing things that would eventually come back to bite them. But as long as they were winning the Big 12 and there were adequate Slim Jims for the fanbase, things were good. But now there is blood in the water in Norman, and people are starting to ask questions that they should have been asking all along.
The latest question to be asked is how Oklahoma has managed to lose 40% of their offensive line recruits since 2005, the worst in the Big 12 South. They’ve lost as many as Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State have combined.
Why?
“I think we know why.”
“There’s a number of reasons,” Bob Stoops said. “Some guys don’t want to go to class. Don’t want to work out. They want to set their own schedule.”
Some don’t want to drink their own puke. Some don’t want to play injured. And some don’t like being under the tutelage of a sociopath masquerading as a strength and conditioning coach.
“Puke flavored donut anyone?”
The Tulsa World says ‘there have been tales of grueling treatment during offseason conditioning, and that happens to be when most of those players left.’
Correlation? Causation? Meh. Stoops says they make, uh, modifications for linemen so they’re not asked to run as much as other position players. And besides, it’s the tortuous workouts in the offseason that makes you tough. Or makes you quit the sport.
“I quit.”
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dedfischer said:
November 11th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
You just like to pile-on like a dickhead, don’t you?
The General said:
November 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Uhh . . . See 1999-2004. We ain’t even even yet.
Barry Switzer said:
November 11th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
When I was running things, we had a lot of fun.
czarcw said:
November 11th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Interesting that one of the guys that “couldn’t hack it” is now in the NFL (Brandon Keith).
uthookem said:
November 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Great screen captures.
Fuck OU, they deserve everything coming there way.
BTW, how has Stoops done on the big stage since he has had only his recruits?
Hook ‘em!
Vasherized said:
November 11th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Loving every goddamn second of this reckoning. And I’m not much for karma but this is sweet justice after last year.
I will keep celebrating every misstep by Stoops and every misfortune that follows from this dirty, cheating, feckless program.
How does that cock-flavored Popsicle taste now, Bob? If things don’t work out in Norman I hear Notre Dame is interested in his smug sideshow of big game collapses. He would pick up right where Weis left off…
Meanwhile, enjoy 5-4.
Mike said:
November 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
The “pile on” joke was not a joke. Regular contributor or not, that was serious pussy OU shit creeping out.
find your inner pirate said:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Mike – ded is not a gooner and is most likely dreaming of plowing, as we speak. He does, however, write wonderful stories, never to be read, for illiterate west Texans who eat dirt clods and occasionally squat near barbed-wire fences and shit in the top of their Nocona boots.
That said, let’s take it easy on ded, buddy…
soonerfan15 said:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
I don’t mean to bring facts to the discussion, but I think it is a little unfair to claim that the 40% number is all related to Jerry Schmidt. Let’s look at the guys who have left Oklahoma since the infamous 2003 recruiting class and the reasons they left and you’ll find that there are only a few that have left because of Jerry Schmidt… and they were huge pussies that proved that at the places they went to.
2003 –
Anton Reid: Had some injuries and didn’t like it that he was going to have to ride the pine for a few years before playing. Not that uncommon for a college OL.
Brandon Keith: Didn’t even make it to campus in 2003 and had to go to NEO. Upon his arrival in 2005 he basically did nothing and then disappeared during 2 a days because of baby mama drama. After the TCU loss, he was offered a chance to be reinstated when he magically showed up on campus again, but he didn’t accept the offer.
Akim Millington: Also left during fall camp in 2005 and when asked why he said he was tired of practicing and didn’t like getting beat up all day. He was referring to just the normal bumps and bruises that come from playing football.
Brian Zimpel: Got in trouble for being a clepto.
2004:
Randy McAdams and Cameron Schact: These guys are hard for me to keep straight. One wanted to get married and run away. The other wanted to play immediately and transferred to TU. I don’t think they were here longer than a year and last I heard one of them was selling used cars like a year after quitting.
JD Quinn: Thrown off after being a dumbass with Rhett Bomar.
2005:
Jesse White: Was barely in Norman when they discovered a career ending back condition. He stayed with the program on a medical scholarship for his whole career.
Ben Baressi: Got in a fight with another player and left the team shortly after. His twin brother Joe left the team at Arizona after like one season. This had nothing to do with S&C, and everything to do with not fitting in on the team.
2006:
Chase Beeler: Left for Stanford because he was a National Merit Scholar that valued going to an excellent school more than playing football for an elite program. He wanted to go there originally and was pressured by his parents to go to OU. Not a big surprise that he left after 1 year.
Curtis Bailey: Career ending injury.
Chad Roark: Left after spring with the team. He’s the origin of the puke eating story, which I have only heard on message boards. I know a lot of the guys that were in his workout group, and they deny that ever happened. They claim he couldn’t keep up in workouts and had an attitude problem. Not surprisingly, he (and his older brother Craig) didn’t last long at Nebraska. He’s back in Ada, living the dream.
2007:
Alex Williams: Was kicked off the team for not going to class and being lazy in general. Shmitty couldn’t have driven him away because he never worked out.
Kody Cooke: Was lowest man on the depth chart going into last spring and decided he had a better chance to play at Tulsa.
Jason Hannan: Had a kidney condition and was subsequently not cleared to play for the first part of the spring. During that time, they basically named Ben Habern the starter at C. I think he also had trouble fitting in with the team.
2008:
Britt Mitchell: This is the notorious douche who claimed he was quitting the team to join the Marines only to end up at UTEP.
Of those guys, only Chad Roark was a direct result of Jerry Schmidt, and his story of torture at the hands of Schmidt is extremely unreliable.
I think a more accurate knock on OU as it relates to losing OL is the inability of this coaching staff to evaluate character. The guys that have left are for the most part lazy asses that wouldn’t do the basic things necessary to be on a college football program. When Stoops came in, they had two slogans: 1) Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard and 2) respect everyone and fear no one. Its ironic that the OU football team is the shining example of talent getting outworked and not respecting their opponents.
I actually think that the Jerry Schmidt has been almost completely undermined over the last few years. At the beginning of the Stoops era, the rule was if Shmitty said you didn’t work hard, then you didn’t play. A few years ago, a few guys realized that OU was thin at their positions and they called the coaches on their bluff that they would keep talented guys off the fiedl if they didn’t workout. The coaches folded for whatever reason, I assume because of a fear that they would lose a lot of games. They have set the precedent, and now the players recognize that they can basically disrespect Shmitty and not do his workouts and still get on the field when the team is desperate. This summer, the reports were that most of the O-linemen didn’t even workout with Shmitty. Now they are an undisciplined crew of flunkies that can’t master simple shit like the snap count. If it is any coach’s fault, its not Schmidt. I think the blame falls squarely on the coaches who recruited them and play them despite their lack of work ethic.
AZHorn said:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I didn’t get past the first paragraph. All I saw was OU recruits huge pussies.
NY Horn said:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
I think high attrition rates tend to be disingenuous in principle to high school recruits because the benefit bestowed (the scholarship) doesn’t comport with the recruit’s perception of what a scholarship is – a full ride until you graduate. That statement isn’t necessarily true if 40% to 50% of the kids are dropping out before they graduate and a significant portion of that statistic are probably leaving for reasons which wouldn’t be foreseeable to them while they were being recruited.. The particular circumstances of each player’s exit from the program doesn’t really alleviate that issue.
CloseToJumping said:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Am I the only guy that actually laughed out loud reading the rationalizations and justifications from the sooner up above? The beautiful part about all of this is that they honestly and passionately defend Schmidt. That guy is going nowhere. This is the same piece of shit that gets in the faces of opposing players that are tackled on OU sidelines and talks shit to them as they get up.
The Devil never fails to collect his due, and the bill is pretty fucking big right now in Norman. I hope all of the smirks were worth it.
p said:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
The problem in short is that OU is a program………..
Piling pounds on their players too quickly, for the sake of getting them on the field as quickly as possibly.
Bringing players back too soon after injury, therefore not allowing their bodies to fully heal(see Murray, Peterson, Bradford…etc).
Not allowing their backups proper reps, when they are already up 44-14.
If allowed OU will ruin your career. When Murray came to OU, he was an explosive, dynamic runner, that struck fear in opposing defenses. As it stands now, he is less feared then Brown is. OU did that to him.
Sugarpants said:
November 12th, 2009 at 1:04 am
The same stuff could be thrown at Texas at a number of positions. Good programs at big state schools where players are minimally molly-coddled are going to have higher attrition rates than at small schools like ND, Vandy, or TCU. At those schools it’s easy to follow your players around and make sure they marginally attend class and get Cs.
When I was teaching at UH, we would have Rice players in our classes all the time. They would take the classes in groups. They weren’t any smarter than the average UH student, but they stuck together – they all came to class and swapped notes if they missed. The UH athletes were lucky if they made it a couple of times a semester. I would get academic progress inquiries but no one would ever follow up if I said “I have no clue who this kid is because he hasn’t shown up to my class yet.”
Anyway, do we really care how long players stay at OU? I am happy with scoreboard and our tremendous success with putting good players in the NFL.
Huckleberry said:
November 12th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Go ahead and name one, then.
Be sure to keep in mind that offensive line is the position where it’s most important to keep players for the long haul and not to suffer ridiculous attrition.
Turn the page, Fred said:
November 12th, 2009 at 6:29 am
What soonerfan15 really means is that the OU coaching staff isn’t too rough…..they just keep recruiting the biggest, whiny-est pussies in the world, year after year.
Frankly, I relish that angle.
dedfischer said:
November 12th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Who gives a fuck why? This is opportunity.
TaylorTRoom said:
November 12th, 2009 at 6:54 am
ded, given how every Sooner threw at us last year that we blew it (i.e., OU won it) when we lost in Lubbock, I’m going to enjoy (hopefully) pointing out that OU hasn’t won there since 2003.
Newy25 said:
November 12th, 2009 at 7:00 am
If they suck so badly and cannot understand the snap count, why did Stoops proclaim them one of the best lines he had ever coached in preseason?
TaylorTRoom said:
November 12th, 2009 at 7:18 am
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=202&articleid=20090808_202_B1_OUoffe74854
Great pre-season article
uthookem said:
November 12th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Here’s a gem from Kevin Wilson: “I don’t know if I know offense as well (as some),” Wilson said. “But I know offensive lines.”
Magnificent Bastard said:
November 12th, 2009 at 8:09 am
And another: “I’ve got two fourth-year guys and two fifth-year guys, a boatload of tight ends, a couple of backs and a guy who won a nice trophy throwing the ball around”.
That was some Titanic boatload of tight ends you had there Kevin.
BatesHorn said:
November 12th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Is it wrong that the sooners misfortune makes me kinda horny?
Roach said:
November 12th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Look at the brain on Andre
Blueshorn said:
November 12th, 2009 at 8:56 am
“I think a more accurate knock on OU as it relates to losing OL is the inability of this coaching staff to evaluate character.”
It takes character to know character. So you’re exactly right. ZeroU is short on character and has been for the last 60+ years. That, alone, doesn’t explain their current debacle, however. There have been plenty of slimeball gooner teams that won. But it eventually catches up with each slimeball coach and the worm has now turned for Stoops.
TxTower said:
November 12th, 2009 at 9:00 am
The Sooner’s season long, karma induced implosion has been the gift that keeps on giving so far this season. Who knows what further trials and tribulations await them in their last three games (ATM, @Tech, OSU) and whoever they lose to in the Texas Bowl. I suspect OU will be the best six loss team in the country when all is said and done.
CloseToJumping said:
November 12th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Apparently OL Tavaris Jeffries may not play this weekend because of a bruised shoulder. This update came from the newsok website. It is a veritable onslaught now.
BYU said:
November 12th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Soonerfan15-
Explain these.
Broyles playing with a fractured shoulder blade a couple weeks after injuring it.
Manny Johnson back only a week or so after bending his elbow completely the wrong way, and playing in some contraption to keep it stabilized.
Bringing Sam Bradford back after a serious AC sprain.
Attempting to have Gresham play after a knee injury that required surgery.
There are many other instances over the years Stoops has been there, but since these are the most recent we will just start here. The OU coaching staff seems to look at their players as expendable commodities. It’s just a matter of time before the word hits the street, and recruits begin to shy away from the Stoops football factory.
Being tough on players in one thing. Asking players to risk their careers and livelihood for the sake of winning a game is ridiculous.
P said:
November 12th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Amen!
coolhorn said:
November 12th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I don’t believe in karma one way or another, but I do believe you have to pay a price for the things you do Sooner or later.
Stoops and staff treat their players like tools in a toolbox. Play ‘em hurt if that’s what it takes to win another game. Push them to brutal limits in workouts, in the name of toughening them up. Push the “no excuses” idea, then throw whatever player is convenient under the bus whenever the wins don’t come your way. Stoops must think he’s teflon-covered. If I were Wilson or Venables, I’d be sweating bullets right now, because somebody’s gonna have to pay for this season, and there probably won’t be enough players left upright to blame.
Stoops is putting himself and his program in this position, and so far, his fanbase is mostly still drinking the Kool-Aid. There’s enough talent on hand up in Norman that. barring another injury run of biblical proportions, zero-u will probably be a little better next year. That being said, the bloom’s worn off of okie’s program, and it’s gonna be harder for Stoops and staff to recruit the number and quality of players they need to stay up with the Horns, and other top level programs.
voigtbomb said:
November 12th, 2009 at 10:59 am
This is the greatest thread I’ve read in a long time. It’s so satisfying to see the chickens finally coming home to roost for Poopsie.
P said:
November 12th, 2009 at 11:35 am
TxTower-
The Sooners will get a month of healing between their last game, and whatever bowl game they go to. They will probably crush whoever they play, which is fine by me. I am not SEC fan, but the big12 needs these games for respect on a national level.
Tex said:
November 12th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
@TaylorTRoom- best part of that article might have been the lame OU commentary. Goes to show you that mullets and crystal meth breed confidence.
soonerfan15 said:
November 12th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
BYU-
Your post is fucking stupid. You don’t know the extent of any of those injuries and you have no proof that the coaching staff somehow forced those guys to play. I’ll take them one at a time:
Broyles – Had a minor fracture. He was back so soon because it didn’t hurt, and hasn’t effected him at all. How is it bad that he’s back out there?
Manny Johnson – What looked like a really bad injury turned out to not be that bad. Hyperextension doesn’t always result in that much damage. The brace was there for support because the joint was still loose, but it wasn’t like the coaches reattached an amputated arm so he could play. He didn’t reinjure it.
Sam Bradford – As was discussed ad nauseum on the post about the inept handling of Sam Bradford, it was his decision to come back. He needed surgery, but it could wait until after the season. He made the choice without pressure from the coaches and then when he hurt it again against Texas, he was begging to go back in and they told him no.
Jermaine Gresham – There is not a shred of truth to this statement. I talked about this on that other thread as well.
Someone else posted about Demarco Murray, so I’ll address him as well.
He dislocated his knee cap on that garbage turf at Texas Tech, and then tore his hamstring after getting his knee hit by a helmet during a kick return in the CCG last year. How is that the OU coaching staff’s fault?
I suppose OU is the only team that has any injuries and has guys return from injuries to keep playing.
Matador44 said:
November 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I hope 0U goes down to Tech and Ok State to end the season. I want to see the get tortured by both teams!
soonerfan15 said:
November 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Also, it is disgusting to watch you guys get some sort of sick pleasure in a string of injuries. You guys act like you are so concerned for the well being of OU players by claiming that evil Coach Stoops makes them play hurt, but then you celebrate whenever one of our guys is injured.
HenryJames said:
November 12th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Allow me to set your mind at ease. We don’t give a fuck about your players.
CloseToJumping said:
November 12th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I root for injuries on a regular basis and have done so since forever, and without apology. I don’t want anyone seriously injured, but I take great pleasure in knowing that your team is weakened by players going down. I also know that it happens regularly with fans everywhere. You had a 7 page thread on the DJ Grant/TE injury problems for Texas heading into summer drills on soonerfans, so spare us the righteous indignation.
Deep down in places you don’t type about on the Internet, you laugh heartily when someone else loses a guy for a few games or the season due to injury. You just aren’t man enough to admit it. It is not different than being maniacally excited about Dez Bryant being suspended for the year. There is pain for the player and other teams benefit. And sooner fan went ahead and shit themselves and rubbed themselves in it out of ecstasy when the word came down on the guy.
The “classy” fan argument coming from a sooner is almost as funny as watching you justify the shitty treatment your staff delivers to players. The worst shithead fans I have ever encountered online or offline have been sooners. It is not close, even when USC and Ohio State fans are included. On top of that, you root for the most miserable piece of shit outlaw program that has ever stepped foot on an NCAA playing field. You have regularly chosen to cheat at an institutional level and then you justify it with the tried and untrue “hey, everybody does it” line. Now fuck off.
Homesick Alien said:
November 12th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Boom. Roasted.
Orangeblood79 said:
November 12th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
/thread
HenryJames said:
November 12th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha!
AZHorn said:
November 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
“Allow me to set your mind at ease. We don’t give a fuck about your players.”
Word.
NateHeupel said:
November 12th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
“The “classy” fan argument coming from a sooner is almost as funny as watching you justify the shitty treatment your staff delivers to players.”
This treatment being verified by frothing UT insiders like you with no access to the program and observing with the ignorance cranked up to 11.
“The worst shithead fans I have ever encountered online or offline have been sooners.”
I can say, based solely on your posts, that the worst shithead (and source of the problem) is you. The treatment you get is no more than a predictable response to a douchebag of Clipper Cooper-esque proportions. You run into an asshole, you treat him accordingly. Thus, you have been treated like shit because you are a shithead. It’s not calculus, it’s the mere application of Newton’s 3rd Law to human interaction.
“On top of that, you root for the most miserable piece of shit outlaw program that has ever stepped foot on an NCAA playing field.”
It’s more likely that you had to consciously fight off the urge to commit harakiri during the 63-14 and 65-13 browbeatings you sat through while thinking “They can’t be superior to me…er, us. IT MUST BE CHEATING!!!” Any other explanation would’ve led to cognitive dissonance so severe that your mind would ‘ve crack more than it already has, which would be akin to the Laurentian Abyss reaching the very core of the earth.
“You have regularly chosen to cheat at an institutional level and then you justify it with the
tried and untrue “hey, everybody does it” line.”
“Deep down in places you don’t type about on the Internet, you laugh heartily when someone else loses a guy for a few games or the season due to injury.”
—Hey, everybody does it.
CloseToJumping said:
November 12th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
NateHeupel–
I don’t feel like I’ve been treated poorly by sooners. I am judging you based off of what I see you guys doing on your own boards and when you come over to our boards and talk shit. Admittedly, this year, you guys don’t act like the entitled geniuses that you normally project yourselves to be. Shocking.
It was a nice try though, man. If I was stuck in your position, the truth would hurt me pretty badly as well.
ACE said:
November 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
hobzzz said:
November 12th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
this may have been said already, but there’s no such thing as a full ride. scholarships are a year to year contract, at which point the school can retract the offer and the athlete is basically fucked for a year.
action said:
November 12th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
P, you forgot Jason White.
http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/shared-gen/ap/General_College_Sports_News/FBC_Sloppy_Sooners.html?cxntlid=inform_artr
“We can play pretty well when it goes our way. When it gets going a little tough … for the most part this year, we’ve not had composure, the poise, the execution level.”
OK. It’s Kevin Wilson the OC speaking, but is he and Stoops throwing the team under the bus, or is it a matter of just “calling it as they see it? So what is it Kevin? Are you saying that the team is “soft”, or just stupid?
I love the OU meltdown, and I think we thought this might happen this year.
Remember how Ags would climb all over any Texas forums in 1998 dispelling any future predictions of doom? Am I having some kind of weird flashback here?
yojimbox said:
November 12th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Fuck you, NateHeupel. Enjoy the Banana Bowl, motherfucker.
coolhorn said:
November 13th, 2009 at 9:03 am
What Close to said. Any zero-u fan that doesn’t like what’s being said about stoopsie doesn’t need to hang around this, or any other Longhorn site. If you are sooner fan and you’re here, do us all a favor and don’t try to justify the miscreant you have coaching up in Indian territory. You’ll only be preaching to yourself, and boring the rest of us.