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Mack Brown’s First 150 Games
Posted by Huckleberry on November 9th, 2009 under Football
Just a few quick notes about Mack’s first 150 games at Texas, including comparisons to Royal at the same stage:
- We’ve won 124 of Mack’s 150 games. In order to get to 124 wins moving back in time before Mack got here, you would need 204 games.
- Darrell Royal was 120-30 in his first 150 games. Of course back then that took one game shy of 15 seasons to reach versus Mack’s less than 12 seasons.
- Mack is 78-18 in his 96 conference games. Royal was 80-20-2 in conference play during his first 150 overall contests.
- Mack’s teams have scored 1.98 points for every point allowed. Royal’s had scored 2.15 for every one allowed.
- Mack is 65-6 at home, 44-9 on the road, and 15-11 in neutral site games.
- Mack is 6-6 against Oklahoma and 8-3 against Texas A&M. Royal, at the 150 game mark, was 12-3 against Oklahoma and 14-1 against Texas A&M.
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The Clapper said:
November 9th, 2009 at 8:23 am
One 1 championship. in 11 tries. Sigh.
uthookem said:
November 9th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Yeah, but we win 10 games! This is the best coaching staff. EVAR.
bullittx said:
November 9th, 2009 at 8:31 am
#6 is the big difference. both have had huge implications on Big 12 titles.
Scipio Tex said:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:11 am
124-26 ain’t too shabby.
Hopefully we’ll do some more to address #6 Thanksgiving Day.
raoulduke said:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Huck – How many of the 124 were we double digit faves? How many were 20+? 30+?
nordberg said:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Sitting at 6-6 against OU would have sounded pretty damn good in 2004. Actually I would have laughed in the face of anyone who suggested that.
charlie varrick said:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Things may not have been at their peak upon Mack’s arrival in Austin but they were a little bit better than when DKR started on the forty acres.
“We found the facilites were really subpar. I was shocked at those facilities. The entire coaching staff was in one office. Now, I don’t know how you can operate that way. The practice field had big ol’ goat-head sticker burrs…..”
From- “Coach Royal: Conversations with a Texas Football Legend”
Link
Another difference, Darrell did not need two ex-head coaches on his staff to find out what tough meant.
Huckleberry said:
November 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Conference championships is the clear losing point in the comparison, but Stoops’ record is currently 114-28 at Oklahoma.
One more note: If you remove the two OU blowouts from the point totals, Mack’s teams have scored 2.06 points for every one allowed. But you can’t throw them out, and I don’t want to. I should stop thinking about them because as some of you know, I will never forgive Brown for those two games. Ever. Well, I’ve given one exception. Beat OU by 53+ points. Twice.
Woody Bombay said:
November 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Who leads in extended-arm clapping?
Mack Goddamn Brown, that’s who.
lurkerinthedark said:
November 9th, 2009 at 11:37 am
So let’s fire him. Is Fran still available?
[sarcasm]
Scipio Tex said:
November 9th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Is is it possible for us to put up some interesting data reflective of the revival we’ve had under Brown without the uncreative potshots?
There’s a time and place for criticizing, but Jesus some of this shit doesn’t have to be endlessly restated.
maninblack said:
November 9th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Exactly Scip. Mack Brown has done a masterful job resurrecting this program. He brought our first National Championship in 30+ years and we are on the verge of playing for another. We are perennially ranked in the top 5-10 and will be for some time. I can realize his flaws but also admit that I wouldn’t take anyone other than Mack as our head coach.
spider said:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Mack is 65-6 at home, 44-9 on the road, and 15-11 in neutral site games.
My shaky count is that Royal was 86-14-2 at home; 64-17-1 on the road; and 20-13-2 at neutral sites, but that’s for his whole career.
I also didn’t put my glasses on, so YMMV.
spider said:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Nope, that’s wrong. I managed to move three losses to the win column somewheres.
Drat.
Huckleberry said:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
First 50 games: 37-13
Next 50 games: 44-6
Last 50 games: 43-7
Those last two figures deserve a “Holy shit.” In our last 100 games we’re 87-13. That includes 3 BCS games, all wins of course. In our 100 games preceding Mack, we were 58-40-2.
If we win on Saturday our all-time winning percentage will move over .720, a level it was last over right before we lost 33-32 to Texas Tech in Lubbock on October 29, 1988.
spider said:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
OK, looking at Royal’s first 150 games only, he was
58-12-1 at home
45-7-1 on the road
17-5-1 at neutral sites
Again, my numbers are wholly untrustworthy.
spider said:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Aaaaaaaaand I misplaced three games.
Again.
I’m, like, the Colorado Buffaloes of math or something.
AZHorn said:
November 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Three things come to mind when Mack Brown comes up as a coach.
First, he’s turned Texas into a recruiting juggernaut. I would argue the success he has had through his last 100 games has just as much to do with the talent he’s brought to the 40 acres as his coaching.
Second, class. I think this helps with recruiting immensely, players know his word means something and he’s not gonna pull a Stoops on them. Beyond that, the only dumbshits that question the integrity of our program are the inbreds of Oklahoma.
Third, Will Muschamp. I don’t know who had what to do with getting him to come here but Mack had to sign off on it. Every game I watch for the next several years (hopefully the rest of my life) and a big smile comes across my face at the beginning of a defensive series for us, I will thank Mack for bringing Coach Boom onboard.
Roach said:
November 9th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
I would point out that the fact OU is not only a conference opponent but a divisional opponent has to have a significant effect on our combined fortunes. For example, if OU was in the north division, would UNL-OU be the rivalry UT-OU is? Certainly before the merger, OU-UNL was a major college rivalry on par with our own. I wonder if the lack of a nationally interesting game (sorry CU) has hastened Nebraska’s fall. Would OU also have lost touch with their Texas recruiting base and be relegated to Nebraska’s sorry state?
Since I attended Texas at the very end of the dying SWC, I would be interested in hearing some comparisons of the SWC to the BIG 12 back when the SWC consisted of actual winning teams with real national championship aspirations. My own admittedly short term memory is that the BIG 12 is a far tougher conference than the SWC, present year not withstanding.
On a side note I don’t understand the distinction between “good recruiter” and “good coach” in college football they are not separate entities. At least not for the head coach. Mack may not be the best in the country, but he’s in the top 5 by any measurable standard. As Bill Parcels says “you are what your record says you are”
BarkingCarnivore said:
November 9th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
I love comparing numbers and stats to try and draw interesting comparisons and connections. But I think it’s also important to color the numbers with relevant context.
The biggest contextual bias that comes to my mind with these numbers is: Mack Brown is the coach in the age of scholarship limitations.
I wasn’t alive in 1957. Or 1970, for that matter. But it seems to me there’s a lot more parity in the game of college football than there was when Royal coached. The juggernauts of college football are not as untouchable. Anyone can lose to almost anyone. Stunning upsets aren’t stunning anymore when I watch sportcenter.
With Mack’s recruiting prowess, how good would our teams be if we got the recruits we currently got, plus all of A&M’s good ones, and all the ones the Sooners got from the state of Texas?
I think this makes Mack’s accomplishments all the more impressive. You just can’t recruit an invincible force of raw talent anymore. You have to build a relatively sleek unit and get them to execute at an extremely high efficiency very consistently.
I’m sure Royal was able to do this, as well. I just wasn’t around to witness it. I’m sure happy with Mack, though, I’ll tell you that. And I don’t think he’s an X’s and O’s genius . . . but it’s clear he has a firm grasp of how to build an organization that evaluates talent well, and gives them the tools and motivation to develop their talent, and gets them to execute with remarkable consistency. More consistency than any other coach or program in the country right now.
TOR said:
November 9th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Funny how the wins against OU evened out once all of Blakes’ kids were gone, ain’t it?
The scholarship limits kinda make it apples and oranges, imho. But we all know where the boat-anchor is in the coaching staff.
bigdukesix said:
November 9th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I can realize his flaws but also admit that I wouldn’t take anyone other than Mack as our head coach.
That’s at the opposite end of the spectrum from irrational criticism, and is an equally flawed position. Somewhere in between the two is the Golden Mean.
BornaHorn said:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Can we now edit posts? “Parody” changed to “parity” when I hit F5.
uthookem said:
November 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am
AZHorn – very nice summary.