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1. srr50 said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

   Kansas State was the runner-up for his signature?

   Double Wow

2. Black Scholes said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

   srr – the kid is from Wichita, so that’s got some relevance. Don’t know if it was a sham/courtesy or if Snyder was really polling the alums to see who would write a check.

3. kevwun said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

   What I want to know is if Bryce consulted an Augur, a Zoroastrian and Gozer. When relying on signs from deities, I find it’s best to cover your bases.

4. Bow Shumbuckler said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

   I got an uncle who swears he saw Brown in Crawford, TX the day before he signed.

5. Brian Butler said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

   Dammit Bryce, if someone asks you if you’re a god, you say YES!

6. bgood2texas said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

   I wanted him to go to L$U for a couple of reasons: 1) futher justify my hatred for them and 2) help us with Lache

7. Emmanuel Moody said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

   Hai guiz!

8. mr. sunshine said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

   This is biblical. The combination of Kiffin and Brown will produce an uber douche the scale of which the Old Testament and even the City of Dallas have not previously seen.

9. TaylorTRoom said:

   March 16th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

   I wouldn’t read too much into KSU being the runner up. Every bought kid needs a stalking horse to drive the bidding up, and Miami dropped out last week.

10. dedfischer said:

    March 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    I wonder if Kiff had to rip his shirt off.

11. drankthewine said:

    March 16th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    curious if this kid will help kiffin with the prison style shower treatment that Tenn will be greeted with next fall in the SEC.

12. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 16th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    What’s with all this secular skepticism? Can anyone tell me why God and under the table dinero cannot go together, exactly? Any wannabe theologians want to give that one a try on the Bark tonight? And by the way, until someone can do this, can we just quit it with the snickering with regard to the God aspect of his decision. It makes everyone on this site sound unholy and unredeemable.

13. justaguy said:

    March 16th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    So who is the first SEC school to turn Kiffin in?

14. Lane Kiffin's Ego said:

    March 16th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    How do you like me now Urban?

15. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Just from the snippets of the news media clips, one can sort of gander that Kiffin is a bit in over his head. Fortunately for him, he has his daddy with him to smooth over the rough edges. Daddy Kiffin, unlike his son, is one of the more respected coaches in football and that respect will be a true and needed asset for the younger Kiffin. It will come in handy, both on and off the field.

    Daddy Kiffin, you maybe a hard working, innovative coach who worked his way up to the top, but, as painfully as it may be, you, sir, obviously gave birth to and raised a dolt and a weeny of a son. It’s also painfully obvious that without your pedigree, your son, most likely, would have ended up “pumping gas” somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and he would not have gotten that dizzy, blonde headed, hottie wife either. And so in gratitude, I, for one, hope that he lets you go and bang her every once in a while. Lord, knows you deserve it and have earned it. I salute you old man.

16. justaguy said:

    March 16th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Monte Kiffin being on that staff means nothing to those other coaches. Junior has gone around and call out anyone and everyone without done shit yet to earn one bit of credibility.

    He committed a recruiting violation while trying to show how he whipped Urban’s ass in recruiting and anyone that doesn’t think every single coach in that conference won’t be after Lane’s ass better remember that as long as you play by the rules in the SEC cheating is fine, but when you call people out in gets damn ugly fast.

17. Pitchin Paul said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 5:09 am

    With the Vols and Kiffin setting out to bend and break every NCAA rule they can find this does not bode well for Middle Tennessee State. The NCAA in a show of force will no doubt put the Blue Raiders on three years probation as a warning to Kiffin and Tennessee to slow down because they are on to them.

18. Capt. Insano said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 7:49 am

    Brown’s sign from God was a room full of shirtless dudes and “It’s Raining Men” was playing in the background.

19. Michael Crabtree said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    I dreamed it! In my head!

20. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    “The NCAA in a show of force will no doubt put the Blue Raiders on three years probation”

    You were probably joking, but still, I must say that this is doubtful. Most likely, the NCAA in the near future will finally crack down to some extent on some of the big players. Not sure if cheating has gotten so out of hand to warrant such a move at the current time, but it is probably not far off, even if it puts a temporary dent on the business that is CFB. One of the unique charms of CFB is its innocence of amatuerism, that players play cause they want to and not cause it is a business, and you can see this difference of attitude in their play on the field, unlike the NFL. In the near future, the NCAA will reel in some of the outlaw big boy schools in a effort, to a certain extent, to protect the integrity of this appeal, even if it is not much more than a publicity stunt to appease the skepticism and yearning for justice from the general public. They won’t have much an other choice on the matter. It will be necessitated as a business decision for the good of CFB overall and in the long run.

    One school to look for to get hammered would be USC. USC is probably allowed to get away with what they do because there currently is no NFL team in the Southern Cali market and, thus, no other competition for the football sports dollars in that area. So right now, USC is sort of gold mine for the NCAA or the business of sport. But as soon as there is some competitor in Southern Cali to which the sports dollars can be redirected and flow, look for USC to get the comeuppance for all their recent run of unreal success and, just before all this takes place, look for Petey Carroll to quietly slip away into retirement.

21. Ag_in_TX said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    I wonder if Kiffin lets recruits look at naked pictures of his wife to encourage them to come to UT?

22. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    To be frank, Kiffin’s most prized recruit looks as if she is the type that looks better with the clothes on than with them off. Let the imagination work its wonder and don’t let it get disappointed with the plainess and the lack of curves of the original. Just take that phony blonde hair away, and her value probably tanks like the stock market. And besides, the lady has had two or three kids. Stretch marks are always so yucky. So Kiffin is on the right and wise track. Money is probably better at enticing young, corrupt, athletic studs than naked pictures of the wife.

23. Pee Wee Herman said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Shaggy,

    Isn’t going to happen based upon past history of the NCAA.

    OU’s starting quarterback is on the front cover of Sports Illustrated in an orange jumpsuit for drug trafficing, a gang rape in the Wilkinson house, one players shoots another over in an argument over a cassette tape, and your star linebacker does everything but drops his pants on the sidelines during a bowl game.

    Sports Illustrated prints an edition in which the cover is an open letter to the president of the University of Miami asking him to please shut down the football program which is out of control, Luther Campbell of T.L.C. fame tells anyone who will listen he is going to the NCAA with everything he knows if he choice for qb isn’t named starter, and the Canes put one of the worst displays of conduct ever in a bowl game.

    Both meet if not exceed the NCAA’s definition for lack of institutional control, both have had multiple issues with the NCAA, and both receive minor penalties when you consider what the NCAA did to SMU and TCU.

24. BatesHorn said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    I think Diamond Joe Quimby Summed it up best:

    “Thank you, Fat Tony. However, in the future, I would prefer a nondescript briefcase to the sack with a dollar sign on it.”

25. the Bobs said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    shaggy…
    “One of the unique charms of CFB is its innocence of amatuerism…”

    Right about there is where everyone in the general vicinity heard the laughter really start to build. By the time where you get to the part where the NCAA, that bastion of righteousness and justice, hammers USC, I guarantee the guffaws were rolling and the tears were flowing.

    To be honest, I don’t really get all that wrought up about players getting paid as a moral issue. Basically our veneration of “amateurism” is an anachronism born of a class distinction in Victorian England – ‘Chariots of Fire’ touches on that a little. Just about everybody else involved with college football gets paid, and often pretty well. The actual players, though, are expected to grin and say: “Thank you, massa!!!” when they get a scholarship they get to use while working, in essence, a full-time job.

    My problem with players getting paid in the current system, then, is not moral at all, but strictly a matter of unfair competitive advantage. If, just for a wild, out-of-the-blue example – Oklahoma had to compete for recruits on a level playing field with Texas, just how many championships would they have? Basically, they’ve always known that UT would largely play by the rules – almost all of UT’s violations have been more technical than just outright cash payments – and they’ve used that to their advantage. Sooners are always welcome to argue that, since that usually provides rich comedy and okie-style cognitive dissonance.

    I think big-time college football players should get paid – not market value, but a modest salary, same for everyone. It’s certainly fairer, since nobody I know goes to see the administrators administrate or coaches coach or SIDs… well, you get my drift. The other great benefit to this is that when certain institutions er, push the boundaries, the toothless investigation arm of the NCAA should be vastly better armed since I would suppose they could involve the IRS. The Reggie Bushes of the world might find it a little more daunting thumbing their noses at them as opposed to the NCAA…

26. Scipio Tex said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    The Bobs:

    Good post. How would you reconcile athlete payment with Title IX?

27. QUAKER OATS N DR PEPPER said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Brown is out of it.I am so f*ckin’ sick of these damn holy rollers. They hijacked the Republican Party and they’re attempting 2 do the same thing with sports.

28. the Bobs said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    ha!

    well, of course, personally I would blow Title IX completely up… I’d like to see more men’s volleyball teams and such.

    I’m no lawyer (and I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express…), and even if I was, trying to navigate the waters of federal government enmeshment would be too dangerous for my taste, but in this dream-world I’m describing, only the real revenue-generating sports would pay – and that’s basically men’s football. My understanding is that football was exempt from Title IX numbers… could be completely wrong on that though.

29. Scipio Tex said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Gotcha.

    I think the greater issue is the notion that you’d have to pay non-revenue sports similarly to revenue-generating sports. That’s the whole point of Title IX – it’s not about revenue reality, it’s about “fairness” and “equity.”

    So that would submarine the idea for all but the wealthiest institutions.

30. Facebook User said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    We should get congress involved in this. Oh, wait…

31. BatesHorn said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Strong post, Bob(s?).

32. Dave said:

    March 17th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Here’s to Randy Shannon for the telling the kid to piss off.

33. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    With all the talk about the 10% rule, didn’t we just get over going on and on about the value of just having the opportunity to get an education. Is not education a value unto itself? And so, why is there such a need and desire to offer monetary rewards to athletically gifted teenagers? At their ages and maturity levels, what real use is money to them to begin with. They are offered free room and board at the University. Also, does not emphasizing monetary rewards over and above learning and the inherent value of an education… …does that not teach, young and impressionable young adults, the wrong set of values to carry with them for the rest of their lives? What real need do teenagers have for money? They have been given the gift of a free ride and an opportunity to play in the NFL. What more can they realistic ask for out of life?

    And it is besides the point if others make indecent levels of money due to their athletic talents. Where is the connection between this fact and the idea that they, the players, deserve to get a cut of that revenue? Just because one set of people are criminals, does that necessitate that everyone else has to join in and become criminals as well? That folks is how social values gradually deteriorate over time.

    Does not society have higher and more relevant needs than the pay out of much needed funds to satisfy the superficial needs of teenagers, most of whom come from the inner city? They are accustom to not having any money for the most part. Why teach them another way of life and accustom them to unhealthy materialistic habits at such an early age in their lives? Let’s be honest, are the middle class and the upper classes in America… …can they really be considered to be all that happy (aren’t they all high on prescription drugs or something other by the time they hit 40 or 50) or happier than a CFB athlete, just as they are now? I would say not.

    Just because others involved in this scenario enrich themselves, does not mean that all the rest, especially teenagers, should get involved and allow themselves to be corrupted by the monetary system and monetary gains as well. Jealousy should never be a main motive in order to obtain a just and equitable outcome, and jealousy should not be taught as something which is rewarded and condoned by society, especially to young, impressionable kids, and especially considering they tend to come from neighborhoods which are racked by violence due to the social legitimization of jealousy in the belief systems of those neighborhoods.

    And why does the NCAA need to pay players, before they crack down. If they chose, they could do so right as of this moment. Everyone knows what is going on. And so, from my perspective, I can see no legitimate and social health promoting reason for paying players in CFB.

34. intellectual type said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Mr. Madison, what you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

35. HUMBLE SNOB said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    College Football playas most definately NEED 2 get paid. Pro Football playas are underpaid as it is. The pain they have 2 endure year ’round. Interview those Cajun-French Mountain Lions by the names of Eli & Peyton (they look 2 Paris as opposed 2 Washington 4 inspiration). Those Lions hurt. Their limbs, their tails, their paws(feet/toes,hands/digits). In all seriousness, u cannot put a price tag on the kind of pain these Lions have 2 endure. I’m sorry u just can’t. Its not like they can just walk away from the sport, either. These Souljas have 2 continue on….BTW-let us not 4 get how ravaged they become overtime n then end up in some assisted-care facility with diapers by time they are 66. No wonder they often retire so early. Football playas-more money. Aymen 2 that, brother.

36. shawnette said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Let us not fo’git allz da payn killa drugz theys gotts ta b on whin day plae.Giv da mowntin Lyinz en all uf dem udda lyinz mo’ munny-hunny.

37. A Fuck Lion said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Those Lions hurt. Their limbs, their tails, their paws(feet/toes,hands/digits). In all seriousness, u cannot put a price tag on the kind of pain these Lions have 2 endure.

    shit i got a pain 2 endure 2…lol

38. Ewe Had Me At Hello said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    ‘Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.’

    I.T.,
    Well played Sir.
    Sometimes while attempting to read/comprehend the incomprehensible, nonsensical musings of saggy, the voice of Charlie Brown’s teacher grows louder and louder in my head until I blackout.

39. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    “Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.”

    Intellectual type, if you could be intellectual enough to show me, in specific terms, how anything I stated above is wrong and not rational, I would welcome it. And if you cannot, then I would suggest a change in your internet sig.

    To crack a tough nut (as Scipio puts it) and to put it in a nutshell, I was just pointing out that Bob’s statement read between the lines is really an expression of nihilistic tendencies, which should not be all that surprising to anyone who has a sense for what nihilism is. It should surprise no one that nihilism as an ideology appeared in Western culture around the same time as capitalism and its values. In reality, they are merely just two differing sides of the same coin. Just two differing faces of the same impulse, although they may on their face appear to be different to one who is among the ignorant masses. In this respect, it is similar to the relation between the sub-conscious and the things-in-themselves or the unrepresented. For those two concepts also appeared in Western thought around the same time and they, too, are merely two differing faces of the same impulse, for they always go together. Where one of them exist, so must the other. Their appearance and existence basically signifies that the world view through which one is looking is false, full of lies, and insincere, and so in this way, these two, also, are related to nihilism.

    And so, basically, in a nutshell, that is all that I was saying. I felt it was my social duty as a citizen, to correct and alert everyone of “the Bobs” nihilistic tendencies. I would not want any innocent and impression boobs to fall under its sway.

40. Clever said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Shaggie Aggie=Doperbo-poking fun at the “religious ones”.

41. the Bobs said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    shaggy, you really, really, really need to check your dosage…

    I was going to answer you intelligently, but then reread your posts and decided that wasn’t really your venue, so to speak. I do hope you continue with your education, a couple more years of upper-level aggie logic and language courses and you’ll be right there at humble snob level. Do try to stay awake through the entire philosophy and economics classes, I think you’re maybe missing a few things in both… but dude, you’re totally rocking your ESL!!!

    I’m glad to hear that you’re not “corrupted by the monetary system”… are you posting this crap from the library?

42. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    “I was going to answer you intelligently”

    Go for it, even an Aggie deserves a chance. I would really like to hear your intelligent response. Even an Aggie can learn new tricks you know. Spread your wisdom and understanding. Maybe some of it will spill over to my way. Go ahead and answer intelligently, and I will respond in kind. No joking. I do have to warn you though. It is exceedingly rare that this Ag ever loses an argument, intelligent or otherwise.

43. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    The Bobs, show me how your TU, Tier I education is superior to and better than my Aggie edumacacion. I have to admit, my knees are quaking at the very thought.

44. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    You know Bobs, everyone around here believes that my position is ridiculous and borders on the insane. It should be easy to pick apart and, certainly, easy pickings for a guy like you. You have a much stronger starting position according to popular opinion. Don’t be afraid to express your thoughts. You are almost in a can’t lose position to begin with.

45. the Bobs said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    “Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument an exchange of ignorance.” ~Robert Quillen

    and I don’t think you’re really looking for a discussion here about the merits of paying college football players…

46. The Stories Sheep Taint Could Tell said:

    March 18th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Sorry Bobs, you’ll have to wait till tomorrow. We tranquilize all fucktards by 10 pm. Don’t worry, we removed his bungee cord tether and protective headgear and he’s now fast asleep dreaming of aggy relevance and a captive audience.
    SHHH! Don’t wake him…

47. DUBAI IS BIPOLAR said:

    March 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Ay, “A FUCK LION”, I’m dead serious. But u continue 2 poke fun at one of my personalities-my alpha-numerical personality 2 b precise. Eli & Peyton should be paid more. Besides, these r Cajun-French Mountain Lions…cultured and yet unfancy, the Lions enjoy Gumbo, Jambalaya, Crawfish, Tennessee Williams and Jazz.

48. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 19th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    The Bobs before you choose to use a quote may I suggest that you first understand the particular quote a little better.

    “Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument an exchange of ignorance.” ~Robert Quillen

    If you did not notice, the main underlying point of your quote is the notion that, ultimately, sincere motives are what differentiate a discussion from an argument, and, thus, in an ultimate sense, the sincerity of motives determines whether one reaches a state of true understanding or just merely a cheap win using a bag of sophistic tricks. Are you with me so far? Well, you happened to contradict the very quote you use to defend yourselves when you said, “My problem with players getting paid in the current system, then, is not moral at all, but strictly a matter of unfair competitive advantage”. Can you see this? On the one hand you defend yourself by asserting that motivation or what we could refer to as morals matters and determines whether one can grasp the truth or not, and then, on the other, you state that this consideration, morals you could say, should be ignored and things should be evaluated only based on calculated strategic interests. And so I can only conclude that not only are your posts proto-nihilistic, but they are also self-contradictory, which is, again, not surprising, for nihilism always pre-supposes self-contradiction.

49. Horn777 said:

    March 19th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    “My understanding is that football was exempt from Title IX numbers… could be completely wrong on that though.”

    bobs, unfortunately you are wrong on that point. That was the big final issue that Donna Lopiano negotiated on Title IX . . . that football would not be exempt from the numbers.

50. the Bobs said:

    March 19th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    yeah, horn777, that’s unfortunate. Maybe what I’d heard that led to my misunderstanding was that the big football schools, to meet the numbers and still include football, have cut so many other men’s sports. Like I said, I’m no expert on Title IX, but every single thing I’ve ever heard about it makes it sound, well, like something Congress would screw up. It’s a wonder if we don’t have those clowns somehow siphoning money into their own pockets on this…

    So Scipio was right, that’s probably a deal-breaker. Or would be if there was the slightest chance of a deal in the first place… It’s kind of hard to effect that kind of culture shift when the entities that would have to pay out the money are the ones that get to keep all of it in the status quo. I recognize that my notion of paying the players is a utopian pipe dream, but I still think it would be the right thing to do.

    and shaggy, you may consider it immoral to be paid. I don’t. That’s pretty much the end of our “discussion”.

51. Shaggy Aggie said:

    March 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    “It’s kind of hard to effect that kind of culture shift”

    The Bobs it is always kind of hard to effect any kind of sensible cultural change when that said culture is comprised predominately of people as ignorant and hypocritical as yourself. You would happen to be a prime example and cause of that cultural inertia which you berate.

    As an example, you deign to use that quote differentiating discussion from argument to defend yourself and to get out of responding to me, but that is the only time you stoop to identifying with the meaning inherent in that quote. Everywhere else you contradict and trash the meaning, the intent, and the spirit of that quote. How exactly do you blend without contradiction your treasured and so called economic theories with the lawyers and legal system that governs that economy? Are not the manner and method lawyers and the law uses to settle disputes closer in resemblance to the “argument and ignorance” side of your blessed quote than the discussion end? And if this is the case, and the laws governing your blessed economic theories must be held to be an exchange of ignorance, using your quote, then does this also not strongly suggest that your very beloved economic theories must also, in the end, lead an exchange of ignorance or something else very analogous to it?

    Also, to put it even more directly, is not capitalistic business competition more analogous to the argument end of your quote than the dicussion end? And if this is the case, then can we also not be safe to say, using again your quote, that this type of competition also leads to exchanges of ignorance or something analogous to it?

    You see, the Bobs, whenever one contradicts himself on the metaphysical level, that contradiction eventually must also express and manifest itself on the social level and all other levels which derive from that metaphysical level. So, as we can all see, that contradiction I noted in my previous comment was not limited strictly to the theoretical level. It eventually must express itself in our world on the real and practical level as well.

    And so, do you now see clearer how your stated beliefs and your quote cannot be harmonized and how you, as is typical of your kind, are holding two differing and contradictory beliefs, at one and the same time?

    Also, I never said that it was immoral to be paid. I just implied that it was immoral to believe that morals do not matter and are irrelevant, and should not be considered. Is that bit of logic all that hard to follow?

    My suggestion to you would be for you to put down your itty bitty, teeny weeny economic theories and to learn how to think with greater clarity. Obviously, you are lacking in this area. You cannot even defend yourself without contradicting yourself.

    As I said above, basically, you are a nihilist who is too ignorant and unreflective to be aware that you are in fact a nihilist. Don’t fret about it too much. These days you have a large crowd of people as company in this respect. I suspect that by the time the hair on your pointy little head starts to fall out, you will come to the realization then that the Shag Ag had a point and you will come to be aware of the nihilism that underlies your beliefs, at least to a certain extent.

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