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Posted by Scipio Tex on March 3rd, 2009 under Football, Recruiting
It’s closing time for elite athletes in Texas. You don’t have to go home but you can’t stay here…unless you’re willing to commit before, umm, April of your Junior year.
This is the companion piece to the Magnificent Seven and it is meant to spark some discussion of where we are and where we’re headed for our next three to six commitments. Our coaches should be holding these last few ’ships dearly. If they don’t, they deserve to catch hell for their lack of ambition and some arbitrary need to finish up the class before the weather gets warm.
Defense (10):
DL
Greg Daniels DE Houston, TX
Taylor Bible DT Denton, TX
DeAires Cotton DT Alief, TX
Ashton Dorsey DT Tyler, TX
Bible is an elite talent who I covet as much as any recruit in recent memory. Cotton and Dorsey arguably represent the next two best DTs in the state; certainly 2 of the next best 4. At DE, Greg Daniels is a nice find though he gives us some indication of how the staff handicaps the likelihood of landing Reggie Wilson and Jackson Jeffcoat together – or either one
LB
Aaron Benson LB Cedar Hill, TX
Tevin Jackson LB Garland, TX
This is the Muschamp model for a LB. If you can’t run, don’t apply. Really versatile players with the ability to blitz, punish in the open field, play the bubble screen as adeptly as a dive play. We need one more and our sights are firmly set on Hicks and Nelson.
I think Nelson is OU or OOS bound. Getting Hicks to Austin will mean taking on Florida and Ohio State who will stay in the game simply by getting Hicks to promise not to commit early – thus almost ensuring that we’ll puss out sometime in September. If we brick on both, look for us to re-evaluate here and grab someone else. Aaron Franklin from Marshall is an interesting possibility if his knee heals. There are a half-dozen other back-up plan guys who are reasonable takes.
DB
Carrington Byndom DB Lufkin, TX
Ahmad Dixon DB Waco, TX
Bryant Jackson DB Sulphur Springs, TX
Adrian Phillips ATH Garland, TX
I really like all four of these guys. Ahmad Dixon is an elite animal who fills the alley and knocks people out. Bryant Jackson is a great ball-hawking complement to him. Byndom is yet another skinny kid who can run and he has great academics to boot – you need at least one brain in your defensive backfield. We’ll try him at CB initially – his film suggests the ability to do it. I listed Phillips here simply because I felt like it: he’s a baller wherever you put him, but if he can pull off CB or S, our defense will be the better for it.
We’ll take one more here if it’s the right guy: probably Adrian White or Tyler Stephenson. Some believe White is a “silent commit”, but I think the staff has little appetite for that game and will look elsewhere if it persists, unless there’s some family issue that forces it to be so. Stephenson didn’t make it to Junior Day and his ’ship will sail if he doesn’t make make the hajj to kiss Mack’s ring.
Overall:
I’m impressed. Everyone can run and there’s not a reach to be found. We’re starting to address the roster imbalance between offense and defense and I like the coherence of our defensive recruiting across the board: parts fit, takes make sense, there’s an underlying discipline to what we’re doing. We’re dominating DFW and East Texas, though some really big names yet remain on the board.
Needs?
One DE. One LB. One CB.
None of these needs are life and death and the quality of the athlete will dictate more than positional need. In other words, finishing with Jeffocat, Wilson, Hicks is the best possible outcome even if it means not getting another corner.
Offense (9):
QB
Case McCoy QB Graham, TX
Connor Wood QB Houston, TX
We’re done here and we’ve addressed some depth issues in the process. There are better QBs than Case McCoy in-state and there were realistic possibilities out-of-state, but the staff had to weigh Connor Wood’s sense of threat with the other offer, so, on balance, I shrug at his inclusion.
Traylon Shead RB Cayuga, TX
Appears to be Seastrunk or bust here. The 2011 class is loaded at RB and we’ll most certainly take two of them. I won’t hitch my trailer of hope to the Seastrunk circus. This is Applewhite’s first RB class as the RB coach (Whaley was given to him) and if Shead is his choice, I’m not really sure what he’s doing to create an identity here.
WR/TE
Ross Apo WR Arlington, TX
John Harris WR Garland, TX
Chris Jones WR Daingerfield, TX
Darius Terrell TE Desoto, TX
The inability of major recruiting services to secure film for John Harris or Ross Apo is bizarre. Until then, I reserve judgement. At first blush both appear to be redundant in skill set and size.
Chris Jones is a great take.
Darius Terrell makes sense as a convert project. He can’t play WR for us unless you anticipate OU starting a glacier at CB.
DeMarco Cobbs and Darius White still loom large while it appears that we may only have room for one more. Cobbs may not not want to deal with the headache that comes with an Oklahoma kid committing to Texas; Darius White has to be more than a little confused right now given that he’s same physical type as Apo and Harris. Folks, they ain’t slot receivers. DeAndrew White & Chris Hawkins are really good players that may need academic work so they may be on the outside looking in. Trovon Reed is a pipe dream.
OL
Dominic Espinosa OL Cedar Park, TX
Trey Hopkins OL Galena Park, TX
I’m excited about Hopkins – who now clearly projects in our coach’s minds as an OT – and Espinosa is a reasonable get in any year. Espinosa is a possible gray-shirt if the numbers need to be made to work. The way we bricked on Matthews is painful, but fully expected by anyone not named CloseToJumping. We may also need to explain to Evan Washington why his next-in-line offer went to Espinosa. “It wasn’t me, Evan.” But I saw you! Giving him a scholarship! It’s listed in Rivals and Scout. “It wasn’t me.”
Overall:
I have more questions here than on defense, certainly. I thought we took a comfortable fit at one QB spot when there was plenty of time left to evaluate others, I consider our RB more of an athlete, and it’s not readily apparent what we’re doing at WR and OL.
Needs:
An OT makes sense, but our actions belie that. No pressing needs beyond that. This is really about taking guys we believe to be game changers irrespective of position or numbers: White, Cobbs, Seastrunk etc.
Final thoughts:
All told, we’re off to a very good start, but whether this class is judged Top 3 or Top 12 will rest on our capacity to have discipline with our few remaining ships, our willingness to extend timelines and exhibit patience, and our desire to focus as an entire staff on a seven or eight prospects while other teams have to focus on forty or fifty. If our staff will treat the remaining few elite guys as such and try to win half of those battles, we’ll be in the catbird seat next February.
Dr. Saturday opines here.
Ecurbmanchild said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Thanks for the update. I agree that we need to hold out for the elite guys from this point. I dont expect to get many of the super blue chips left out there. Maybe Matthews.
98 said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
wilson is sick.
we need to get him.he will kill us if he ends up at OU.
Scipio Tex said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Wilson and Jeffcoat are both sick.
If both end up at OU, I hope Garrett Gilbert can learn to run a 4.2 40.
Callkevin said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I’m not wishing ill on anyone, but should they both end up at OU I’ll be hoping for careers that mirror Rivals 100 Texan football players like Marvin Byrdsong, DaBryan Blanton, Michael Hawkins, Jorrie Adams, Ofa Mohetau, Tony Cade, Alonzo Dotson, XLK, Tim Washington, Rhett Bomar, William Morrisey, Robbie Reid, Webster Patrick, Dajleon Farr, or a few out-of-staters like Whitney Lewis, Willie Williams, or Chris Patterson. I’m not suggesting jail, but Melvin Alaeze and Fred Rouse were both top 10 in 2005–I’m just saying.
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Finally! I’ve been dying to read a good analysis of our 2010 recruiting. 19 by the end of Feb is just ridiculous… and I’m not sure if I mean that in a good way or a bad way.
Show Horn said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
I vehemently disagree with your statement about us “pussing” out if we don’t hang around until September by not waiting on Hicks.
I think the shoe is on the other foot with 95% of the recruits….we don’t have to wait around on them and to be honest we don’t usually get “those” type of recruits.
It seems you either want to play for us early or we will find someone well. Mack’s strategy has worked extremely well and I think closing up shop early and focusing on the next class is really playing dividends….guys are jumping on offers even quicker this year.
Of course, if a blue chipper becomes available late you take him…but to wait on a kid when comperable talent is available is not the Mack strategy and I think it is right more times than not.
Facebook User said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I don’t think he’s advocating waiting on a guy when you can take one of tantamount talent. It’s the dudes who are not fungible who often take the longest courting.
Fans often say, “We never get those guys anyway” implying they are just not our kind of guys and would have never come to Texas. While in some cases this may be true, not pursuing them with zeal is a likely culprit as well.
bighornfan32 said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Watching the Daniels highlights makes me think of a lesser Alex Okafor, and also makes me less concerned about the offer. The competition level certainly isnt good though.
bigdukesix said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
All told, we’re off to a very good start, but whether this class is judged Top 3 or Top 12 will rest on our capacity to have discipline with our few remaining ships, our willingness to extend timelines and exhibit patience, and our desire to focus as an entire staff on a seven or eight prospects while other teams have to focus on forty or fifty. If our staff will treat the remaining few elite guys as such and try to win half of those battles, we’ll be in the catbird seat next February.
I think you’re spot on here. I’m not terribly confident in our ability to finish in the stretch run, though. I think we’ll end up with more “Plan B” commits than “Plan A” from here on out.
Fans often say, “We never get those guys anyway” implying they are just not our kind of guys and would have never come to Texas. While in some cases this may be true, not pursuing them with zeal is a likely culprit as well.
Exactly. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don’t believe you can get these guys, you won’t.
Scipio Tex said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Show Horn:
There is no comparable talent in Texas that we can land outside of Corey Nelson. Hicks is a game changer – just shy of a Derrick Johnson. And he’s not a “type.” He’s a great, well-spoken kid with no drama.
The notion that a kid who was born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio should come running at the snap of our fingers in his junior year of high school while he’s being recruited by every powerhouse program in the country is beyond asinine. God forbid we actually have to, like, recruit someone.
Scipio Tex said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 pm
bighorn:
Okafor is good because he has that crazy first step. Daniels doesn’t have that, but he’ll be able to pick up Alex and shake all of the change out of his pockets in about three years. Greg is a big growing boy. Don’t be shocked when he’s a 290 pound DT. He’s a take any time, any year, by any team in the country.
Also, St Pius plays better competition than most people think – they routinely play 3A, 4A and 5A public schools as well as the private school effetes.
bigdukesix:
I share some of your skepticism, but it’s clear to me that we’re under new management on the defensive side of the ball. This defensive class is tight.
I also like that Applewhite and Muschamp are willing to fight for the end of the year recruits. I honestly think Brown laughs and says,”Go ahead if it makes you happy.”
We don’t have a pressing “need” anywhere right now. That’s useful for our cause with these guys as Brown has no reason to call for a quick trigger.
Hold Still, I'm Not Done said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 pm
“I vehemently disagree with your statement about us “pussing” out if we don’t hang around until September by not waiting on Hicks”
If the job description requires you to procure talent, you do it from February to fucking February! None of the remaining DIFFERENCE MAKERS have character issues that would preclude recruitment.
Difference Makers: Those two or three special persons in a given year who might actually CONSIDER committing to your university and aid in your quest of achieving football immortality. See Vince Young..
bigdukesix said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I share some of your skepticism, but it’s clear to me that we’re under new management on the defensive side of the ball.
Good point. Muschamp definitely fills me with hope, as well as some other emotions that are weird and deeply confusing.
I’m actually fairly confident on Hicks. I’ll be pretty upset though if Wilson goes to OU and Jeffcoat to Southern Cal. Or Jeffcoat to OU and Wilson anywhere besides Texas.
Hold Still, I'm Not Done said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:34 pm
“Muschamp definitely fills me with hope, as well as some other emotions that are weird and deeply confusing.”
bigdukesix:
Thanks for sharing that. I thought it was just me..
Groundhog Day said:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Show,
Where would we be if we had not waited for VY? More often than not the bluest of the blues are impact players. If we had signed AP we would have had another NC. Do you happen to remember DJ, Charles, Ced, Roy, etc? All were top 5 players. It’s time to close with the super blues. White, Seastrunk, and either or both of Jeffcoat and wilson.
Black Scholes said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:30 am
“…it’s not readily apparent what we’re doing at WR and OL.”
Understatement of this recruiting cycle.
I think Wilson and Nelson are OU-bound. I’ll continue to hold out hope for Jeffcoat; I hope his Dad doesn’t object to the DL drills we do at our next camp.
glenn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 5:29 am
coupla great reads that sharpen the focus.
thanks much.
Fiji QB said:
March 4th, 2009 at 5:44 am
I can tell you from firsthand experience that Daniels is a stud.
beowulf said:
March 4th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Fiji QB/ Jim Geary? Duke Covert?
We recruited 3 OOS’ers to the bitter end this last season. Though we fell short on all of them, I take this as a good sign that we’ll hang in there with the elites of this current class that are left on the board.
All 3 were defensive recruits, however.
Hhhhmmmm…….
dedfischer said:
March 4th, 2009 at 6:18 am
I’m extremely high on FW Dunbar’s Rashad Favors as a LB prospect and Hutto’s Nehemiah Hicks as a TE, although I’m seeing Hicks as DE prospect in the Rivals database. Favors has been playing FS in high school at 6′1, 230″ and can run. Not sure how he’ll do between the tackles, but he’ll be good at OLB too.
8straight said:
March 4th, 2009 at 6:18 am
I’ve read on several sites how we “bricked” on Matthews. I’m not doubting it but just curious if Bruce Matthews said this to someone in the media or it was heard first hand by someone on one of these sites?
Groundhog Day said:
March 4th, 2009 at 6:47 am
We need Seastrunk. Our inability to recruit an elite RB the last 4-5 years is telling. Do you think this is due to what Bruce Matthews saw? But then what the hell does that guy know? GD is god.
Trips Right said:
March 4th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Great post. Thanks for tying it all together.
Big Satan said:
March 4th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Thanks. My anger, disquiet, and general discontent was lying just beneath the surface. Your eloquent summary has now brought it out. Thanks for that.
Texasfootball said:
March 4th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Scipio—well done for a guy that wasn’t even in the backfield. Regardless of the track record I just can’t see Muschamp giving up on Jeffcoat and Wilson until the ink is dry on their LOI’s. I can’t see Muschamp settling at LB either—either he gets flying bazookas like Nelson and Hicks that can make plays or he will pad the DE/SS numbers and just scheme around actual second level positions.
It’s easy to find so many things to like about coach Muschamp and his approach to everything football but one aspect not talked about enough is his attitude about playing time. You prove you deserve to play and you will play some snaps. We’ve seen too many “I’ve paid the price” upperclassmen stay on the field while younger talent grew stale awaiting mop-up duty in the laughers. Muschamp won’t allow another Sergio Kindle to screw off two years of eligibility because he’s a pampered inmature talent that misses meetings or jacks around in drills. Muschamp’s way proves if you man-up and compete every day you will get rotation snaps if your performance is deserving regardless of experience or classification—sorely needed in this day and time. Almost every single “high school Harry” wants early playing time and programs that show they are willing to put the best/deserving on the field usually do very well with the late declaring signing day signees.
The General said:
March 4th, 2009 at 7:46 am
I can tell you from firsthand experience that Daniels is a stud.
Todd Dodge?
Did Greg Daniels work you over when you were at St. Johns or Second Baptist?
Horncasting said:
March 4th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I’ve read on several sites how we “bricked” on Matthews. I’m not doubting it but just curious if Bruce Matthews said this to someone in the media or it was heard first hand by someone on one of these sites?
The fact that OB’s has not published an interview with Jake yet is telling IMO. Or they have talked to him and aren’t discussing what he said to avoid a meltdown.
hopefulhorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Typically fine summary–thanks.
Point well taken on Muschamp’s philosophical clarity extending to the selection of players that fit. GD’s grab-bag approach (particularly in the running game, as you have written) also shows in recruiting.
This sort of analysis makes this the best source of insightful commentary on the program around.
8straight said:
March 4th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Again, he may have dumped all over everything UT but until there is a direct quote it is speculation.
The General said:
March 4th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Also, St Pius plays better competition than most people think – they routinely play 3A, 4A and 5A public schools as well as the private school effetes.
I agree. I played at Beaumont Kelly, and we were 3A size, but dominated the local 3A public high schools and could hang with the low end 4A schools. Most of the private schools play the majority of their schedule against similar classification local public schools.
Henry Melton said:
March 4th, 2009 at 8:34 am
our OL and RB schemes are elite. They fit my style perfectly. Whaley, you have alot to look forward to.
Phil Stroud said:
March 4th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Wulf, probably not a lot folks got your Fiji QB question, but I laughed.
Vasherized said:
March 4th, 2009 at 9:04 am
It’s crazy when the latest recruiting update in March recaps the last seven commitments and you recapped it deftly, Scipio.
The defensive portion of this class is what stands out IMO:
A Muschamp test tube LB in Aaron Benson.
A Tommie Harris pass-rushing, pocket-stuffing clone in Taylor Bible.
A lanky-armed physical specimen in Daniels that could sprout like an oak and move inside or go Jarvis Moss by his senior year at DE.
A tall, rangy sniper in Bryant Jackson (that will inevitably be moved from Safety because it’s apparently illegal guy playing centerfield taller than 6′1″.)
And a hell of an athlete at DT in Dorsey. Quick feet, big motor, and plays mean.
Chris Jones jumps off the screen on the offensive side. Dude has a nose for the endzone and I like the Triple Lindy offensive scheme he played in for Daingerfield.
And we have no business landing Connor Wood the year after Gilbert. Throw in McCoy and we’re set at QB for the distant future.
Clearly, Mack likes kids from teams that make deep runs in the playoffs or just win the whole damn thing.
UTHornFan014 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 9:59 am
General,
When did you go to Beaumont Kelly?
The General said:
March 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am
mid 90’s
The General said:
March 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Wulf, probably not a lot folks got your Fiji QB question, but I laughed.
I also.
Bobby Kennedy said:
March 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Darius White needs to hurry up and commit. I’ve got a tee time in April that I can’t move.
BatesHorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 10:31 am
There’s nothing I dislike about this class (I loves me some double negatives). Do I want the remaining BMOCs? Sure, and as someone else said, if we pull 3 or 4 of them, we will have done exceptionally well.
I’m happy.
That’s it. This makes me happy.
Austin Box said:
March 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Piss on it..
UTHornFan014 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Ah… I was just wondering because my school (Lutheran High North) played yall in varsity soccer fairly often and got in a brawl with Beamount Kelly my sophomore year (99/00).
I’m not sure if they’ve played each other since then.
Scipio Tex said:
March 4th, 2009 at 11:36 am
A soccer brawl? What did that look like?
Did they stand at each end and text each other violent messages while frosting their hair?
UTHornFan014 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 11:42 am
I’d say half of each team did that (although I’m not sure how advanced texting was then), while the other half flopped and feigned injury when anyone got near them.
Stuck in MN said:
March 4th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Did they hand out yellow cards for all the scratching and hair pulling?
Nordberg said:
March 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I’d imagine a whole lot of nothing happened for a painfully long amount of time, until someone got in a lucky punch, at which point everyone went apeshit.
BatesHorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
They’ve been known to get violent on occasion:
Ojnab Bob said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Fear not. Should anyone get hurt, there’s always a trainer ready with the mythical “magic soccer spray” – guaranteed to get the patient off of his stretcher and sprinting again within seconds!
Groundhog Day said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
I love our defensive takes and would love to add White, Wilson, Jeffcoat, and Hicks. I think we get White and either Wilson or Jeffcoat. Hicks is a longshot. I bet he ends up a buckeye.
I’m confused with a couple of our offensive takes. Namely Apo and Harris….Aren’t they the same player? I’m a little confused why we took two QB’s and I’m a little confused on the Darious Terrell take. Seastrunk and the two Whites are must haves. Why can’t UT sign an elite RB? Truly mindboggling.
UTHornFan014 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Most of the players ended up in a couple of piles that looked like rugby scrums.
I tried to stay out of those for as long as I could. I ran around and pulled a bitch move (I’m not afraid to admit it).
I would go hit people on the other team that were preoccupied with one of my other teammates and then I’d just move on to someone else. That worked for awhile until I got tackled and punched a few times. Then a damn pile formed on top of me and I couldn’t really get out.
Vasherized said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I always preferred the Zidane Headbutt to the chest. It works particularly well against Italians.
Unfortunately there were no Italians in the SPC conference in which I thrived.
Hold Still, I'm Not Done said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Somehow I always associated “football hooliganism” with OU..
Anyway, glad to hear that when “cooler heads prevailed” there wasn’t any irreparable damage to a nail bed.. or taint.. or..
ed said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Scip: Great insight on the commitments, esp. on the defensive side. A few points to ponder:
(1) I doubt we’ll get the “elite” RB while playing this offense; it kinda goes with the territory; I don’t like it but I can live with it as long as the QB and WR talent flows in.
(2) Not recruiting an OT seems a small point; we just signed 3 OTs, and the staff may know of 3-4 more OT studs coming along in 2011.
(3) Muschamp provides the counter to Mack’s “Texas only” philosophy; he’ll start closing on a few OOS studs before long.
(4) If this class runs to 24, there will have to be 8-10 current scholarship guys who leave early . . . guess we can all pick out a few, but 8-10 “attrition cases” before Aug. 2010 is a lot.
BatesHorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
In all fairness, soccer is a bit of a pussy sport, but Zidane was not.
Mysterious Package said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Solid start but I am sick of “pussing out” on elite 5* RB’s. Applewhite needs to show me something here and as you alluded to earlier, the last one was given on a silver platter. No reason to not seal the deal on a local stud. We need results. OL is what OL is, a melting pot of players from Texas. Hopefully no more Charlie Tanners. Bobby Kennedy loves his job but he will have to cancel the tee times to prove of value. Carrot Top could out there and bring in the WR’s that have committed. No knock on the kids, just saying they are the low hanging fruit that we knew would commit if offered.
Ecurbmanchild said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Groundhog, Darius will be an awesome TE, not WR and I think we recruited him for that position.
On the QB issue, we are very low on depth for that position and were in great need for at least 2 good guys.
Ricky said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Actually soccer isn’t any more of a pussy sport than basketball. You see a lot more guys banging heads and getting slide tackled to the turf in soccer than anything in basketball. In fact studies show that professional soccer players suffer brain damage from all the head balls!
Soccer is hurt by its rules. Get rid of direct free kicks and penalties and the pussified diving would stop and guys would get more physical. The penalties for fouling and the rewards for faking it are just too strong for teams and players not to strategize around it. If basketball changed its rules and players fouled out after 2 fouls you would see guys flopping left and right in hopes of fouling out opposing players. In fact even by adding just one more foul, the NBA is much more physical than college.
If you want a real pussified sport go for baseball. For a sport where both sides have a player on the field wielding a weapon it sure is lame!
LAHorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Not sure that taking both Apo and Harris should create quite so much consternation. My understanding is that Apo will be on a Mormon mission for two years. If that’s the case, Harris will be two classes ahead of Apo (or 3 depending on RS).
beowulf said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Huckleberry plays baseball. You’re on to something, Ricky.
HenryJames said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Apo has said that he is not doing a mission.
Big Love said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Does Apo have to go on a Mormon mission if he doesn’t attend BYU?
beowulf said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
LAH. That Mormon mission issue had been discussed several times. Apo says it’s not going to happen.
But I agree with the gist of your thoughts anyway.
BatesHorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I’m pretty much outing myself here, but the world cup would be alot more enjoyable if they’d crack down on that shit, especially the Italians.
LAHorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Re: Apo, I sit corrected.
Re: soccer, in my opinion it’s the greatest sport outside of UT football.
Scipio Tex said:
March 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I would caution against making up your minds on Apo and Harris until the film comes in.
ed:
I agree with all you wrote.
UTHornFan014:
I’m impressed with your honesty. And, point of fact, in any mass group fight, running around blindisiding people is just solid tactics, not shameful.
The fact you kept screaming,”No one hit my hair, I just conditioned” was though.
TxTower said:
March 4th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Groundhog,
Hicks is not a longshot. Trust Coach Boom to deliver on this one.
bigdukesix said:
March 4th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Hicks is not a longshot. Trust Coach Boom to deliver on this one.
We’re in the driver’s seat on this one.
UTHornFan014 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Scipio:
How did you know I was saying that? That’s kinda freaky. Were you there or something?
Sports Jesus said:
March 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Watch more soccer and your stance of the toughness needed to succeed at a high level will be changed. And no, the MLS does not count.
Thanks for the breakdown Scip. This class has my sports weeny doing jumping-jacks.
glenn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
actually soccer, basketball, and hockey are the same game.
most don’t realize it, but the lady who wrote ‘up the down staircase’ was working on another novel when she died. it was to be called ‘on the off ramp.’
BatesHorn said:
March 4th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
The trick with Hicks (as Scipio points out) is that we have to hang tough while he takes a few officials outside of Austin and generally enjoys himself. If we can keep up the sweet talk during and after, we have a good shot.
And let’s be honest: I would give HJ’s left nut to play linebacker for the horns. But is there anybody here that wouldn’t jump at a chance to crush some fine Florida ass on a recruiting visit? What’s the point in being a top recruit?
The warpigs in columbus on the other hand….
bigdukesix said:
March 4th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Actually, warpigs pretty much describes Florida chicks, too. The hot ones go to FSU.
CrazyJoeDavola said:
March 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I love watching soccer with Brit commentators. When the fights break out, the phrase that’s most often used is “it’s handbags down on the pitch”.
Then again, soccer players can often suffer injuries just as horrific as you see in football. Google images for “Eduardo Arsenal Birmingham tackle” and you’ll see what I mean.
Newy25 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
“Ah… I was just wondering because my school (Lutheran High North) played yall in varsity soccer fairly often and got in a brawl with Beamount Kelly my sophomore year (99/00).”
I feel old.
Scipio Tex said:
March 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
But you look Newy.
HenryJames said:
March 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
I’m banning you.
Newy25 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I am old enough however to know soccer is for fags and 5 and under group sports but young enough not to have seen Pele playing in the MLS. Just barely.
Bitches.
CloseToJumping said:
March 4th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I don’t need to see film of Harris and Apo to take a position. In fact, I don’t need to see film of anyone, ever again, to make a few simple predictions if Bobby Kennedy is calling the shots on WR talent in any given year.
My bet is that several of the players we take will be tall, no wiggle after the catch, decent but not blazing downfield speed, and will probably never see the field. Don’t know who of this year’s class fits that bill, but my guess is that someone does.
Wow. That is going to look like a magical prediction down the road. Or this year, when Payne and Webber and perhaps Marshall leave after the spring drills.
If we don’t sign D White as a result of sloth and self-righteous indignation, I don’t know if my head will explode, or if I’ll simply sigh and go back to playing MLB 09 on PS3.
At least Kennedy is a tremendous coach, because he has proven himself wanting as a judge of positional talent.
The defensive class is really interesting and exciting. I look forward to seeing us pursue several guys as far as we absolutely have to do so and I think we will win several for it. AJ White, Hicks, Wilson, and Jeffcoat all seem like guys we’ll continue to pursue till the end. I doubt we’re in on Nelson for more than another 4 weeks, tops.
I expect Applewhite to continue pursuit of Seastrunk, as well as some other guys out of state. I don’t think he’ll stop until they all say “no” or one says “yes”. I personally like Shead a lot. He is a better fit for us right now than anyone on the roster not named Whittaker. And he doesn’t smoke, or something.
I don’t understand us not taking Washington along with Espinosa and Hopkins. The Jake Mathews debacle is par for the course, although the course is your basic 9-hole municipal typically hustled by third level golf pricks that count HenryJames as a friend. Good grief.
Tim said:
March 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
“but whether this class is judged Top 3 or Top 12 will rest on our capacity to have discipline with our few remaining ships”
I hope ya’ll are able to wrap up everyone else you want. I would really hate for UT to have to settle for just a Top 12 class, that would be terrible. With UT having to settle for Top 5 classes the last couple of years, I know ya’ll really need that Top 3 class to put your program over the top.
Maybe if UT lands a Top 3 class, instead of settling for Top 5 classes. Mack can finally win a conference championship without Vince Young in the decade plus he’s been at UT.
Scipio Tex said:
March 4th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
ctj:
Great post.
I actually could see one of Harris or Apo impressing. The more I dug into Apo, the more things I saw that I liked. Just sayin’. And I write that as the guy who pretty much wanted to go take Deandrew White, Darius White, and John Harris and call it a class.
I like Shead plenty as an aff-o-lete. I just don’t think he’s puro RB.
Groundhog Day said:
March 4th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I saw cotton tonight at the Taylor/Jesuit basketball kid. Big kid with very little body fat.
bighornfan32 said:
March 4th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
If Tim cries himself to sleep at night but no one hears it, does he really make a sound?
Justaguy said:
March 4th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
ctj,
If Bobby Kennedy is responsible for recruiting the wide receivers and he only wants taller receivers with average speed and little to no playing time how did Texas end up with Collins, Kirkendoll, Williams, and Hales?
The Tortilla Retort » Blog Archive » Recruiting Targets 2010 said:
March 5th, 2009 at 7:02 am
[...] now that Texas has filled its 2010 recruiting class, the rest of us can begin and hopefully we had backup plans for the expected Longhorn takes. [...]
CloseToJumping said:
March 5th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Justaguy–
I didn’t type that that was all Kennedy recruits. I did say he recruits those types, though. There is a pretty fundamental difference that I don’t really feel like fleshing out further. I figured it was a given, but now I guess I hope this helps.
Horncasting said:
March 5th, 2009 at 8:05 am
“I saw cotton tonight at the Taylor/Jesuit basketball kid. Big kid with very little body fat.”
So there is little chance of him filling out to complete the Bernie Mac look?
Nordberg said:
March 5th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Tim, shouldn’t your program have to at least sniff some big time success before you feel the desire to needlessly shit on every post on a Texas blog?
Come by our stadium sometime and we’ll show you what these things called “trophies” look like.
beowulf said:
March 5th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Tim’s vagina needs a tampon.
Denison Fan said:
March 5th, 2009 at 10:07 am
So I see that UT went with Shead over DJ Jones..only time will tell with that decision.
DJ just got offered by Florida (and A&M). As many of you have said, he isn’t “Texas” good. The more I think about that, the more I think you are right. Whether he ends up playing for Urban or Bob, I will always think about what might have been with him wearing that great Longhorn helmet.
whoopspat said:
March 5th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Florida is a RB powerhouse.
Denison Fan said:
March 5th, 2009 at 10:31 am
There inlies the sarcasm about not being “Texas” good.
CloseToJumping said:
March 5th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Denison Fan is becoming a caricature that enjoy seeing appear.
dedfischer said:
March 5th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Jones is a good fit in the I formation.
Tim's Bleeding Vagina said:
March 5th, 2009 at 11:13 am
i’ve been looking for nearly six months beowulf…
Justaguy said:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I guess I am too stupid for this board to understand the difference, but what is new. From what I have gained lately from reading around here is that Texas doesn’t recruit the proper mix of offensive linemen for their scheme if in fact they do actually have a scheme, most of the backs don’t fit the same rumored scheme, a good deal of the receivers belong on the intramural fields and can’t run routes, the coaches are playing golf all summer and somehow by the grace of all things good and holy be that God, DKR, or Colt the offense last year averaged over 44 points and over 470 yards per game. Just imagine what they could do with talent and coaching?
DBH said:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
If DJ signs with Florida, he’ll be saddled with an offensive mind that isn’t “Texas good,” either. Which is to say, he’ll probably win a couple of MNCs while he’s there.
DBH said:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Justaguy,
Notice the word “only” in your post, above:
“If Bobby Kennedy is responsible for recruiting the wide receivers and he only wants taller receivers with average speed and little to no playing time how did Texas end up with Collins, Kirkendoll, Williams, and Hales?”
There’s a difference between “several” and “only.” Hope this helps.
Justaguy said:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
DBH,
Yes I did and do. I also noticed this:
“If we don’t sign D White as a result of sloth and self-righteous indignation, I don’t know if my head will explode, or if I’ll simply sigh and go back to playing MLB 09 on PS3.
At least Kennedy is a tremendous coach, because he has proven himself wanting as a judge of positional talent.”
So who recruited Williams, Collins, Kirkendoll, and Hales? Arent’ the position coaches involved in the selection of the players? I am not saying Kennedy did recruit them, but I am confused as to who actually is doing anything anymore in Austin.
shockthenation said:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Lot of people on other boards think that Reggie Wilson may soon spurn the visor to become a good kid who graduates.
Denison Fan said:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
“Denison Fan is becoming a caricature that enjoy seeing appear.”
I thank you….and in the words of the great Michael Scott -
“‘Hug it out, bitch.’ That is what men say to each other after a fight. They hug it out, in doing so they just let it go, and walk away, and they’re done. Not a good idea to say that to a woman, however, I’ve found. Doesn’t translate. “
HenryJames said:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
“So who recruited Williams, Collins, Kirkendoll, and Hales?”
In Hales case, he had to actually recruit Texas. Kirkendoll wasn’t offered until late in the process after he had committed to Oklahoma. Same with DJ Grant. My guess is that they were lazy in their evaluations of local guys, and the OU commitments lit a fire under Texas’ ass.
dedfischer said:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Hales was Leach’s first WR offer that year, so I know Tech recruited him.
dedfischer said:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Holy shit, check this out:
http://caleblavey.mnlavey.com/index.htm
What has recruiting come to…..
And, there’s a link to Team Kurt Killens:
http://www.teamkurtkillens.com/
I would be embarrassed if my parents did something like this, which they wouldn’t of course.
t1climb1 said:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I also like that Applewhite and Muschamp are willing to fight for the end of the year recruits. I honestly think Brown laughs and says,”Go ahead if it makes you happy.”
I think you’re right about that but it doesn’t have to be that way. I feel one of the reasons we have created a machine that translates to 19 commitments before St Patrick’s Day is a result of the way we sell the program and the types of kids we go after. Mack and co. sell UT as a “family” atmosphere, and the days of offering the Ramonce Taylor’s et al are over for better or worse. That results in good kids who are attracted to the “family” feel signing up. These are kids that don’t need to wait until February to make their decision.
I think one of the reasons we miss on some of these NSD high profile commits is because the family pitch etc does not resonate with them. These guys are looking at USC, UT, FL, Ohio State, OU, etc and all they care about is the depth chart and the track record of that institution with regard to the NFL. If we want to start closing the deal on the Devon Kennard’s of the world I think our approach with these types of kids needs to be tweaked with that in mind. Just my 2 cents.
Mysterious Package said:
March 5th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I agree with climb on OOS. No one from Utah gives a shit about our “family” atmosphere. We need to adjust and alter our way of recruiting OOS kids. One size does not fit all.
Ecurbmanchild said:
March 5th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
My Prayer: God please help us. Our coaches are lazy and only want to play golf, our recruits suck, we dont get enough out of state big name guys to come here, we dont recruit enough backs from Denison, our recruiting approach is all wrong, we have only beaten OU three of the last four years, our receivers cant run routes worth a damn, Henry James hates Coach Kennedy and we basically are a joke in all areas of recruiting. We need Your divine intervention if we are every going to get off of this 10 wins streak and really start playing football. AMEN!!
Ecurbmanchild said:
March 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Dear God, I forgot to mention that our O line scheme also sucks the big one, Mad Dog is too fat to care anymore, and our “family” atmosphere keeps players like that cuddly little guy named Ramonce from coming to our school. Amen
Scarred but not scared said:
March 5th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Dear God, Please help Bobby Kennedy get off his ass and recruit the position he is paid to do. Please allow Randy Moss, I mean Darius White, the wisdom to accept our offer and shun all others.
In closing Lord, I ask that you open Ecurbmanchild’s door, scattering his GI Joe and naked Barbie action figures across the room, and approach his bed while trying to ignore his autographed Greg Davis poster, as you replace his thumb with a cock-flavored-popsicle.
We ask for these things in the name of MNC’s and incoherent-run-on-sentences..
Play ball!!!
dedfischer said:
March 6th, 2009 at 6:52 am
I’m just disappointed that Leach appears to have lost his stranglehold on the Interior Hispanic Lineman Market.
DBH said:
March 6th, 2009 at 7:25 am
“In closing Lord, I ask that you open Ecurbmanchild’s door, scattering his GI Joe and naked Barbie action figures across the room, and approach his bed while trying to ignore his autographed Greg Davis poster, as you replace his thumb with a cock-flavored-popsicle.
We ask for these things in the name of MNC’s and incoherent-run-on-sentences.”
Could we get an “Amen?”
CloseToJumping said:
March 6th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Scarred but not scared–
That is one of the funniest things I have ever read in the context of a larger conversation. Oh shit.
Justaguy–
Thanks for making my point for me in regard to the Kennedy School of recruiting. You should do better research before positioning your examples, or not, I guess. HenryJames beat me to it, but Hales and his family had to beg the staff to give him an offer. That is as much on Giles as anyone, but he was player Kennedy should have well been aware of and pushed for. In the same year, we farted in the general direction of Daryl Stonum, who will only be a 4 year starter at Michigan. Hey, we signed Brock Fitzhenry though. So there’s that.
Kirkendoll was a throw-in take at the end of a class after we missed out late on a few other guys. Again, we fell backwards into a guy that we otherwise were passing on. That said, let’s not get out over our skis just yet. Kirkendoll seems like he’ll be a decent Big 12 3rd or 4th WR. That’s pretty much what we should expect any coach on the campus to be able to do.
As to Malcolm Williams, I offer you Philip Payne. Or Montre Webber. Or Josh Marshall. Hitting on 1 out of 4 in regard to that paradigm so far isn’t a good batting average.
eechese said:
March 6th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I found no humor in any of this. Only pain and suffering.
dick said:
March 6th, 2009 at 9:02 am
All of the elite schools have a lot more misses than successes at the WR position because of the numbers game at the position. If you recruit 3 or so WRs on average per class, you are going to have lots of 4 star types that get lost in the shuffle and don’t end up producing at a high level. Only 2 or 3 can really produce per season. USC, Florida and OU have the same issue. They all have 4 star WR recruits that don’t end up doing shit for one reason or another.
Ecurbmanchild said:
March 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Dear God, It is a new day and I have a new prayer. I am worried about out ranking next year. There is a possibility that we could start the season as low as 3rd in the polls. All of this because of the poor recruiting and incompetence of our lazy, golf playing coaches. Please send some love our way. Amen
dedfischer said:
March 6th, 2009 at 9:51 am
I still have a hard time wrapping my arms around the fascination of Evan Washington. NFL Pedigree!!! Basketball Player!!! Just started playing football!!!
I can’t get past the fact that he looks like a meandering, dying bull elephant as he tries to chase down LBs. Another red flag is that he’s having to cross his feet to keep up with high school speed rushers, which is a clear indictment against his athletic ability. He’s got limited upside due to his long stride and will have a tough time keeping his feet under him and maintaining a good base. There’s also the possibility that I don’t know what I’m watching, which could very well be the case.
bighornfan32 said:
March 6th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I swear, anyone who can’t see that our blocking scheme sucks white ass from less than 5 minutes of watching is a mouth breather. There is inaccurate criticism, like our “3 yard out only” passing game, and then there is obvious, blatant observations, like our shittastic blocking scheme. Why some people can’t see this, I don’t know.
echeese said:
March 6th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I can’t respond because this websight doesn’t have emoaticons.
Blueshorn said:
March 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Blueshorn said:
March 6th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Damn. I tried to insert echeese’s favorite “emoaticon” using HTML and BC ate it. That’s actually a good thing.
Scipio Tex said:
March 6th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Our lack of emoticons is a positive thing, I assure you.
If a person can’t discern context, they shouldn’t be here.
Justaguy said:
March 6th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
ctj,
I don’t want to do the digging which is why I asked the question in the first place. Maybe it is because I don’t want to pay $10 a month, maybe because I just am lazy, don’t really know and not really worried about it.
Saw Hales many times in high school and agree the kid is a talent. As far as Stonum, a friend who coaches in Ft. Bend told me this was an issue of Mack not wanting to offer if the kid didn’t come to camp. If that is the case that is on Mack and not Kennedy.
As far as Payne, Webber, and Marshall. Agree on the first two, but since Marshall I believe missed most of last year with an injury shouldn’t we wait on him.
Finally, if I am not mistaken Drake missed on several during his time in Austin as well.
CloseToJumping said:
March 7th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Justaguy–
There is no comparison between Drake and Kennedy in my opinion. Drake was a shitty recruiter who rested on the laurels of the Brown regime’s results and his players’ talents. He was a miserable coach and I am thankful he’s gone. Kennedy has shown every sign of being a tremendous coach. I just don’t think much of his talent evaluation skills before they get to campus. It doesn’t mean I expect our WR position to ever fair anywhere below excellent under his tutelage.
Scarred but not scared said:
March 8th, 2009 at 9:13 am
“All of this because of the poor recruiting and incompetence of our lazy, golf playing coaches. Please send some love our way. Amen”
Dear Lord,
Please forgive me for asking that Ecurbmanchild perform a most unchristian-like act on a wanker-flavored frozen treat.
I also ask that Bobby Kennedy develop the shanks until such time as Darius White gives his verbal commitment.
Your humble servant,
Scarred
RolloTamasi said:
March 12th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
“Hey, we signed Brock Fitzhenry though. So there’s that.”
I haven’t been expecting too much from him but spring reports from him have been better than the other redshirt WRs. He has legit speed so if he catches on to route running and the other fundamentals before the others he might end up being very productive here. It does seem like only one of every 3 tall potential split ends becomes a serviceable player.