Barking Carnival — Blog — Aggies Offically Achieve Baylor Stature

We have now reached the day on which a football game played between the Texas A&M Aggies and the Texas Tech Red Raiders will not be televised. Period.

That is extraordinary, in the context of the last 20 years, anyway.

Think about it: Would you have imagined even 3 years ago that things would get so bad at the Aggie program that their game with their “arch-rival” (according to the Tech website) Red Raiders would not sell out at Jones Stadium? Officials at Tech are so worried about game attendance that they’re not even allowing pay-per-view on this thing.

So the Aggies have now reached a low that has in recent years belonged pretty much only to Baylor in the Big 12 South. A program that not only doesn’t sell out games at home (they’re struggling to put 65,000 real Aggie butts in seats at Kyle this year), they also have become a real impediment to opponents being able to sell out when they play on the road.

All of which make me wonder how much longer the folks at Texas Tech will want to continue referring to the Aggies – who last won a game in Lubbock in 1993 – as their “arch-rival”.

The utter and complete collapse of Aggie football is now complete. What keeps getting missed in the old dinosaur media, though, is that this really just represents a return to non-player-buying normal for the A&M program historically.

Sure, the Aggies had a nice run, financed by the swelled coffers of Bum Bright, from 1984 through the end of the 20th century. It was nothing earth-shaking, of course, but a nice run. They beat hated “tu” 10 times in 11 years, and the problem that created for the school’s administrators is that an entire generation of young Aggies grew up thinking this was, like, the norm or something.

But when one looks back through the decades at the Aggie football fortunes, one sees that what has happened in College Station over the last 8 or 9 years is just a return to the program’s normal equilibrium. Think about it: The Ags had a few nice seasons under Emory Bellard in the ’70s, one championship season under Gene Stallings in the ’60s (during a season in which everyone else in the SWC was down), a couple of bang-up years in the ’50s under Bear Bryant, and then you have to go back to the ’30s and the teens to find actual football accomplishments on the field of play.

So, mediocrity or worse is just basically where the Aggie program has always ended up finding its state of normality. Younger Aggies are just now finding that out, and learning how to deal with that reality. Given the program’s debt-ridden current status and inability to sell game tickets, they way they’re dealing with it appears to be to focus on other things.

The Texas Tech “rivalry” is no longer a rivalry in any real sense of that word. Aggie attention would be better focused on the vaunted Highway 6 rivalry with the Baylor Bears.

That’s the new reality at College Station, which is simply the program’s traditional reality. Aggies, always big on tradition, should have no problem dealing with that.

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109 Responses

uthookem said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 7:40 am

This makes me smile.
beowulf said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 am

It’s also nice that, for the most part, we no longer see mindless posts from misinformed Horn fans that Texas and the Big 12 are better served to have a stong and competetive Aggie football team in College Station.

Horeshit.

Historically Texas achieves its lofty national goals when A&M serves as a lowly doormat for us as we wipe our dirty shoes on them during Thanksgiving on the way to bigger and better and greener pastures.

Mack learned this after the 1999 bonfire game and re-learned it in 2007.

A&M is where they belong again and where they traditionally fit and feel at ease with themselves and the world. Makes all the Aggies a bit better folks, too. Good losers, horrendous winners.
Noonan said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 am

aTm – Building towards a return to mediocrity! (Whooop!)
EyesOfTX said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 am

Beowulf – the only part of that I’d take issue with is that I’ve never known Aggies to be particularly good losers, either. :)
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 am

“Good losers, horrendous winners.”

They truly are horrendous winners. They’re just not accustomed to it, and don’t know how to act (see their 3-0 start this year, and the NC and Heisman talk that accompanied it, without the understanding that they had beaten three of the worst teams in college football). Next thing you know, it’s conference time, and you’re down 59-0 with 10:00 remaining in the third quarter.
Blueshorn said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 am

Nice summation of aTm irrelevance. History has righted itself. Life is good.
johnnymac said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 am

“Sure, the Aggies had a nice run, financed by the swelled coffers of Bum Bright, from 1984 through the end of the 20th century. It was nothing earth-shaking, of course, but a nice run. They beat hated “tu” 10 times in 11 years, and the problem that created for the school’s administrators is that an entire generation of young Aggies grew up thinking this was, like, the norm or something.”

================

This is about the most cogent thing that can be said about the Ags these days. They have no clue. The older ones don’t like being embarrassed, of course, but the annoying part is the younger ones who feel all entitled and the like and think it’s just a matter of finding a coach “who can recruit.”

Please. You can’t embrace all of your farmer cult “traditions” and demand conformity from newcomers and then expect that blue chip recruits from urban areas and states outside of Texas will just willingly sign up.

Don’t get me wrong, recruiting is indeed the problem, but if you’re a lower level D1 recruit who isn’t going to USC or Texas or OU or LSU and has to go to a 2nd tier program out in the sticks instead, at least Mississippi State (or Baylor or Iowa State or Kansas State or Colorado State or Purdue or Troy or whoever) doesn’t have a pretend redneck army and a Jim Jones-esque hatred of outsiders.

“From the inside you can’t explain it”… but most people don’t want to go inside in the first place.
Woody Bombay said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 am

Are they still winning halftime?
ghostofagroundgame said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 am

Any sympathy I ever had for aggy football went the way of the dinosaur when they started hitting our quarterbacks late (and I mean after the whistle late) with such consistency that it had to be part of the game plan. That being said, it pleases me to watch them fall as it only helps us with recruiting. We do need to start more regularly beating them, however, as they have shown a tendency to beat us more frequently than any other Big 12 team not named Oklahoma over the last 5 years. Once that happens then I will feel better about enjoying their demise.
uthookem said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:34 am

Woody, please. They have NEVER lost halftime.
ballrific said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 am

agreed and thank god they don’t have fran anymore to run circles around greg davis…I’d like to think coach boom and his D would have at least saved us in that 07′ abortion, with chiznickdick already having a foot out the door to…..iowa st. douchebag.
Trips Right said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 am

Great post EOT. I graduated in ‘96, so I’m getting special satisfaction out of the decline since the aggies owned us at the time.

My freshman year, we had unfettered access to the Capitol building and used our hidden perch there to fire 3-man slingshot water balloons full of orange dye onto their yell practice. Juvenile? Yes. Fun? You betcha.
HenryJames said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:46 am

9/11 changed everything.
ghostofagroundgame said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:51 am

HJ –

Best. Post. Ever.
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 am

“I’d like to think coach boom and his D would have at least saved us in that 07′ abortion”

We scored 30 points in that game, IIRC. That would have been enough.

Of course, “vital” senior members of that defense wouldn’t have been playing under Muschamp, besides garbage snaps.
aggy said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 am

all u dern t-sips dont know nuffin about fightin’ texas aggie foosball. we done never lost a game. Ags just run out of time!! WHOOOOOOOOOP!!!!
Levander Williams said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 am

The truth hurts.

For those ags who are about my age and became accustomed to the ill-begotten success of the 90s, I see a lot of palpable bitterness. Not only has their program returned to the historical norm of mediocrity, but Texas has secured a seat at the ‘grown-up’ table.
The Emperor said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 am

The utter and complete collapse of Aggie football is now complete.

“Oh no, young Aggy. You will find that it is you who are mistaken – about a great many things.”
houstonearler said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 am

After Tech wins this weekend, they can even the all-time record against aggy if they win next year at Kyle Field.
ballrific said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 am

my bad nordberg, when was the 12-7 franochio debacle where they tried to hurt colt, as he was already injured with chiz and snead out the door? That’s the game I was referencing.
t1climb1 said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 am

Sure, the Aggies had a nice run, financed by the swelled coffers of Bum Bright, from 1984 through the end of the 20th century. It was nothing earth-shaking, of course, but a nice run. They beat hated “tu” 10 times in 11 years, and the problem that created for the school’s administrators is that an entire generation of young Aggies grew up thinking this was, like, the norm or something.

This bears reading again. I am of this generation (born in 75) so by the time I became old enough to start paying attention A&M was winning. I fell into the trap of thinking they were a powerhouse. That is until I learned of the all time record and then understood this was an anomoly representing a brief hiccup in the timeline.

Fun fact, if A&M wins this year and every year until 2047, only then will they even the all time series with Texas. Chew on that one aggies.
NM99 said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 am

johnnymac -

“finding a coach ‘who can recruit.’”

Yes. The aggies are finally realizing that they didn’t know how good they had it with RC, and most would probably gladly return to those days where at least they could stay above .500. Fortunately for the rest of us, the continuous aggie fan interference seems to be turning the head coach position into a revolving door that I can’t imagine would entice any quality coach.

“You can’t…expect that blue chip recruits from urban areas and states outside of Texas will just willingly sign up.”

Unfortunately, places like Lufkin and Tyler seem to be breeding grounds for aggie recruits that continually produce a couple of solid guys a year that can think of nothing better to do than play aggie football. Jim Jones is appropriate, as these kids seem to drink the kool-aid at an early age.
kuoirad said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 am

So does this mean that aTm is analogous to KSUck in its history, especially against “Big Brother”? Funny.
Magnificent Bastard said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 am

The agroids made this week’s ESPN.com bottom 10 at the coveted 5-spot.
EyesOfTX said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 10:56 am

“Yes. The aggies are finally realizing that they didn’t know how good they had it with RC, and most would probably gladly return to those days where at least they could stay above .500.”

=================

Even more to the overall point, they’re realizing how good they had it with Fran.

Ouch.

Hook ‘em!!!
mikimo said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:10 am

http://vimeo.com/7176852
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 am

The reality is, A&M changed in the 80s (not because of cheating, because texas was cheating too as evidenced by their multiple violations at that time as well) to become a true flagship school with a strong nationally recognized reputation. Not to mention the school’s population grew leaps and bounds to now over 48,000.

To suggest that A&M is going to go back to being a small military all male school because that’s what it was for most of it’s life is absurd. And the idea that A&M, one of the largest, best schools in the country and with plenty of football resources is going to continue to struggle like they are now is equally ridiculous, but I’d expect nothing less from a horn.

A&M has beaten you heads up in all athletics the last 2 years running and has the Lone Star Showdown trophies to show for it. A&M has beaten you 2 out of the last 3 in football (and you better believe you’re in for a game on Thanksgiving night). But you guys don’t care about reality so just disregard this post….
Aggie Kool-Aid said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 am

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

You tell ‘em Reality! Hold the rope!
EyesOfTX said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 am

You and all your buds just keep telling yourselves, that, dude. :)

Hook ‘em!!!
alma said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 am

Reality, I agree with you. Please keep the status quo at A&M. A&M’s recent athletic successes will undoubtedly continue unabated.
dasmithjones said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:22 am

Sympathetic response: for those of you with loved ones who made the mistake of being aggy, you must implore them that if they are to have any hope of happiness for the remainder of their adults lives that they absolutely must, must, must go through Fish Camp Deprogramming from a qualified practicioner.
milksteak said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 am

Reality:

http://tinyurl.com/yfyv8fh
dasmithjones said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 am

Reality; okay.
uthookem said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 am

Please provide some proof on the “multiple Texas violations” that had a direct impact on improved athletic performance and unfair advantage against competitors.

And you are certainly correct, you have the Lone Star Showdown, which includes all of the sports that don’t matter. Congrats, you have a good women’s athletic program and a decent “small men’s sports” athletic program. When women’s soccer is your cowbell and you get a hard-on for winning a men’s golf championship, you are officially off the radar of college athletics that matter.
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:29 am

Reality: You were losing to a shitty team by 59 early in the third quarter last week, on the same day that Texas beat OU, once again. And you want to fire your coach, but you can’t afford to. That’s reality.

You meantioned the lone star showdown thingy… where track and field counts more than football and basketball combined. I don’t think anyone here cares about that.
bigdukesix said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 am

and you better believe you’re in for a game on Thanksgiving night

Technically correct, as there will be a football game involving the University of Texas on Thanksgiving evening. It won’t be a *competitive* game, though.
EyesOfTX said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 am

uthookem: Texas did get hit with very minor sanctions for a set of very minor alleged violations back in 1982/83 time frame. Nothing in comparison to the multiple probations and near death penalty sanctions A&M got hit with during the ’80s/early ’90s, but enough for the morons among their fan base to point a finger and scream “you ‘uns done done it too!”

Hook ‘em!!!
Bob in Houston said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 am

“A&M has beaten you heads up in all athletics the last 2 years running and has the Lone Star Showdown trophies to show for it.”

Actually, this is not true. The Aggies *retained* the trophy because it had it and the schools tied last year.
Bob in Houston said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 am

Still doesn’t mean anyone at Texas gives a flip about it.
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:53 am

Wow. Sorry guys. I thought you didn’t care about poor ol’ A&M.

I guess you are just happy to see their misery. I get that and most rivalries are that way.

A&M is an up and coming program, they will finish this year with more wins than last year, and behind Sherman and their improved recruiting they will return to being a powerhouse.

I wonder if Mack leaves before then and if Muschamp can sustain where they are now?
t1climb1 said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 am

I love that an aggie posts under the handle “reality”. That would be like Jeffrey Dahmer’s chatroom name being “vegetarian”. Reality and aggie fan have not been on a first name basis for generations.
johnnymac said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Reality, that is absolutely the quintessential Aggie response.

“We have great facilities and we’re big and we have money so we should have a good football team!”

Yes, you have all that stuff. But so does Oklahoma State. So does Texas Tech. So does Kansas.

But you also have nut-grabbing, play soldiers, spurs, a scoreboard for a dead dog, and an incredible zeal for persecuting anyone on the inside who shows the slightest bit of unconformity.

Despite what you Aggies might tell yourselves, that extra stuff is not a plus in the eyes of most people.
Tim\'s Bleeding Vagina said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:08 pm

“A&M is an up and coming program”

buwhahahaha.
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm

Yes, you have all that stuff. But so does Oklahoma State. So does Texas Tech. So does Kansas.

But the reality is A&M’s revenue is bigger than all of theirs. Here’s the top 9 in the big XII.

Big 12 Schools ranked by total subtotal

1. University of Texas $89,651,682

2. Texas A&M University $64,180,453

3. University of Nebraska $55,876,334

4. University of Kansas $50,826,019

5. Texas Tech University $47,961,420

6. University of Missouri $46,812,603

7. Kansas State University $39,884,220

8. University of Colorado $35,851,791

9. Iowa State University $28,913,010

And here’s just football:

Big 12 Schools ranked by football subtotal

1. University of Texas $53,204,171

2. Texas A&M University $38,359,977

3. University of Colorado $22,053,568

4. University of Nebraska $20,671,989

5. Kansas State University $19,954,558

6. Texas Tech University $19,313,596

7. University of Missouri $15,907,400

8. Iowa State University $11,456,935

9. University of Kansas $9,820,329

Baylor doesn’t report, but we all know they aren’t up there. I didn’t see OU in any of the stat rankings…probably because they didn’t submit their numbers.

http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show_field_rank

And A&M’s facilities, academics, and FB stadium is bigger than all those you listed.

So welcome back to me, hornfan.
Bill Byrne said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm

I’m asking Reality and all Aggy fans to show up in force for our Halloween game against Iowa State. To “jazz” things up I’ve borrowed from the promotional spirit of Bill Veck and the first 70,000 paying customers get a free bat.

Your leader, Double B
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm

“they will finish this year with more wins than last year”

Christ, you went 4-8 last year. And you need wins over Iowa State and Baylor to get you to that magical 5-6 record, and I don’t know if you can do that.

Now think for a second about how sad that last sentence is.
Horncasting said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

“plenty of football resources”

Is there a plan in place for paying those resources back?
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Nordberg,

The reality is, you went through some tough times and Baylor losses not that long ago. It would be like A&M saying then what you are saying now to their fans.
Vasherized said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

By up and coming he means they are driving up the hill a littler further to drive off an even higher cliff.

Right now they’re in the first second of free fall where the system adapts to this exciting new state of being — it’s like weightlessness but it’s called winlessness.

It all seems just fine until you look down.
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Yeah Horncasting, look at the numbers. Aggy is in such financial trouble, LOL!
Cincohorn said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm

Reality – the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints and China have also grown enormously. Still, I don’t see alot of inner city kids heading there to play football anytime soon.
HenryJames said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm

Look at the numbers.

Aggy is in such financial trouble. LOL!
EyesOfTX said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm

There you go again – confusing Reality with facts. Wait, does that sentence make sense?

Hook ‘em!!!
hg03 said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm

I hope the lone star whatever keeps aggies warm in january.
Cincohorn said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm

HJ – In Reality’s financial world, there is only revenue.
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

If Aggy is in financial trouble, imagine all those schools below them in total revenue.

And Cinco, why did Matthews pick A&M over texas? I guess he wasn’t inner city enough.
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm

Revenue is the most important thing in this discussion yes.

Yes A&M has to pay back an inter university loan, or redistribution of funds within the system. As I have shown, they are one of the most capable in the conference at repaying it (contrary to your doom and gloom article).

But go ahead and plug your ears and hum, A&M will pass you up again.
Ghost of Harvey Penick said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm

I knew when aggy swept the meat judging last year it was the beginning of the end for us…We’ll never get our hands back on the Lone Star Light trophy…
Ghost of Harvey Penick said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

“And Cinco, why did Matthews pick A&M over texas? I guess he wasn’t inner city enough.”

When I think inner city, the Matthews family is always the first to come to mind…
limonjello said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm

Things Aggy is not good at, starting at the top:

1. Football

2. Finance
johnnymac said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm

49-9: &#$% Sips!

2 out of 3! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

2 out of 9! &#$% Sips!

2 out of 3! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

4 out of 19! &#$% Sips!

10 out of 11! WOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

14 out of 30! &#$% Sips!

4 out of 6!: WOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

18 out of 43!: &#$% Sips!

1967!: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

19 out of 53!: &#$% Sips!

1956!: WOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

20 out of 57!: &#$% Sips!

1951! WOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

21 out of 61!: &#$% Sips!

1948! Moral Victory! WOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

(redacted)

36 out of 103 + 5 moral victories!: HOLD THE ROPE!

Reality, you’re correct, we are not regressing to the historical norm. There are now girls in Aggieland.
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 pm

With you posting that nonsense I can see my work is done here.

You have come full circle in your argument.

You claim A&M was bad historically so they will now return to their historical place.

But as I have shown, A&M is anything but what you think they are.

To which you say, but “They used to be bad” which proves nothing about the future of A&M, one of the top revenue football programs in the Big XII and every bit your equal in all athletics and academics. That’s not they way it used to be. But things change.

AND THAT’S REALITY!
Levander Williams said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Delusion and bitterness.

Interesting combination.
ghostofagroundgame said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Reality –

“And the idea that A&M, one of the largest, best schools in the country” is a total and complete fantasy.

As is the idea that somehow, a school is a race-baiting history rivaled by no other’s, in a podunk town far from any urban center, with a bizarrely backwards proto-fascist student body culture will ever compete with the modern recruiting powerhouses. No matter how much $$ you throw at those problems they will not change, because they are structural.
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm

I’m going to start ignoring every post made by one of our “visitors” here. What fucking planet do some of you come from? I mean,

“To which you say, but “They used to be bad” which proves nothing about the future of A&M, one of the top revenue football programs in the Big XII and every bit your equal in all athletics and academics. That’s not they way it used to be. But things change.

AND THAT’S REALITY!”

Christ! Is this supposed to make sense? And tell you what, go ask a random sample of people outside of College Station if a&m is the equal of Texas in all athletics and academics, and report back with your findings.
It is exactly that mindset that makes you so people so fucking backwards. You’d be much better off if you just realized that you’ve always been second banana, and you’ll always be second banana. Well, in football you’re more like fifth banana, but you get my point.
Batshit Delusion said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Reality – I hate to be the one to break it to you, but aggy hasn’t loved you for years. Oh, I’m sure y’all were a real sizzling couple back in ‘39. Probably danced the Charleston a lot and did some wingwalking. But over the years you’ve become too much for aggy to bear. You’ve been described as “cold”, “hard” (and not in a good way) and “a bitch”. Meantime, aggy has really taken a liking to me. I don’t know if its the cool name, my bitching Camaro, the jorts or my Nickelback collection. Anywho, since you’re obviously ignorant to … well, your name, aggy wanted me to tell you its over. You can pick up your economy size drum of anal lube at her lawyer’s and that should pretty much wrap things up.
CVictoryJoyously said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Nordberg just gave me an excuse to post this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ZAGBL6UBA

It’s what was running through my mind while reading Reality’s posts anyway.
Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm

When you hit horns with Reality, they fight back by playing the race card, or playing the role of a city slicker to A&M’s poor farmers.

A&M is ranked higher academically through independent sources than everyone else in the Big XII except texas. Recently A&M was named to the NSF top 20 research institutions and is the only Texas institution to rank in the NSF’s Top 20 for 2009.

A&M is one of the biggest in the Big XII in student population, revenues, etc.

A&M’s so-called “structural” problems haven’t prevented it from being all these things.

But go ahead and keep thinking they’re a bunch of hicks….
ghostofagroundgame said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Oh Reality,

What the hell is the deal with the dude cheerleaders and the nut grabbing? Also the fake exaggerated accents in your cheers? And building your entire “fight” sing around your dislike for a school that considers you at best a distant second in the rivalry game? Plus the overalls??
ghostofagroundgame said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:04 pm

BTW — those are some examples of the “structural” absurdities built into the foundation of your agricultural and mechanical juggernaut.

in fairness, y’all make great veterinarians.
Bill Byrne's Secretary said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:04 pm

Bill,

I saw on the internet that some Aggies don’t care about profitability, as long as they can point to a revenue number. We may be able to make considerable PR gains by only reporting revenues in the future. Just FYI.

Also, congratulations to Coach Sherman are in order. I had no idea what danger he was in on those recruiting visits to Sugarland! However, our newly established pipeline to inner city Houston will surely continue to pay dividends!

On another note, are you still coming over tonight? I got a new bra and panties for you to try on. XOXO
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

“A&M is ranked higher academically through independent sources than everyone else in the Big XII except texas.”

How can this be? You’re our equal, remember?

You’re also our equal in athletics, despite the fact that in football we win 10 games and win bowl games every year, and we’re always in the top five, and we went to the CWS championship series last year in baseball, and will start off possibly #1 in the country next year, and we’ll probably be ranked in the top three in basketball, and and and….. All this fucking shit that you’ve never done. But yeah, you’re our equal.
houstonearler said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm

aggy two top 5 finishes-ever. One in 1939 after they beat Tulane to claim a MNC. One in 1956.

Reality is they have done very little outside of 10 years when they were cheating. Historically, they are a lot closer to what we’ve seen on average the last 15 years than they 10 year outlier from 1984 to 1994
kuoirad said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:17 pm

With the comments from the aggy, this continues to sound *alot* what I”m used to hearing out of KSUck fans. It’s not a perfect analogy, KU != UT, but it all sounds the same…
Bob in Houston said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:19 pm

OK, Reality:

Every year since the Ags won the Big 12 CG, Texas has won more football games. Over the 10 years, Texas has averaged four more wins (41 more victories). This year will make the deficit much worse.

How long do the Ags get to bring things up to speed, football-wise?
johnnymac said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm

The only people buying into that “A&M is UT’s equal” are the Aggie politicians in Austin who memoralize their penis envy into the law and think throwing money at College Station will make it so…. Kind of like your athletics argument, Reality.
fritz said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm

From the URL describing ATM’s financial problems:

“In retrospect, it is inconceivable to me how this situation was allowed to fester for so many years without proper action being taken,” Elsa Murano, then A&M’s president, wrote in an April memo to system regents reviewing the situation.

I’m starting to understand why she received those horrible marks from McKinney now.
EyesOfTX said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

The true disparity between the Texas and the A&M football programs is illustrated clearly in the new 50th Anniversary edition of Dave Campbell’s Texas Football that hit the stands this week. There is a section titled “Top 50 Most Memorable Teams”. This includes high school, college and pro teams from Texas over the last 50 years. Some notable outtakes from this section:

#1 team – 1969 Texas Longhorns. Undefeated National Champions
#3 team – 2005 Texas Longhorns. Undefeated National Champions
#8 team – 1963 Texas Longhorns. Undefeated National Champions
#9 team – 1985 Texas A&M Aggies. 10-2. Beat Auburn in the Cotton Bowl
#16 team – 1983 Texas Longhorns. 11-1. Came up one play short of winning the national championship
#17 team – 1994 Texas A&M Aggies. 10-0-1. On probation. Inelligible for the post season. Had to forfeit SWC title
#25 team – 1967 Texas A&M Aggies. 7-4. Beat Alabama in the Cotton Bowl
#29 team – 1990 Texas Longhorns. 10-2. Lost to Miami in the Cotton Bowl

#39 team – 1992 Texas A&M Aggies. 12-1. Lost to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl
#48 team – 1970 Texas Longhorns. 10-1. UPI National Champions.

National Champions: Texas 4, A&M 0
Undefeated teams: Texas 3, A&M 0
Teams inelligible for postseason play: A&M 1, Texas 0
Teams that had to forfeit championships: A&M 1, Texas 0
Highest-ranked Team of the last 50 years: Texas, #1 (four times), A&M #6 (twice)

3 high school teams, and the 1974 Baylor Bears were ranked ahead of the most highly-ranked A&M team.
Vasherized said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:29 pm

At the end of the year we’re going to host a Retard Olympics where tim, 3 MNC In A Row, Shaggy Aggy, Reality, and ipowers enter the BC Octagon.

HenryJames can officiate.
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:32 pm

Notice it’s just one guy saying this shit and he’s not half as annoying as Tim. Most Agriculturalists I know just shut up when the football subject is broached, and try to turn the subject to taxidermy every chance they get.

A&M produces good wives from what I’ve seen. I’ll give them that. I’ll have to remind my friends that are married to Aggettes, to keep a close eye on the family finances though.

Reality, just be submissive on this one.
Blueshorn said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Thanks again for posting this, Eyes.

The Texas A&M Reality Creed:

“Doing Less With More Than Any School In The Big 12!” Whooooop!
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm

3 MNC in a row with the quickest victory in octagon history. Solely on the strength of his confusing ’scapula’ and ’scalp.’

Hold up, I just looked at the roster once more. Ipowers might pull out some old school East Oakland corner hustler shit and win it.

Then again, Reality might buy off the other participants with all his “revenue.”

HJ has his hands full (hand job pun kind of intended, just so no one else makes it.)
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm

“The Texas A&M Reality Creed:

“Doing Less With More Than Any School In The Big 12!” Whooooop!”

This is true. Being the second-largest school in a state like Texas should alone be good enough for 7 wins a year. They’ve worked really hard over the years to fuck up this badly.
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Out of the three super power states for football, TX, CA, and FLA, we have nine prestigous to semi-prestigous football schools.

Texas, Tech, and A&M
USC, UCLA, and CAL
FSU, MIAMI, and FLA

Now it would be one thing to only be the worst one of this bunch, but as the landscape plays out this year, they’re also behind TCU, UH, Stanford, and USF. Had Griffin not gotten hurt, you’d be behind Baylor as well.

Did I miss any?
Magnificent Bastard said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Magnus – UTEP has a signature win…
ghostofagroundgame said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Magnus –

Wouldn’t you seriously consider taking Fresno State over them?
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

I forgot about Fresno St. Matthews would run all over them. I’d take them yes.

UTEP is a coin flip. Is the game being played in the shadows of Hand Job Mountain (trips line, not mine) or near Gattiland?
Jigglebilly said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

What in the fuck is the Lone Star Showdown?
Cincohorn said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm

Reality is right. The Matthews family from Sugar Land (two words) with their deep aggy roots is the best example i can think of where the Aggy program has reached out and grabbed the heart of inner city America. No way could a Matthews have fit in at all white male academy back in the day, which must be why his dad chose USC. Still, it’s not quite as diverse as BYU, where they landed Ross Apo.
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:14 pm

Jiggle,

It’s something for Aggie to hang their hat on. It’s comprised of a list of sports that make the Highland Games sound up to date.

1. Caber tossing—Aggie has this chick from Caldwell that’s been wrecking our shit in this event. We were finally set to compete in this one, but B. Burnette got kicked out.

2. Archery—Don’t tell anybody, but we brought in Geena Davis to compete in this one. Atlanta ‘96 didn’t go too well for her, but since nobody’s seen her since that care went off the cliff, she shouldn’t be recognized.

3. Cross country (carrying deer carcass, barefoot)—As was stated in an earlier post, this is where having Lufkin locked up usually helps. This is why they recrutied Carrington Byndom (his slilght muscular frame was ideal for the distance runs) but once he got wind of their true intentions, he was ours. Last time they offer a Lufkin kid that can get into Stanford.

4. Burroughing—-This explains the Bradley Stephens take, being from the border area and all. “We’re in a hole Harry, We just gotta keep digging.” Also applicable to Aggie financing.

Some others, I just can’t remember them all.
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

Aggie inner-city recruiting equals Corey Nelson. I hate having to make the enemy’s case for them.

Congrats on that get, by the way. Too bad your dearth of talent will maginalize his effectiveness. Muschamp wanted Nelson BAD.
spider said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm

When you hit horns with Reality, they fight back by playing the race card…

Usenet called from 1995. They want their soul-sucking tedium back.
Actual Reality said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm

Actual reality is that Texas A&M has the prestige and tradition of Michigan State. It’s nice. There’ve been some great years in there. But when you really look at it, it’s second tier. Go ahead — try to differentiate yourselves from those schools. You can’t

And this nugget… “…they will return to being a powerhouse.” When was A&M a power house? The way I remember it, they powered through some extremely weak SWC schedules in the early ’90s and generally got blown out of bowl games. They won a few good bowls in the ’80s, but were never top 5 that I recall.

Still, I think A&M is a little bit bel where they belong right now. They’ll probably get back up to consistent “8-4″ and “7-5″ level dominance soon enough.
ctex80 said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm

Another outstanding thread. EyesofTX, those numbers really do bring it home, don’t they. Ouch.
nordberg said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm

I don’t know how ags can talk about ‘their rightful place as a powerhouse’ with a straight face when they haven’t finished in the top 5 in 50 years.
EyesOfTX said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 2:58 pm

“I don’t know how ags can talk about ‘their rightful place as a powerhouse’ with a straight face when they haven’t finished in the top 5 in 50 years.”

Make that “ever”.

Hook ‘em!!!
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Alright fellas, let’s just get our friend Reality a cigarette and blindfold.
Cincohorn said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm

magnus – the Nelson commit (for now) is classic aggy moral victory.
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 3:38 pm

HUN
magnusbleuveigner said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm

DREDTH!
MajnunRedfoot said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Actual Reality, I was thinking along the same lines as you were when you mentioned that A&M was alot like Michigan State. It’s almost the perfect analogy, right down to Michigan’s real rival being toothless yokels from a pathetic neighboring state.
blackscholes said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 pm

Batshit Delusion FTW.
jimjar said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pm

“To “jazz” things up I’ve borrowed from the promotional spirit of Bill Veck and the first 70,000 paying customers get a free bat.”

Bill Byrne, you crack me up….I couldn’t stop laughing for at least 5 minutes. Well played.
Horn7 said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 pm

Reality, bullshit on your revenue numbers! Your ags are 23rd in the country!

http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/
BEHorn said:

October 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm

“Recently A&M was named to the NSF top 20 research institutions and is the only Texas institution to rank in the NSF’s Top 20 for 2009.”

Is it possible to be a top research institution while being simultaneously incapable of keeping your football stadium bat-shit free? One wonders …
Week 8 picks | It Ain't Gambling said:

October 24th, 2009 at 5:28 am

[...] KSU 62 Aggies 14: WIN Talk about easy money and fun to watch. Utterly disappointing that this week’s Tech/Aggie showdown will not be televised at all. [...]
Reality returns said:

October 24th, 2009 at 6:14 am

“Think about it: Would you have imagined even 3 years ago that things would get so bad at the Aggie program that their game with their “arch-rival” (according to the Tech website) Red Raiders would not sell out at Jones Stadium? Officials at Tech are so worried about game attendance that they’re not even allowing pay-per-view on this thing.”

Doesn’t seem to jibe with Biggest Crowd in History

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/aggies/Record_crowd_expected_to_greet_Aggies_tonight_in_Lubbock.html
Magnus Bleuveigner said:

October 24th, 2009 at 6:18 am

Jimjar,

Thanks for making me rethink that one. I read right over that. I knew Veck was the guy that did crazy promotions and used midget Eddie Gaedel to walk on four pitches.

Bat as in the furry bird, not Wonderboy. Cleverly played.
panchoclaus said:

October 24th, 2009 at 9:50 am

Reality – the NSF did not name Texas A&M a “top 20 research institution.” The report (http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf09318/nsf09318.pdf) just says you were 20th in the amount of federal money spent on science and engineering research and development. And that number probably changes significantly year-to-year based on a few high-cost grants (like you might find in an agricultural or engineeriing study).

You guys and Ohio State seemed to be the only schools who gave a shit enough to send out a press release claiming greatness.

Congratulations. MD Anderson was right behind you. You’re behind such stalwarts as OSU, Pitt, UCSD, and UC Davis. All good schools, but with a science and tech focus.

You can read the report yourself. The same report lists Texas #4 in non-S&E expenditures, ahead of Harvard.

Retard.

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Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 8 hours, 20 minutes ago

Nordberg,

Ironic indeed……teachable moment, I guess….

NY Horn,

I hope your drunk, because Izzo ain’t coming to Texas……Why don’t we just get Coach K. I mean Coach G came from Duke, they have to be dying to get out of Durham….
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Egg, that’s fine, but at what point do you blame Barnes? Seriously, man. You’ve thrown players under the bus left and right, but at a certain point, doesn’t the buck stop somewhere. I know you’re more of an NBA guy so it begins and ends with players there, but we need fucking
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Egg, that’s fine, but at what point do you blame Barnes? Seriously, man. You’ve thrown players under the bus left and right, but at a certain point, doesn’t the buck stop somewhere. I know you’re more of an NBA guy so it begins and ends with players there, but we need fucking
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Trips,

I hear ya. I’m frustrated as well. I guess I just don’t prescribe to such a black and white characterization of the situation. I do know that no matter what happened in the huddle, JCB made a dumb play. If Rick didn’t explain or remind him of the situation, then I
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Pat, you know I don’t, but I’ve had coaches draw up plays to free up the best foul shooter and then tell that guy they’d put their foot up his ass if they passed the ball. It’s funny, but as a fans of football we nitpick blitz pickup and shit like that. Shit
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Pat, you know I don’t, but I’ve had coaches draw up plays to free up the best foul shooter and then tell that guy they’d put their foot up his ass if they passed the ball. It’s funny, but as fans of football we nitpick blitz pickup and shit like that. Shit that’s
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Shitty season…..Rick needs to hire some offensive help and someone needs to say it to him. Deloss?
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Trips,

Do you know that he didn’t? JCB has made bad decision all season, why would this be any different. Barnes coached a shitastic game, but on the teams I was the best FT shooter, I never game up the ball unless it was an uncontested layup…..It’s not hard and it doesn’t take a
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mcpayne, yes, you don’t leave that shit to chance. You don’t let your guys break the huddle or dead ball not knowing precisely what’s expected from them. Barnes doesn’t get 2 mil for coaching PE where he’s hoping the right guy gets fouled.
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mpayne, I’d agree with you if J’Covan had been playing all season and had been in situations to make that decision. Like, you know, against Baylor, when he played all of 3 fucking minutes thanks to rick.

So yes, it is rick’s fault.
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With 15 seconds left, out of a dead ball, most coaches would make it perfectly clear who they wanted to be fouled.
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Stupid decisions by Brown are one of the reasons he sat on the bench for most of the season…lack of coaching maybe, or just a lack of basketball IQ?

Oh well, if Brown doesn’t go off in the 2nd half, we aren’t even playing in OT. Too bad he didn’t get much of a chance
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 8 hours, 44 minutes ago

Pat, if you were making 2 million a year, would you leave that up to chance?
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 8 hours, 44 minutes ago

Actually, if your a PG and the best FT shooter on the team and played basketball your entire life, you’d pretty much know not to give up the ball if you had any brains…..Such a dumb play…..
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Oh, and a stupid decision by Brown in giving up the ball to Johnson.
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Be nice if we’d coached our 90 percent foul shooter not to give the ball up.
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Ransom,

1 for 2, that was not shitty defense……
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The line kills us, as it should have.

Fuck Rick Barnes, as this was the worst coaching I have seen in all my years of watching UT sports.

This saved us from Kentucky, but I feel bad for Damo, he was a hell of a Longhorn.

Hook ‘em!

And FUCK RICK BARNES!
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 8 hours, 47 minutes ago

Feel bad for Damion…..Dexter and Mason, not so much….
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So the season ends with missed free throws and shitty defense by Bradley. Pretty fitting.

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