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Worst. Rumour. Evar.

Posted by HenryJames on August 19th, 2009 under Football

A poster on Orangebloods reported that Tray Allen is getting a look at defensive tackle. Ketchum says he confirmed it with a ’source.’*

Yes, this is horrible, this idea.

The first poster to name the last collegiate player to make this switch successfully wins their own blog and a Barking Carnival tote bag.

*no idea if this rumour has any validity

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  1. TXinDC said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    Shit, is winning this contest the only way to get ahold of a tote bag?

    I’ll never get to be the cool guy at work at this rate.

  2. Huckleberry said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 8:49 am

    I know you spell it “rumour” just to piss me off.

    Asshole.

  3. t1climb1 said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 8:50 am

    This may actually say more about Mason Walters and how fast he is coming on than anything about Tray.

  4. CurrentLonghornStudent said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Define “successfully”…

  5. Geoff Ketchum's Sources said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    Funny how we only show up after someone gets out in front of OB on a story. Which is almost always.

    Also funny how when we show up as the first link in the chain… we’re wrong.

    Do we exist?

  6. ed said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    Says more about the quality of play at defensive tackle. Not that that’s a total shock.

  7. Vasherized said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Sailor already gives away blogs like their candy. The real prize here is the tote bag, which is modeled after HenryJames’ man purse.

    Our interns are currently rapelling down the walls of Belmont to get answers.

  8. Trips Right said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:14 am

    I like the move for a few reasons.

    Tray wasn’t going to play a lot on the offensive side of the ball with the emergence of Snow and Walters.

    Tray will play a nose and he’ll be tasked with keeping blockers off of our backers. Sounds like something that’s right in a former offensive lineman’s wheelhouse.

    It also shows this staff is thinking outside the box. Will it work? Probably not as HJ pointed out the success rate here is not good.
    But at the very least we’re leaving no stone unturned.

    And finally, I really like the move because it seems to piss off HenryJames. It’s usually good stuff if you’re on that side of the equation.

  9. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Define “successfully”…

    Imagine Scipio taking his game to the Playboy Mansion.

    The opposite of that.

  10. Trips Right said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    I think Tray’s situation has a bit more gray area, but in general I agree with you.

    I’ve seen Scipio slang his prep school game and it ain’t pretty.

  11. Lo Primero said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Marcus Tubbs did ok for himself making this switch.

  12. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Tubbs was a high school tight end who made the switch his first day of camp.

    No prize, but you do win a squeezer from Vasherized as a parting gift.

  13. glenn said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:29 am

    on shaggyland the word is coach blood made this request. if so, i’m cool with it.

  14. uthookem said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    It’s okay, Tray won’t display his new Defensive Tackle-ness until the Missouri game, and he will be awesome!

  15. The General said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Actually, “My Credit Card number is . . .” has potential at The Mansion.

  16. Mockingbird said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Where was Leonard Davis at first? Didn’t he switch?

  17. Teon McCoy said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    “Where was Leonard Davis at first? Didn’t he switch?”

    He played defensive tackle for Mackovic in 97. The 97 defense was 85 Bearish.

  18. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Davis switched from DT to OT.

    Actually, “My Credit Card number is . . .” has potential at The Mansion.

    Scipio carries a Discover card.

  19. Bartoncreek said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Davis went from an o.k. DT to an all-american OT. Can’t really think of anyone the other way around. But, I still like the move. Don’t see where the downside is. Allen had moved back to guard and he wasn’t gonna beat out Snow for the backup job anyway.

  20. glenn said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    mock, yes but the other direction.

    funny. when i think of the playboy mansion i don’t think of sex. i think of the sex act.

  21. Steve Nebraska said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    It’s a jump to conclusions mat. It’s got conclusions on it, that you jump to.

  22. dick said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    Do we think he has the potential to be a better DT than Ben Alexander by October 1?

  23. dick said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Henry Melton is the only one that I can think of that has made a successful switch from one side of the ball to the other late in his career. Chiles and Allen were our two best recruits from 07 and neither have panned out so far.

  24. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    If he shows promise, I do hope they have the luxury of redshirting him. But if he is being moved at this point, they probably don’t.

  25. MilkmanDan said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    OJ McClintock

    Wait, what was the question again?

  26. Harsh Reality said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    “Do we think he has the potential to be a better DT than Ben Alexander by October 1?”

    My sources* say August 20th..

  27. Nobis60 said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Snow needs to be starting at C, not backing up at G

  28. CloseToJumping said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Terrance Cody. Daryl Gardner before him.

    Geoff Ketchum is a sad joke of a businessman. The fact that he has a following is a testament that the days of the end times are upon us. I am fairly certain that Coach Walker was one of the four horsemen.

    Whether this is true or not, it doesn’t have any bearing on Ketchum’s “sources”. A broken clock is right twice a day. If you continue to take guesses on shit, occasionally you’ll be right.

    He has now claimed that JCovan Brown was qualified twice when he was not either time. He claims “sources” anytime he posts a vaguery from an email from a poster or something he made up on his own, and then when anything remotely qualifying as aligned with said vaguery comes true, he claims it as what he was saying all along. Pathetic.

  29. SydneyCarton said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Barksdale went the DT to OT route as well, correct?

    I can’t think this is ever going to be pretty. I can’t say I’ve viewed a ton of Allen’s film, but the guy never struck me as having a…we’ll call it a mean streak.

  30. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Cody played dline in Juco. Gardener was a defensive lineman all the way.

  31. Vasherized said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Contrarians bedamned, the rumor is legit.

    Whether Tray has the mentality you need to be a good DT (Roy Miller) remains to be seen. There’s a good reason why these position changes usually go in the other direction a la Barksdale at LSU.

  32. SydneyCarton said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Not much we can do about other than to start killing off his subscription base or show evidence to the authorities. I’m in favor of both of those things, by the way, I can think of a few OB posters that I wouldn’t mind seeing flayed or introduce to some thumbscrews.

  33. Crazy Joe Clark said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Jorrie Adams…… oh….wait.

  34. ScoobySanchezJr. said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    another example of a player going the other way, from DT to OT is Anthony Collins at KU. It paid off for him. Can’t think of any going the other way except Todd Hasselhorst who started on D, moved to O, then back to DT. Injuries derailed his career, but even if they didn’t, I don’t think he would have been any more than just serviceable as a DT.

  35. Gracie Supanoosinphone said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Allen was a DT in highschool

  36. Horncasting said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Didn’t the LSU DT Dorsey start out as a TE/OL prospect?

  37. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Dorsey was a DT all the way.

  38. Horncasting said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Actually I was thinking of Marcus Spears who started at TE. Wrong LSU D lineman.

  39. Inquiring Minds said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    More about Ketchum’s possible shenanigans with Swing for 44, please.

  40. Truck's Son said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Didn’t Chris Akins start out on the OL?

  41. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    No, Akins was a noseguard from the get go.

  42. future me said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Tray Allen

  43. WB_Heaven said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Jamal Brown was a defensive tackle as a redshirt freshman, I believe.

  44. NateHeupel said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    I remember back before the 2005 season, the signs that shit was not going well at OU on the offensive line were all over the place, and all of us, myself included, danced on in glorious, ignorant bliss as we always do.

    This has that feel to it. First, the two most talented DT’s drop off the radar to things beyond UT’s control over the last 2 years. The best remaining DT is a converted DE with an extensive injury history. After that, it’s a very raw sophomore, a “blocking surface”, and true freshmen. Now, we’re talking about moving an OT to DT? Yowza.

    I really hope this is true.

  45. HenryJames said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    I think he was. But I’m trying to find a player who started out as an offensive lineman in college who successfully switched to defensive line. I want to say that Thomas Barnett at Kansas State switched back and forth, but I can’t remember.

  46. Kosciuszko said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    I’m getting older and possibly senile, but didn’t Mike Williams play DT as a freshman in Mack’s first year? He switched back to OT after that.

    He was serviceable, at best, for most of the year, but I recall him actually looking pretty effective in the Cotton Bowl ass-kicking of Sherril’s MSU bunch. Of course, after the first quarter, everything looked good that day, even Kay Bailey Hutchison three rows ahead of us.

  47. Vasherized said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Sailor Ripley started as a 3rd string WR and was promptly benched.

    This qualifies. Now where the fuck is my tote bag?

  48. Spawn of Cthulhu said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Shane Dronett?

  49. WB_Heaven said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    “But I’m trying to find a player who started out as an offensive lineman in college who successfully switched to defensive line.”

    It doesn’t matter. People have spoken, the thread has moved on.

    Next: quarterback to safety, but the opposite.

  50. Even the Unenlightened said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Can google these:

    Chase Paige – currently with the Miami Dolphins. 49 tackles in his first season after making the switch at North Carolina

    Mo Mitchell – UF – switched between guard and DT and provided quality depth in 2003

    I believe UF also had a guy do this last year who had some success before getting hurt although my googling hands couldn’t find it.

    This blog is a typical overreaction on alot of levels.

  51. PaulKemp said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Sydney Carton: “I can’t think this is ever going to be pretty. I can’t say I’ve viewed a ton of Allen’s film, but the guy never struck me as having a…we’ll call it a mean streak.”

    Tray’s signature move in high school was donkey punching bitches. He’s plenty mean.

  52. torre said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/bohls/entries/2009/08/19/texas_doubletra.html

  53. Teon McCoy said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    “I remember back before the 2005 season, the signs that shit was not going well at OU on the offensive line were all over the place, and all of us, myself included, danced on in glorious, ignorant bliss as we always do.”

    You mean like moving a tight end to center?

  54. bighornfan32 said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    The difference Heupel, is that it isn’t a problem across the whole D Line. We have 3 of the 4 positions covered, and have good depth at DE. While I do think we are going to have our hands full trying to come up with a 3 man rotation at DT, I don’t think it is as bad as that 2005 line was. Also, cohesion and familiarity aren’t as important on the D Line as on the O Line.

  55. Bartoncreek said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Good thing we have all-conference or better type ends. Did OU have all-conference type tackles that year? Houston is better than you think. The other tackle is a huge problem.

    We don’t believe our coaches when they tell us this is gonna be the best line we’ve ever had. We think a little deeper than the average OU fan. No offense to you, but let’s face it, you are in the minority with regards to intelligence and the Sooner masses.

  56. Stuck in MN said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    I have a feeling that Houston might just get chop blocked a few times in the OU game. Call it a hunch.

  57. dick said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    “I remember back before the 2005 season, the signs that shit was not going well at OU on the offensive line were all over the place, and all of us, myself included, danced on in glorious, ignorant bliss as we always do.”

    the worst sign was Rhett Bomar as your quarterback. If we were below mediocre in our back seven, our 2nd string DT situation would be very discouraging but it shouldn’t mean the difference in meeting this season’s goals

  58. Spoons said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    either back up the ketchum allegations or state you’re making them up…

  59. glenn said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    yeah, i thought nateheupel was going to admit that the sooners are in trouble again.

    little did i know that he was going to admit he thinks WE are in trouble.

  60. uthookem said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Wow, the ketchum-ites are coming out in full force!

    Who the fuck is ketchum?

    I honestly do not know.

  61. NateHeupel said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    glenn, I’ve seen OU be in trouble in more ways than the one in question. I assure you, this is a cakewalk compared to 2005. So far, Wilson and Schmitty haven’t Pulp Fictioned any of the OL into quitting. We’re actually in damned good shape, all things being equal.

  62. Oooh, an Ultimatum said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    I’m actually flattered.

  63. Real Douche Czar said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    My ears are burning.

    No, seriously – my ears are really burning. I tried to Nair my ear hair in prep for hittin’ up some honeys at Ghost Bar this weekend, and that shit must have reacted with my Neutrogena Micromist tanning spray or that new pomade my stylist recommended. Now I’ve got these burning red welts on my ears. Uncool.

  64. glenn said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    oh, darn, nate. like you said, i am hoping. : )

    i did really think you were going to own up. laughed my butt off (well, a little of it anyway) when i read the rest.

  65. SizzleChest said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Real Douche Czar makes SizzleChest laugh.

  66. Jay said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Everyone should go read the post by Pandora’s Box.

    Scroll up and read it.

    Ketch is a dirtbag.

  67. Jay said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Also I heard of his stealing money from a charity to pay for taxes from a CURRENT employee of his.

    So apparently there’s a whole crew of slime balls running around at Rivals…some of whom get loose lips when tipsy.

  68. Bacon, Lettuce & Ultomatum Sandwiche said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    I highly recommend a can of Whup-Ass Sorbet for dessert.

  69. SydneyCarton said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Nice spelling of Ultimatum. I mean, the comment box even has spell check. If that’s supposed to be ironic, I don’t get it.

  70. Bacon, Lettuce & Ultomatum Sandwiche said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    May you choke on a bacon explosion.
    http://blogs.pitch.com/fatcity/assets_c/2009/01/bacon-thumb-500×375.jpg

  71. Parlin Hall said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Define “tote bag”.

  72. Barrett Matthews said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Allow me to step in and break up this little fracas ….

  73. Trips Right said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    No, you stay the hell out of the fracas, you’re liable to catch swine flu unless you’re changing positions.

  74. Brent said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Fred Evans, Texas State University. Switched from OT to DT, played two seasons at Texas State as a DT then was drafted by the Miami Dolphins. Recently played for the Minnesota Vikings.

    I want my own blog!

  75. bighornfan32 said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    geez, talk about crossing the line.

  76. dick said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Very much crossing the line

  77. BEHorn said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    This is one weird thread.

  78. Macanudo said:

    August 19th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    I am SO confused.

  79. Black Scholes said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    So Bobino to TE is just a rumor then?

  80. that one said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Touched a nerve at OB, thread about it got deleted….

  81. SydneyCarton said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 4:32 am

    Stunned, STUNNED, that that thread got removed

  82. Uncle Bevo said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 4:36 am

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/082009dnspoutshort.2943fc4.html

  83. Nate said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 6:27 am

    Wasn’t Shuab Rogers an OL for a while?

  84. Nate said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 6:28 am

    Shaun

    And if that is true about ketch, then it disgusts me.

    I doubt it tho.

  85. HenryJames said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 6:29 am

    No.

  86. Even the Unenlightened said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 6:41 am

    There are alot of people who have an axe to grind with Ketch. I’d take all of this banter with a big grain of salt. Especially coming from somone with the name “Pandora”. Give me a break.

  87. Lo Primero said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 7:04 am

    And I thought Ketch’s radio work was his only crime.

  88. Fecal McBee said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 7:14 am

    Can we separate these topics out? I don’t give a shit about Texas DTs.

  89. HenryJames said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Looks like Brent, whose comments were caught in our spam filter, has come the closest so far. Evans played on the defensive line as a freshman in junior college, moved to offensive line as a sophomore and then moved back to defensive line when he got to SWT.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Evans_(American_football)

    And do you realize that the value of a blog is less than that of a tote bag?

  90. Even the Unenlightened said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 7:49 am

    HJ – i should get the prise for Chase Page. Check his wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Page

  91. HenryJames said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 7:51 am

    You win for spelling prise in the English fashion.

  92. Scipio Tex said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 8:04 am

    Alright, I’ve had enough of this nutless anonymity. I go away for work and this board becomes the National Enquirer.

    Truth is an absolute defense for libel. If you’re so dead sure about the facts, you should be posting your real name and an e-mail address. Otherwise, this now bores me.

  93. Hookem said:

    August 20th, 2009 at 8:05 am

    Never had any reason to question Ketch myself, but I have considered his work slightly below exceptional…

    I will say I just recently found out about this site through an OB member posting a link to this discussion, and all hell breaking loose down in the comments. By the time I finished reading all these comments, I went back and refreshed the OB site to see if Ketch had any response… but low and behold, the thread was deleted.

    I would say a lack of retort or rebuttal does seem a bit incriminating… Although, I hope its not true.

    Glad I found this site… looking forward to wasting a lot more of my time getting some good unbiased Texas football/basketball info!

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    And yes, it appears JoPo wrote pretty much the same thing. It’s hard to believe with all the national talking heads, fans, and everyone in between saying otherwise, but I think it’s the only conclusion to draw for anyone that really watched this team.

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  • Hiphopopotamus commented on the blog post We Have Our Answer   6 hours, 35 minutes ago

    And yes, it appears JoPo wrote pretty much the same thing. It’s hard to believe with all the national talking heads, fans, and everyone in between saying otherwise, but I think it’s the only conclusion to draw for anyone that really watched this team.

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  • Hiphopopotamus wrote a new blog post: We Have Our Answer   6 hours, 37 minutes ago

    Normally, after a big win or a crushing defeat, I don’t know what to think, say, or feel, because I can’t. And that what makes this one different; it’s just as painful, but I saw it coming. Instead of getting blindsided by the oncoming traffic, I was able to brace myself for the

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  • whiskey commented on the blog post The week in news- Pariahs, Malcontents and Power Hour   6 hours, 55 minutes ago

    I’m with you the off season is already old. I’m ready for the season to start. NDS I am completely fascinated by the Tech vs. Lech business. I can’t believe they ran off the guy that put them on the map and subsequently ended up with an arguable upgrade in Tubs.

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  • whiskey commented on the blog post Spring Preview: Tech Offense   7 hours ago

    Ded 9-12 wins is pretty optomistic. I like it. I’m really looking forward to seeing what Tubs can do with them this year especially on D. I’m surprised you think the QB battle between Sticks and Nick will be close. Interesting, I figured Sticks was a runaway. I hope Corndog

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  • dedfischer wrote a new blog post: Spring Preview: Tech Offense   7 hours, 43 minutes ago

    Got a little time this morning and I’m rearing to talk some football.  Here’s what the depth chart looks like headed into spring and a few thoughts:

    Offense

    QB  Sr. Taylor Potts/Sr. Steven Sheffield – We’ve all annointed Sheffield as the starter, and I think that’s the case if we continue to run 99% of our snaps

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