Comments on: The SEC TV Contract – What it Means to The Big 12 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/ Texas Longhorns and sports Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:56:47 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Major Cult http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52746 Major Cult Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:43:45 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52746 Found this old article from OregonSU: http://media.barometer.orst.edu/media/storage/paper854/news/2007/01/18/Sports/A.TexasSized.Mistake-2652668.shtml I wonder if Stanford would still block our entry to PAC-10. Key Quote: "With Texas in the Pac-10, the conference would have become an absolute juggernaut, not only in athletics, but in the realm of academia. For with the addition of their outstanding sports programs, the university is also one of the nation's leading research institutions, is home to nearly 70,000 students and boasts an endowment of $5.5 billion. Oregon State's endowment, for example, is around $350 million. A Pac-10, with Texas as a colleague, would most certainly be the most acclaimed academic group in the country." Found this old article from OregonSU:

http://media.barometer.orst.edu/media/storage/paper854/news/2007/01/18/Sports/A.TexasSized.Mistake-2652668.shtml

I wonder if Stanford would still block our entry to PAC-10.

Key Quote:

“With Texas in the Pac-10, the conference would have become an absolute juggernaut, not only in athletics, but in the realm of academia. For with the addition of their outstanding sports programs, the university is also one of the nation’s leading research institutions, is home to nearly 70,000 students and boasts an endowment of $5.5 billion. Oregon State’s endowment, for example, is around $350 million. A Pac-10, with Texas as a colleague, would most certainly be the most acclaimed academic group in the country.”

]]> By: Ricky http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52694 Ricky Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:33:59 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52694 Revenue sharing can work, but the problem for Texas is still that they are attached to a conference that covers a lot of dead zones, which will leave it sharing a much smaller pie that its competitors in other conferences. The Big 12 covers the lowest total population of any BCS conference by more than 10 million people. TV skews everything in that it doesn't matter that Nebraska fills its stadium every Saturday. They have great fan support but even Syracuse could probably negotiate a better TV deal because they are surrounded by major population centers while Nebraska is surrounded by empty space. On a macro level the Big 12 just can't hang with the other conferences in the long run and it demise will be accelerated if these enormous TV deals start going to the other conferences and the Big 12 can't score something similar. I think it is already the SWC story writ larger (not that much larger...the state of Texas has over 55% of the total population in the Big 12). Revenue sharing can work, but the problem for Texas is still that they are attached to a conference that covers a lot of dead zones, which will leave it sharing a much smaller pie that its competitors in other conferences. The Big 12 covers the lowest total population of any BCS conference by more than 10 million people.

TV skews everything in that it doesn’t matter that Nebraska fills its stadium every Saturday. They have great fan support but even Syracuse could probably negotiate a better TV deal because they are surrounded by major population centers while Nebraska is surrounded by empty space.

On a macro level the Big 12 just can’t hang with the other conferences in the long run and it demise will be accelerated if these enormous TV deals start going to the other conferences and the Big 12 can’t score something similar. I think it is already the SWC story writ larger (not that much larger…the state of Texas has over 55% of the total population in the Big 12).

]]> By: TaylorTRoom http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52655 TaylorTRoom Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:03:17 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52655 SRR makes a great point- the strongest leagues (NFL, SEC) share revenue. That creates a situation where the little guys can support strngthening the game for all, even if it helps the big guys more than them, because they'll get their share of the loot. Why did the dying SWC lessen the revenue sharing? Because the little guys decided they would rather hold the big guys down than maximize profits for all. The little guys in the Big 12 are going to decide where this conference goes, and unfortunately there are three big guys that want two different things. OU would be fine if the Big 12 went to a SEC model. Texas wants a Big 10 model. TAMU could be convinced either way. The smartest thing the little Big 12 programs (Baylor, ISU, KSU) could do would be to support the league going in a Big 10 direction (more regulation of recruiting, more athletics support of the academic mission). That would make Texas happy, and OU would learn to like it (they're not going anywhere first, anyway). Moving the Big 12 in the SEC direction (no-rules recruiting, lessening of academic standards) will drive UT away. SRR makes a great point- the strongest leagues (NFL, SEC) share revenue. That creates a situation where the little guys can support strngthening the game for all, even if it helps the big guys more than them, because they’ll get their share of the loot.

Why did the dying SWC lessen the revenue sharing? Because the little guys decided they would rather hold the big guys down than maximize profits for all. The little guys in the Big 12 are going to decide where this conference goes, and unfortunately there are three big guys that want two different things. OU would be fine if the Big 12 went to a SEC model. Texas wants a Big 10 model. TAMU could be convinced either way. The smartest thing the little Big 12 programs (Baylor, ISU, KSU) could do would be to support the league going in a Big 10 direction (more regulation of recruiting, more athletics support of the academic mission). That would make Texas happy, and OU would learn to like it (they’re not going anywhere first, anyway). Moving the Big 12 in the SEC direction (no-rules recruiting, lessening of academic standards) will drive UT away.

]]> By: Woody Bombay http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52640 Woody Bombay Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:43:51 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52640 Sorry, forgot my smiley face: ;-) Sorry, forgot my smiley face: ;-)

]]> By: Woody Bombay http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52639 Woody Bombay Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:30:42 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52639 scmutiger, Do you really think it's about something as fleeting as last season's March Madness, or even a single football game last last year's ass-stomping UT put on Mizzou and its booger-eating QB who Mack didn't recruit? It's bigger than the Norm Stewart-sized chip on your shoulder. We're talking Big Picture here. I'm sorry, but Texas and Oklahoma -- and, sadly, probably their little-brother rivals OSU, Tech and aTm -- are going to dictate the future of this conference. Nebraska may somehow get a foothold, too. That's iffy. Now, go home and get your fucking shine box. scmutiger,

Do you really think it’s about something as fleeting as last season’s March Madness, or even a single football game last last year’s ass-stomping UT put on Mizzou and its booger-eating QB who Mack didn’t recruit? It’s bigger than the Norm Stewart-sized chip on your shoulder. We’re talking Big Picture here.

I’m sorry, but Texas and Oklahoma — and, sadly, probably their little-brother rivals OSU, Tech and aTm — are going to dictate the future of this conference. Nebraska may somehow get a foothold, too. That’s iffy.

Now, go home and get your fucking shine box.

]]> By: srr50 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52636 srr50 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:32:25 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52636 <em>Wake up UT! Share the wealth before the have-nots get fed up, and leave for greener pastures.</em> And just where, pray tell, would that be? Wake up UT! Share the wealth before the have-nots get fed up, and leave for greener pastures.

And just where, pray tell, would that be?

]]> By: scmutiger http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52633 scmutiger Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:16:39 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52633 When you do leave the pathetic Big 12 for the SEC, be sure to let them know that y'all are THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, and that they are sooooo lucky to have you. Be sure to let them know who the boss is. The first thing you need to do is to move the CCG from ATL to Dallas. The next thing you should do is do away with their revenue sharing model, and replace it with your hugely successful SWC/Big 12 example. Next, demand that they replace Vandy with Baylor since it's common knowledge that Vandy has no business in the SEC, and all things Texas are superior. Let's see how well that works out for ya.... Yes, it has been about a decade since we beat your vaunted team in football, but last I checked Mizzou was playing in the Elite 8 this past basketball season. The former SWC teams didn't exactly pull their weight this past March. The Big 12 could be so much better. Texas has enough D1 talent to supply half of the Big 12 North teams rosters. Texas already supplies OU with better players from Texas than what UT gets. Missouri, and Colorado have enough home grown talent to field decent teams when we get the rest from places such as Texas, Florida, and California. I will admit that Kansas, Iowa, and Nebraska aren't exactly recruiting hot beds, but with all that Texas HS football talent available, they should be able to put quality products on the field too. Wake up UT! Share the wealth before the have-nots get fed up, and leave for greener pastures. When you do leave the pathetic Big 12 for the SEC, be sure to let them know that y’all are THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, and that they are sooooo lucky to have you. Be sure to let them know who the boss is. The first thing you need to do is to move the CCG from ATL to Dallas. The next thing you should do is do away with their revenue sharing model, and replace it with your hugely successful SWC/Big 12 example. Next, demand that they replace Vandy with Baylor since it’s common knowledge that Vandy has no business in the SEC, and all things Texas are superior. Let’s see how well that works out for ya….

Yes, it has been about a decade since we beat your vaunted team in football, but last I checked Mizzou was playing in the Elite 8 this past basketball season. The former SWC teams didn’t exactly pull their weight this past March.

The Big 12 could be so much better. Texas has enough D1 talent to supply half of the Big 12 North teams rosters. Texas already supplies OU with better players from Texas than what UT gets. Missouri, and Colorado have enough home grown talent to field decent teams when we get the rest from places such as Texas, Florida, and California. I will admit that Kansas, Iowa, and Nebraska aren’t exactly recruiting hot beds, but with all that Texas HS football talent available, they should be able to put quality products on the field too. Wake up UT! Share the wealth before the have-nots get fed up, and leave for greener pastures.

]]> By: Major Cult http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52629 Major Cult Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:36:16 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52629 Hey mizzou fan, what moved the SEC up to top notch was great football, great competition, the growth of the gulf coast states and Nick Saban (just kidding). The product drove the revenue, it wasn't that revenue sharing produced a superior product. Sorry, but your football team is like the comet Kohoutek. You are relevant about once every 75,000 years and when you do show up you are a spectacular dud. Hey mizzou fan, what moved the SEC up to top notch was great football, great competition, the growth of the gulf coast states and Nick Saban (just kidding). The product drove the revenue, it wasn’t that revenue sharing produced a superior product. Sorry, but your football team is like the comet Kohoutek. You are relevant about once every 75,000 years and when you do show up you are a spectacular dud.

]]> By: Woody Bombay http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52628 Woody Bombay Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:26:33 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52628 scmutiger, If the Texas schools leave the Big 12 - or, more specifically, if Texas leaves - Oklahoma will be heading for the door next. The sooners will not want to play Snow White to the rest of the Big 8's dwarfs. As mentioned above, Nebraska is in trouble, Kansas can't be relied on to provide a consistent football product, and trust me: There is no one saying "show me" Mizzou football outside of your state. Without UT and OU the conference is the WAC. So enjoy that. scmutiger,
If the Texas schools leave the Big 12 – or, more specifically, if Texas leaves – Oklahoma will be heading for the door next. The sooners will not want to play Snow White to the rest of the Big 8’s dwarfs. As mentioned above, Nebraska is in trouble, Kansas can’t be relied on to provide a consistent football product, and trust me: There is no one saying “show me” Mizzou football outside of your state.

Without UT and OU the conference is the WAC. So enjoy that.

]]> By: Major Cult http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/comment-page-2/#comment-52626 Major Cult Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:16:22 +0000 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/?p=8014#comment-52626 Not a bad idea, trk. Much more in common with the gulf coast states and we're only talking one time zone travel. But what would the SEC appetite be for that? I just don't see us mixing with the Big 10. Not that I care, but what about Sooner? What are they thinking? Somehow if we are headed to a 'super conference', I see us in the same conference as Sooner. Packaged together (oh and throw in Aggie - why are we always tied to Aggie?) that would be quite some sweet jewelery for a conference. Not a bad idea, trk. Much more in common with the gulf coast states and we’re only talking one time zone travel. But what would the SEC appetite be for that? I just don’t see us mixing with the Big 10. Not that I care, but what about Sooner? What are they thinking? Somehow if we are headed to a ’super conference’, I see us in the same conference as Sooner. Packaged together (oh and throw in Aggie – why are we always tied to Aggie?) that would be quite some sweet jewelery for a conference.

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