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Texas Football & Road Wizardry Under Mack Brown

Posted by CloseToJumping on August 26th, 2009 under Football

A thread discussion on BurntOrangeBeat got me thinking about this and I did some simple reviewing of the Brown tenure for road games. Thought it was interesting and wondered if anyone here had anything to add, discuss, or attack.

For the purpose of simply looking at the info, you run into a few forks in terms of how people see the topic. Do you count bowl games? Do you count the OU game in Dallas? Do you count Big 12 Title games?


On Bowls

I can’t think of any reason why a bowl isn’t counted as a road game. Sure a healthy percentage of the stands include your team’s people, but you’re honestly going on the road and playing in front of a split, hostile, or indifferent crowd, not unlike an away game. I am curious about how others feel about what a bowl game environment is like for the team.

On the OU Game

This game is unusual in so many ways, and I think that makes it remarkable. It is often treated as an exception by people, even our own Athletic Department. I am not sure I agree with that behavior. That game determines the season, often enough. The environment is also the most intense, electric, and hostile place in college football, especially when one team or the other goes on tilt. I consider it a road game for both teams. I guess I am wondering if people have compelling arguments counter to that as well.

Big 12 Title Games

Texas, to our dismay, has only participated in three of these games during the Brown tenure. The first, against Nebraska in 1999, was a difficult game against a better opponent out for vengeance. The second, against Colorado in 2001, is one of the most painful performances I have ever personally witnessed and scars us all on some level as fans of this program. At a human level, I melted down after this game in ways that still make me and some obese woman in Colorado shutter. I was dead sober and still vomited up hot dogs and nachos near our car in the Texas Stadium parking lot afterwards, out of disgust and depression. A fat Colorado woman shouted at our group whilst a crane was attempting to hoist her into her oversized landbarge. She did this amongst her 3 rotund children and her excessively thin husband. She taunted us from 40 feet away with something to the effect of “Hahahaha!! Texas sucks! You choked!!! We hate your shitty state!!!” eetc. I am not sure what all I stated in response, although her husband attempted to expedite the crane delivery in ways that endangered her physically and she literally broke into tears and muttered that it was “just a game”. Apparently not. Anyway, then there is the 2005 bat down of CU to the tune of 70-3. That was cathartic in many ways, from the eventual firing of Barnett that followed to knowing that that glutton was somewhere in the vicinity, probably eating her own hand and a series of concessions from churros to burritos. In my mind, these too serve as road games. Does anyone see that differently?

The Time Period

Whoever started the discussion that carried over to the net, I believe on the radio in Dallas, was supposedly using the last 10 years. I think I understand why, as that’s a round, easy number. Added logic is that 1999 was the first year that Brown’s players were really involved with playing every down at numerous positions. 1998 was a “rebuilding year” if you will. Maybe. I included both sets of data below.

Another way to look at it would be the last 5 years, for similar logic. 5 is a round, easy number that everybody gets. It’s also post-Wazzou Holiday Bowl debacle. That game is often argued as a seminal moment for Brown. I am not sure whether it is or not, although it would make some sense to think about that whole season as a bit of a legitimate learning year for Brown. We got throttled by OU again, which proved that 2000 was not a fluke. Cow Reese was run off. We looked like shit with Mock at the helm and the offense needed some serious philosophical work. Etc. I included those numbers for kicks too.

So, the Numbers, then

Road Record from 1998 (Not Including OU, Bowls, or Big 12 Title Games) = 40-9

Road Record from 1998 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) = 54-20

Road Record from 1999 (Not Including OU, Bowls, or Big 12 Title Games) = 39-6

Road Record from 1999 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) = 51-17

Road Record from 2004 (Not Including OU, Bowls, or Big 12 Title Games) = 18-3 (losses to KSU in ’06, ATM in ’07, & Tech in ’08)

Road Record from 2004 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) = 27-5

What Does It All Mean?

I won’t pretend to have cornered even my own thoughts on how relevant all of this is. It is interesting to me, though. I think averaging a loss on the road per year for 5 years while averaging over 6 games on the road per season is significant. We’re not playing all patsies on those road trips. That includes 5 bowls (3 BCS games), a trip to the Shoe, 5 OU games, a trip to Arkansas, a trip to Lincoln, and 3 Tech games.

I am not sure how much of this production is a result of Brown’s Staff being really good at what they do regarding prep, how much is in regard to talent levels, or how we can expect this year to reflect the prior performance of the past 5 years. I feel like a lot of this can be attributed to having superior talent at the QB level, personally. McCoy and Young simply never crack. Having their kind of presence in the offensive huddle is fundamental to being a great road team on that side of the ball. Defensively, I attribute a lot of the gains to improved coaching on that side of the ball. The past 5 years has shown a road record winning percentage improvement of roughly 26% over the prior 6, which is a big jump considering the record was already good.

How do we generally feel about our ability to perform on the road as a comparison to the rest of the country’s elite teams? Do we feel like we’re going to maintain our high performance level in 2009?

I didn’t have the time to look-up anything regarding other teams, although my guess is that OU’s performance in the recent 5 years compared to the previous 5 might be close to inverted. Florida? No idea. USC? Ohio State? Etc. No idea.

In regard to 2009 on the road, we face Wyoming, OU, Baylor, Okie State, Mizzou, and ATM. We will play at least one more in a bowl and perhaps one in the Big 12 Title game. It will be our biggest test regarding total road appearances since ever if we play in the Big 12 game too. That would be 8* road games. The most we’ve played by my count is 7, in 2005. I hope the results are the same.

Thoughts?

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  1. Texas Engr said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Is this a typo?

    “Road Record from 1998 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) = 54-20″

    Based on…

    “Road Record from 1999 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) = 43-17″

    …We played 14 road games in 1998?

    Or did I miss something.

    Interesting numbers though. I’d really like to see OU’s and USC’s over the same period, if you’ve got the time.

  2. Fico said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    I believe that any game not played at your home stadium is a road game.

  3. srr50 said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    USC’s road record is 30-5 over the last five years –if you count games at Pasadena against UCLA and the Rose Bowl, which I have no problem with if you are counting Dallas every year with OU.

    USC has played road games during this stretch against Virginia, Va. Tech, Nebraska and Arkansas. Now obviously some of those programs are down, but they aren’t Central Florida or UTEP in terms of non-conference road games.

    The five losses are to Texas, Oregon State (twice), Oregon, and UCLA.

  4. Steve Nebraska said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    I think you simply have to count the OU game. There isn’t a more pressure packed environment, particularly, as you said, when one team is “on tilt.” That’s what winning road games is about, in large part…weathering the storm in a hostile environment, getting your shit together, and getting a win.

  5. Nordberg said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I was pretty sure that story with the fat chick was going to go in a completely different direction.

  6. HenryJames said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    You are the echeese of BC.

  7. CloseToJumping said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Texas Engr–

    Thanks for the help on that type, I corrected it. Off by a digit, if you will.

    srr50–

    I figured USC’s had to be strong, but geez, that is awesome. My guess is that it is fair to say those are the two best teams on the road over the past 5 years, unless someone shocks us with an LSU, UF, or OSU stat.

    Nordberg–

    No fat chicks.

    HenryJames–

    You are the scally of the Internet.

  8. BrickHorn said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    I think the best way to analyze this is to compare Texas’ home and road records. I think there’s an issue with the math on 1998, so I’ll start with 1999.

    1999-2004: 21-12 on the road; 29-3 at home.

    Since 2004: 22-5 on the road; 21-3 at home.

    So, we’ve certainly moved closer to parity between our home and road records. What’s interesting is that our home winning percentage has dropped. That can probably be attributed solely to the fact that we hosted #1 Ohio State. But Texas upset #3 Nebraska at DKR in 1999.

  9. Nordberg said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    First three losses: K-State, Arkansas, NC State.

    Last three losses: K-State (a shittier version), Ohio State, aTm.

    Push.

  10. Anonymous said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Yeah, I hate to be that douche bag but your numbers are wrong. Take for example your last five years numbers, the ones not including OU, Big12 Champ games, and bowls and going 18-3 are correct but the other ones don’t add up. You have us going 22-5 in this category which would have us only playing a combined six of those types of games when really we played 11 (five each, bowls and OU, plus the one big 12 championship game) my count would put us at 27-5 instead. I don’t know if these flaws are reflected in all the numbers or not, but just to add insult to injury their should be at least a separation of two games in the from 1998 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) and from 1999 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) because we both beat OU and won our bowl in 1998.

  11. n-ea said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    I think you have a typo in “Road Record from 2004 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games) = 22-5″

    22-5 should be 27-5

    Over the past 5 years:

    OU record = 3-2
    Bowl record = 5-0
    Big 12 record = 1-0

    Total of 9-2 added to 18-3 equals 27-5.

  12. neutral said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    You don’t count bowls or neutral site games as “road games” because both teams are in the same boat, as opposed to true away games where the other team is in its own stadium filled 95% with its own fans. Thats a big advantage. (Of course, not all of bowl games are truly neutral – see USC in the Rose – but in theory they are)

    But neutral site games do present a unique challenge above and beyond a home game, so it is still worthwhile to look a a team/coach’s record in both away and neutral site games. Thanks for the stats.

  13. Anonymous said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    I also think the Road Record from 1999 (Including OU, Bowls, and Big 12 Title Games)should = 51-17 while the from 1998 is correct at 54-20 the three extra wins being Nebraska, OU, and Miss St. in a bowl and the three extra losses being UCLA, KSU, and Tech. Other then that I think they’re good. Thanks for compiling the stats.

  14. CloseToJumping said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Ok, Anonymous & n-ea–

    You guys were correct, and thanks for your help. I updated it again, and hopefully now the numbers are correct. When I feel like it, I write things up at lunch and throw them out there. I always proofread, and usually do the math, but clearly this time I came up short.

    I appreciate the help, as I’d much rather have the data be correct than looking stupid.

    With the numbers in the last 5 years at 27-5, that is amazingly comparable to USC and I’d have to guess no one else.

    I really don’t think we get enough credit as a road force and we should. That might change this year if we do go 7-1, 8-0 or something of that nature.

  15. Parlin Hall said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    CTJ you earn my respect for your characterization of the 1999 Big 12 situation. Applewhite helped screw that pooch (a canine that was going to be taken advantage of, regardless) with some poorly chosen words.

    Overall, I think Brown gets his squads up for road games as well or better than most elite coaches I’ve watched. The let-downs I remember have usually been at home.

  16. Vasherized said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Mark Richt’s road record with Georgia is a silly 30-4 since he arrived in 2001, excluding neutrals and bowl game. That’s impressive any way you dice it given the level of competition.

    Factor in those neutral and bowl losses and that number jumps significantly by 9, mainly due to six losses against Florida.

    Compared to its true road record, Georgia has been comparatively average at home over the same span, going 38-9.

    Obviously the true road record is a big reason why some people like Georgia against the Cowboys.

    And that would be a good theory if it wasn’t the first game of the season, the Dawgs weren’t breaking in new guys at nearly every critical position, and the venue wasn’t a hostile cesspit of okie froth, piss, and bile.

    If this game were later in the season Gundy would probably find a way to fuck it up. Catch him early before he outcoaches himself, let the studs do the work and they should beat Georgia.

  17. Anonymous said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    No worries, thanks again for compiling the stats in the first place. Without that I never would have bothered to double check things, and never would have realized just how dominate we’ve become in road or road-like games over the past five years. It’s especially amazing when you consider that basically every top-caliber opponent we’ve faced in that stretch of time, with the exception of tOSU in 06, falls into that category.

  18. srr50 said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Mark Richt’s road record with Georgia is a silly 30-4 since he arrived in 2001, excluding neutrals and bowl game. That’s impressive any way you dice it given the level of competition.

    The way I slice it, it ain’t that impressive. What’s silly is the Bulldogs non-conference schedule this decade.

    The total milage for road non-conference games from 2001-2007 was about 300 miles, since it was Ga. Tech and Clemson. That’s it.

    They finally went on the road last year (Arizona State) so I think the trip to Stillwater will be a tougher task than many expect.

  19. Tim said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    There is no way playing OU in the Cotton Bowl is as tough as playing OU in Norman. It puts all the other South teams at a disadvantage because every year they have to travel to Norman or to Austin. When UT/OU never have to play in Norman or Austin.

    You can argue how “intense” the RRR is all you want, but it’s not a true road game. It’s part of the reason only OU/UT have won the South out right in the last decade.

  20. BrickHorn said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    It puts all the other South teams at a disadvantage because every year they have to travel to Norman or to Austin. When UT/OU never have to play in Norman or Austin.

    How does that put any team at a disadvantage? The result of the game is the same: one team will lose, another will win.

  21. Bartoncreek said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    The other part being that all the other teams in the South suck.

  22. BrickHorn said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    And by “any team,” I meant to say “any other team in the South division besides Texas and OU?”

  23. Dunstan Pearl said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    TimLogic™

  24. Anonymous said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    For the sake of discussion here are a few more high level teams traditional road(tRoad) and road + bowl/neutral(Road+) records over the last five years:
    tOSU tRoad: 20-5 Road+: 22-8
    LSU: tRoad: 15-7 Road+: 20-9
    Georgia: tRoad: 18-3 Road+: 25-7
    Florida: tRoad: 13-7 Road+: 21-11
    OU: tRoad: 17-5 Road+: 24-12
    and just for fun UTAH: tRoad: 20-9 Road+: 25-9
    The two that stand out to me are Utah and Florida. Florida in their non-MNC years was 6-6 in traditional road games and 8-10 when you count bowls and neutral site games, that’s fairly shockingly bad. Utah on the other hand went 5-0 in bowls including two BCS bowls and a win over Georgia Tech, and even their losses weren’t all bad including at Oregon State, UCLA, and North Carolina. Overall USC and us are clearly ahead of the back while the next level is pretty jumbled.

  25. Trix for Kids said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Maybe this just impresses me but Mack Brown is undefeated against 5 of the 6 Big XII North teams in his time at Texas (in the regular season). His only losses are to K-State.

    If we assume that we beat Mizzou, CU, and Kansas this season, Mack will have a 12 year record against the Big XII North of 32-4 (again, regular season only). All 4 losses against K-State.

    Perhaps even more impressive, Mack is also undefeated against Okie State and Baylor, meaning that he is undefeated against 7 of the other 11 teams in the Big XII for his career (again, regular season only).

    Stop and think about that: 12 seasons, and undefeated against 7 of the 11 programs in your conference (and this ain’t the Big East we’re talking about here).

  26. WB_Heaven said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Call me crazy, but I can see Tim’s point.

  27. Kafka said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Please explain Tim’s point, I don’t get it.

  28. WB_Heaven said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    I believe Tim is making the claim that UT’s road success has been partially supported by not having to play OU in Norman, where OU is 60-2 with Stoops as coach. Norman, as opposed to the annual RRS at the Cotton Bowl, is potentially a much more difficult location to play the Sooners, an obstacle that every other team in the conference has had to face and that one team has managed to succeed the last ten years. Every team except the Longhorns. I don’t know that it directly puts the other teams at a disadvantage moreso than it allows UT to avoid a potentially bigger hurdle by playing OU in the Cotton Bowl, with a crowd divided in half of UT supporters and OU supporters, instead of in front of 80,000 OU fans.

    At least I think his point made sense to me when I read it. I have been hitting the sauce earlier today than usual.

  29. the Bobs said:

    August 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Tim, just think… if Tech had to play OU and/or Texas in a neutral setting – would you have ANY wins at all against us in the last decade? I’m thinking emphatically NOT.

    And as for your poor team’s “disadvantage”, maybe if Texas and OU didn’t have each other in yes, a truly “intense” game each year, they’d gear themselves up a little more for your Raiders… how would that work out for you? The Texas schedule played out perfectly (and I do mean perfectly – it absolutely, positively could not possibly have been any better) for you last year, and you came within an easy dropped INT and one extra second of losing it. Imagine if they’d been just that teeeeny bit more ‘up’ for you. You’d literally have nothing left to say in your ubiquitous comments…

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