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The QB Class of 2004- Checking Back In
Posted by TaylorTRoom on April 27th, 2009 under Football, Recruiting
I had a post last July where I looked at the bumper crop of Texas schoolboy QBs (that UT struck out on), and tried to forecast their NFL chances (The QB Recruiting Class of 2004 – Checking Back In). This is a good time to check back in. I think a lot of people at the time thought my analysis was solid, although I was very, very wrong on many of the predictions…
Bobby Reid was injured (torn knee ligament, came back for pro-day at UTA) in his 10th game last year. He had an OK season to that point, but not great. He played for a lousy team, and was one of the better players. NFL good? He wasn’t drafted, and there are no reports of free agent signings. He threw for 1791 yards and 12 TDs, with a passer rating of 124.92. He has a degree from OSU, but don’t expect him to come back to Stillwater for a while.
This is where we find out how badly Reid wants to play football. His pro career will have to start in the CFL (it worked for Casey Printers) or the Arena League.
Kirby Freeman began the season as a starter for his old HS coach, Art Briles. That lasted half of one game. You know how- when a player misses a game for illness, and loses his job to his sub, they say he was “Wally Pipped” (Wally Pipp was replaced by Lou Gehrig when he missed a game for a headache)? Well, Kirby Freeman was “Chance Mocked” by Robert Griffin.
Rhett Bomar…the Okies are enjoying it as much as we are.
Last year, Bomar threw for 3355 yards, 27 TDs, and a 135 passer rating. His weakest game was against KU, where he had 1 TD and 3 picks. He was drafted in the 5th round by the Giants. Picked there, he’s going to have to earn everything coming his way from here on out. He’s too high of a pick to drop off the radar, and too low to be designated the heir apparent. In his entire collegiate career (yes, even as a freshman at OU), he has always looked like a guy struggling with the speed of the D-1A game. It will be interesting to see if the NFL isn’t too fast for him. This position is a big drop from where he was as a recruit in 2004, but there are a few other guys in this post that would love to trade places with him.
Not Stephen McGee, though, selected in the 4th round by the Dallas Cowboys, despite an injury-plagued senior year. How? My theory is that Mike Sherman made calls to make sure he got to the Combine, and McGee took it from there in workouts and interviews. Like with Bomar, it’s all on him from here out.
Finally- Graham Harrell. Was I ever wrong about him. I thought he was a sure thing for the NFL, and he bombed out of the Combine, and all-star game workouts. He was supposed to be the Tech QB with a pro arm, and nobody wants him. It’s funny- McGee has none of the stats, and all of the intangibles. Harrell has the stats, but none of the intangibles. It’s hard to believe it’s been just 4 months since we had news articles moaning about the injustice of him being uninvited to the Heisman ceremony.
To sum up, last year I rated their NFL chances as: Harrell, Bomar, Reid, McGee, and Freeman. Now, it looks like McGee, Bomar, Harrell, Reid and Freeman, with the last three needing to hoard their per diems when they can.
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Ag_in_TX said:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Why do you rank Freeman so low when he was drafted in the 1st round? You know how highly I think of that kid.
David Hume said:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Kirby Freeman, from Stephenville, not Josh Freeman…
Ag_in_TX said:
April 27th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Reading Is Fundamental, eh?
Facebook User said:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Smug indignation over Bomargate from a Tulsa hack is comedy gold.
Also, I love that the paper is called The Tulsa World.
Lastly, Tulsa is a slut spelled backwards.
Misterserious7 said:
April 28th, 2009 at 4:16 am
I sure thought Kirby Freeman played at Brownwood, not Stephenville. And wasn’t Briles coaching in college by 2004?
Bob in Houston said:
April 28th, 2009 at 5:14 am
Yeah, Briles left Stephenville in ‘99.
TaylorTRoom said:
April 28th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Leave your name and mailing address, and I’ll refund your money.
Stephen Glass said:
April 28th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Jayson Blair and I did the fact checking on this piece and we resent the insinuations of inaccuracy..
CloseToJumping said:
April 28th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Thanks for the write-up. I was a little busy last June-July and wasn’t frequenting BC during that period. If I was, I would have happily mocked the conclusion on Harrell and generally would have agreed to everything else.
I read this post and was surprised by your surprise over Harrell. I never saw anything from the guy to indicate NFL talent. The most surprising thing about the draft this weekend was the reaction by local folks to Harrell not getting drafted. I still don’t get it.
Shawspank said:
April 28th, 2009 at 6:43 am
“I sure thought Kirby Freeman played at Brownwood, not Stephenville. And wasn’t Briles coaching in college by 2004?”
I think you are talking about Morgan Freeman who was last seen crossing the border near Fort Hancock…
TTR said:
April 28th, 2009 at 7:19 am
CTJ,
It doesn’t matter about talent. It’s all about the spread to TaylorTRoom. A guy with Down’s Syndrome or a kid with one arm could be the subject of conversation and Taylor thinks he should be highly thought of because of the spread, other evidence be damned.
Vasherized said:
April 28th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Let’s go through the checks on Harrell:
Good accuracy
Average arm
Quick release
Whiny bitch
System guy
Anybody in the NFL named Graham, Sonny, or Kliff? Uh, no.
Sounds like every Tech QB Leach tried to pimp to the League and they said no thanks.
I don’t expect Bomar to last long in NY. Too much time to party as a backup.
coach Callahan said:
April 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Isn’t Morgan Freeman still in prison?
Ag_in_TX said:
April 28th, 2009 at 10:53 am
May I ask an honest question?
If Graham Harrell was a non-drafted QB in this weak QB year, why would Colt McCoy be drafted next year, in arguably a much stronger QB class?
Harrell (2008) (6′-3″, 205#)
Comp – 442
Attempts – 626
% – 70.6
Yards – 5111
Avg. – 8.2
TDs – 45
INTs – 9
Colt McCoy (2008) (6′3″, 210#)
Comp – 332
Attempts – 433
% – 76.7
Yards – 3859
Avg. – 8.91
TDs – 34
INTs – 8
Stuck in MN said:
April 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Ag- fair question, as I don’t believe Colt will be a first day pick.
However, Colt’s numbers came in an offense designed by Greg Davis, Harrell’s in an offense designed by Leach. Which stats do you think are more impressive? Add in the all important “intangibles” category due to Colt not being a douche, and you end up with Colt being drafted.
Brian Brohm said:
April 28th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I have no idea where to expect McCoy to be drafted. I don’t think the game is too fast for him, and he will interview well, but I don’t know if he has a 1st round arm or not.
8straight said:
April 28th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
There is one similarity between Colt and Graham. Neither has changed in the personality department. Good for Colt. Bad for Graham.
KilgoreTrout said:
April 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Colt will get drafted but probably not until the 4-5 rounds. Will have to succeed in the Drew Brees mode of smaller Qb’s.
BatesHorn said:
April 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I’ve got crazy man love for Colt, but I’m not sure I see him as any better than a back up/eventual journey man qb.
I think he can handle the speed of the game (although the happy feet are a bit worrisome), but the arm strengthen thing could be a problem. The lack of downfield passing game, which could be Colt, or could be GD, makes it hard to guess his NFL potential.
Jeff Garcia got by for years, even had a few good seasons, and his arm would make my 7 year old laugh.
Ag_in_TX said:
April 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
“There is one similarity between Colt and Graham. Neither has changed in the personality department. Good for Colt. Bad for Graham.”
I have never met Graham Harrell but I do know his dad and he’s a hell of a good guy and one hell of a coach. I believe that if there are personality or attitude problems, he developed them under his college coach, not his high school one.
Steve Nebraska said:
April 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Or, maybe the attitude problems weren’t developed at all under anyone, and Harrell’s just a natural douche.
Bottom Line said:
April 28th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Harrell = vinegar & water..
Ag_in_TX said:
April 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Perhaps.
I do know Colt seems to be a fine young man and I think that will serve him well in the draft. I know it served Stephen McGee well.
ChicagoTTU said:
April 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
So Harrell’s old man’s a good guy and one hell of a coach… So what?
I’m certain Graham’s douchebaggery fully matured and blossomed at Tech, but I assure you: He was a douchebag at Ennis, too. A fuckin’ big one.
And why suggest Harrell’s personality deficiencies are a result of Leach’s tutelage? Even if Sam Harrell’s (Sam, right?) a solid dude, it doesn’t mean he’s incapable of raising a douchebag.
I mean if we’re exploring character here, who didn’t go to school with Preacher’s kids that were complete fuckheads or slutbags…
Sam’s a great TX HS Football coach.
Graham’s a douchebag.
Ag_in_TX said:
April 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Well, OK………
Nordberg said:
April 28th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Ag, why would Harrell go undrafted, and Stephen McGee go in the 4th round? Want to compare their numbers too? Certainly you understand this more that you’re letting on.
Rad Raider said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
“Colt will get drafted but probably not until the 4-5 rounds. Will have to succeed in the Drew Brees mode of smaller Qb’s.”
And look at how well Brees turned out and I believe that Colt is better than he is. I say the odds are good that Colt is a first day pick. He could fall to the fourth but no later than that. The one thing he has going against him is his size. I doubt if he is a legit 6′3″ and his lack of physicality maybe a question for the league, but his arm is adequate for the league – and don’t tell me Sanchez’s arm is any better than Colt’s, cause it’s not and he went with the 5th pick.
Harrell must have displayed a really weak arm in the workouts. He was a really accurate passer, but if he was not picked, it could only be cause the weakness of his arm was never exposed in the Leach system like it was in the workouts.
I believe that Colt has a good shot of going before Bradford. In my opinion, Bradford is vastly overrated. As much a product of the system as Harrell evidently was. Bradford lacks physicality, mobility, has average arm strength, and the limits of his game has not been really tested on the field because the OU line has been so strong in its pass protection. The man is literally never touched in a typical game. The one game last year where he was tested, he looked very pedestrian. There is a good chance the NFL workouts next year expose Bradford for what he is just like Harrell got exposed this year.
Ag_in_TX said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
“Ag, why would Harrell go undrafted, and Stephen McGee go in the 4th round?”
Because McGee had the skill set that NFL teams crave.
I know, I know – that’s why numbers don’t matter as much as we’d think they do or should.
I can’t believe Harrell got passed over just because he was a “jerk” – I supposed we’ll never know, but at the combines and pro days, he must not have shown much at all – weak arm, slow wheels, something….
So, what about Colt? Does he have the live arm, the toughness, the good wheels?
Here is what one scout said about McGee in this draft that gives a little insight into what the NFL looks for:
“A solid week of practice at the East-West Shrine Game – and this year’s weak senior class of quarterbacks – could result in McGee earning a surprisingly high grade from some teams who are willing to look past his stunted development and focus on his undeniable tools. Had an arm span of 32 inches and a hand span of 9 inches at the combine.
4.66 fourty time, 2nd best QB behind Pat White – 33″ vertical jump, 4th best QB – 9′-4″ broad jump, 4th best QB.”
Yeah, that’s some good stuff.
Nordberg said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
“I can’t believe Harrell got passed over just because he was a “jerk” – I supposed we’ll never know, but at the combines and pro days, he must not have shown much at all – weak arm, slow wheels, something….”
All of the above. He also looked like garbage all week in whatever postseason all-star game he played in.
It’s really not that much of a mystery.
Bottom Line said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Harrell’s arm strength, accuracy, footwork and savvy were questioned by the NFL scouts at the Senior Bowl practices as well as the game itself. I know Leach’s take is “the NFL wouldn’t know a QB if he walked up and kicked them in the balls”, but it’s their league, they write the checks, and they don’t want Harrell…
ponderos said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
McGee also told Jerry Jones that he can pretty much milk anything with nipples.
HIRED!
Rad Raider said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“I can’t believe Harrell got passed over just because he was a “jerk””
Harrell does give that crossed eyed, who dunnit, punk look sometimes, but I thought that was more an indication of genetics than an actual whiney bitch attitude. Anyway, in a league full of jerks and whiney, bitch prima donnas, what could have Harrell done to exile himself from the NFl based on character alone?
It was because of a talent issue, which the Leach Tech O brilliantly managed to keep under the lid until those workouts. Heck, if a player had an arm the league craved, he could probably go and piss in the coach’s coffee every morning, right after he just woke up from his nightly abuse of the coach’s underaged daughter, and they would probably still be tripping over themselves trying to get him to sign with them. In the NFL, winning cures all, including bruised egos, broken families, unusual tasting coffee, and whiney bitches.
HenryJames said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Harrell didn’t get drafted because of Tim’s behavior on this site.
CloseToJumping said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
McCoy is a 1st round guy. He doesn’t have the prototype arm, but it’s not a liability. He’s got good speed, he’s smart, he’s a character guy. His height is like his arm, it isn’t going to harm him and it isn’t going to kill him. He’s 6′1 in reality, and that’s 2 inches more than Brees. His accuracy won’t be questioned, and it is doubtful that he’ll be doubted on reading defenses.
His downside isn’t enough to keep him out of the 1st, given that his upside is in almost all of the right places.
Bottom Line said:
April 28th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
“It was because of a talent issue, which the Leach Tech O brilliantly managed to keep under the lid until those workouts”.
You are correct Sir!
Even the douche of all drunken douches, Bomar, got drafted.
Tim said:
April 28th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
“Harrell didn’t get drafted because of Tim’s behavior on this site.”
Glad I could help everyone out.
I don’t think it has anything to do with attitude, behavior, or doucebaggery. If so Graham would have gone long before Rhett Bomar.
Rad Raider said:
April 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
“Glad I could help everyone out.”
Yea, and you could keep on helping everyone out by getting off this board and never coming back. Either that or you could stop being a whiney, forty year old virgin still living with his momma or you could go and jump off a bridge – your choice, no one around here is pushing you in one direction or the other.
SonnyQuarles said:
April 28th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I’m not necessarily defending Harrell or bashing McGee here, but the NFL people miss horribly on their QB evaluating just as often as they hit. See Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Heath Schuler, et al.
Bob in Houston said:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:58 am
But when the guys with the physical tools bomb out, the scouts don’t get blamed.
Ag_in_TX said:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:05 am
There is a parallel to college recruiting here as well. Why was Kapron Lewis Moorse such a highly prized recruit when he couldn’t even make 2nd Team All District? The toolset he possessed, that’s why.
Monahorns said:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:58 am
I am not a big Tech fan but I have met Graham Harrell and played basketball with him several times. He doesn’t come off as a bad guy. He seems like a very respectable person. I do think he gets carried away on the field and overreacts sometimes. We have all seen it. I think he is very competitive and let’s it get the best of him. He definitely could have used someone to settle him down in those times and teach that kind of response is not respectable or mature. I know I have done and said things while in a heated situation that I didn’t see the foolishness of until I thought about it later. I also have had people around me call me out on it too. Just my thoughts.
Tim Tebow said:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Yeah, Harrell never really gets too carried away out on the field.
Oh yeah, I can’t wait to be the first fullback selected next year.
In the name of the Father, Me, and the Holy Ghost, Amen. Peace be with you.
ChicagoTTU said:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:44 am
I once saw B.J. Symons in a white kangol and a FUBU jersey.
huge said:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am
bj symons loves jager
ChicagoTTU said:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am
…as well as gettin’ crunk and representin’.
bighornfan32 said:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Colt is a legit 6′2″. His size is a non-issue, one that manifested his freshman year when he was 20 pounds lighter (at least) and an inch or two shorter. His arm has improved enough to be considered “good enough” for the NFL, and his accuracy, mobility, and intangibles will make him a 2nd rounder at the lowest.
kevwun said:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I have an aggie cousin who told me the other day that Harrell drilled an aggie cadet in the head with an “errant” throw in warm ups this year. He said that all pre-game warm ups are recorded at kyle field and they went back and looked at the tape from his sophomore year and found that he’d done the same thing before that game.
HenryJames said:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I take back any bad things I said about him.
Nordberg said:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Well, we did say he was accurate.
Woody Bombay said:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Why is Stephen McGee considered “a fine young man”?
Maybe it’s I’ve only seen him on the field, but every time I saw McGee play he acted like a complete asshole. Win or lose.
Rad Raider said:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
“Either that or you could stop being a whiney, forty year old virgin still living with his momma or you could go and jump off a bridge – your choice, no one around here is pushing you in one direction or the other.”
Hey, just wanted to let you know that I did not really mean what I said (geez, I really am sort of afraid that you will go and jump off a bridge and hurt yourself), I was just joking. I am sure that you are a cool fellow who drives a lambourghini and who still has a real live set of hair on his head – and, no, I don’t really believe you still live with your mother.
For my part, feel free to post whenever you wish. I really do enjoy reading your posts. I find them insightful and informative and occasionally funny too.
Aggie Lurking said:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Woody,
Maybe you thought he was an asshole ’cause he was schooling your team with Mac’s castoffs and a crappy coach at the helm.
HTH
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I seem to remember reading that the biggest knock against Harrell was his decision making. Of course, I could be wrong. But that leads me to wonder how the spread that Tech runs could have contributed to that. I mean, isn’t one of the biggest points of their offense to get the ball out ASAP? So, wouldn’t it make sense that Harrell wouldn’t have the experience needed to really make good decisions after the snap?
I’m not an expert on football by any means, so those are legit questions.
dick said:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
lurking, check this past aggy game for the most representative mcgee dooshbagness.
Woody Bombay said:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Lurker,
You should read the entire post. “Win or lose” is the last thing I typed.
Think back to Thanksgiving. McGee taunted the Texas sideline after Kindle buried him. As the Horns were laying a 49-9 shellacking on the “men” of Kyle. And, if memory serves, he scored a couple of times in UT’s 40-29 win in 2005. And he acted like a cocky dickhead then, too.
So, again: Win or lose, he acted like an asshole. Where’s the “fine young man” part come in?
Woody B. Wright said:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Woody is correct in saying McGee always acted like a douche. It was kind of a Harrell-Bomar-Theisman type of douchery that goes beyond vinegar and water.
the Bobs said:
April 30th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Bob in Houston nailed it: “But when the guys with the physical tools bomb out, the scouts don’t get blamed.”
The NFL is all about “measurables”. They’ll happily ignore years of sub-par, on-the-field performance if someone’s 40-time, and wingspan, and hand size, etc. all come out like they want them. The career arc of Mike Mamula is certainly a cautionary tale, but their true caution is having someone they really took a chance on purely based on actual play rather than workouts fail. Then they’d be on the line, rather than being able to point to numbers on a spreadsheet.
Basically the league is ripe for a smart, ‘Moneyball’ approach. The Patriots are probably come the closest to that approach, but if someone out there really bought into it, they’d probably eat the rest of the league alive and stay miles under the salary cap…
maninblack said:
April 30th, 2009 at 6:54 am
I can not see Colt being drafted in the first round. I hope he does but I just don’t see it.
Aggie Lurking said:
April 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am
McGee’s cockiness should not be considered bad behavior anymore than the way James Brown would taunt our team coming out of the locker room @ DKR before kickoff. It’s a type of leadership and boldness that other players respond to. Some teamates get fired up, some lose their jitters playing on the road, some opponents get mad and lose focus, it really is unpredictable the response of college players.
If you win you look like a leader if you lose you look like Graham Harrel.
the Bobs said:
May 1st, 2009 at 8:47 am
and if you’re a complete douche, you look like Stephen McGee whether you win or lose…
the Bobs said:
May 1st, 2009 at 8:48 am
and btw – don’t ever, ever, ever dare compare McGee’s “cockiness” (which is often referred to as “acting like a complete asshole” in normal circles…) with anything James Brown ever did.