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Jerry Bomar: “I Know Stuff, But I’m Not Talking”

Posted by srr50 on January 22nd, 2009 under Football, Recruiting

While Rhett Bomar is in Mobile, working out for NFL personnel, his dad issues a smarmy, slimy defense of his son’s troubles at OU. Not surprisingly, Jerry Bomar says that OU threw his son under the Sooner Schooner.

When discussing his son’s dismissal from OU for the Big Red Auto scandal, the elder Bomar gives a wink and a nod and says essentially he could take down the program, but he is too nice to do that.

“He and I both know that Oklahoma got off light and he didn’t,” Jerry Bomar said Wednesday. “He’s never sold them out and he wouldn’t. They’re not innocent in this deal, trust me. Bob Stoops comes across as ‘Mr. I Did the Right Thing’ and there’s stuff about Bob Stoops that if right now I told people, everybody being saying, ‘What?’ “But we’re not gonna do that. We’re not gonna go that way, and you can’t win those battles anyway.

If this isn’t a classic case of the “Mack Brown-Spurned Recruit Curse” then I haven’t seen one.

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  1. Facebook User said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    “But we’re not gonna do that. We’re not gonna go that way, and you can’t win those battles anyway.”

    Oh, I see what you did there, Jerry, you sly fox. Gimmeafuckingbreak.

  2. Minnesotahorn said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    If Rhett doesn’t catch on with an NFL team you know both he and his dad are going to sing like canaries.

  3. Facebook User said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    If Rhett doesn’t catch on with an NFL team you know both he and his dad are going to sing like canaries.

    Book deal?

  4. Texas_Dawg said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Ha. Jerry Bomar. What a fonking clown.

    I see that Jerry is now the coach at Callisburg HS (…wherever that is). And apparently faring not much better than his Grand Prairie teams did.

  5. Hippie Killer said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    I know stuff too. And I’m not going to say shit either…but thought you should know…I know stuff.

  6. 8straight said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Jerry needs to look both ways before crossing the street.

  7. South '06 said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    I love that the contextual advertising program pulled up a “Fear the Schooner” product ad to accompany this article.

    That’s it, I’m getting a damn koozie.

  8. BiggUggly said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Jerry has a right to be pissed. My son gets treated like his son was treated and the defecation strikes the oscillating device.

  9. Black Scholes said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Bomar(s) completely had the power to have altered the BCS equation this year.

    If that’s not a complete indictment of the system I don’t know what is.

    “Ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our recruits – we did.

    But you can’t hold a whole program responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole BCS system?

    And if the whole BCS system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general?

    I put it to you, Jerry – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society?

    Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Boomer Sooner!”

  10. Bob in Houston said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Black, that is my favorite part.

  11. ponderos said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    That’s a different tune than that dickmunch was singing a couple of years ago.

    Jerry Bomar said the family understood and accepted the punishment.

    “There’s no ill will toward Oklahoma,” Jerry Bomar said. “We feel terrible because (Rhett) jeopardized their hopes for this season. And we don’t want the university to go on probation, because they’re on the up-and-up. They’re above-board.

    “They haven’t done anything wrong.”

    News OK

  12. JD Quinn's Razor said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Hush money never seems to go as far as you think.

  13. Adrian "All Day" Occam said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I actually washed cars for Big Red.

  14. Houstonearler said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Quinn has said the same thing….basically inferring that cheating was widespread and not unknown. Hell, it was posted on Texags months before. There were 20+ Gooner players working there. 3 got caught. One of the ones who got caught was some walkon scrub. Are we supposed to believe he got paid but Rufus Alexander did not? I wish I could find a copy of the blacked out transcript of OU’s interview with Alexander. That should have been enough to get them busted on quite a few more players.

    I hope Rhett spills it one day.

  15. Scipio Tex said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    The Dude: I dropped off the money exactly as per… look, man, I’ve got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I… this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it’s not just, it might not be just such a simple… uh, you know?

    The Big Lebowski: What in God’s holy name are you blathering about?

    The Dude: I’ll tell you what I’m blathering about… I’ve got information man! New shit has come to light!

  16. Srgt. Schultz said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. Haven’t you learned anything from me?

    jerry bomar

  17. Facebook User said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    I didn’t blame anyone for the loss of my legs, some chinaman in Korea took them from me but I went out and achieved anyway. I can’t solve your problems, sir, only you can.

  18. Steve Nebraska said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    I suggest you do what your parents did! Get a job sir!

  19. dedfischer said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Congratulations, Bomar! The Bums lost!

  20. 71grad said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    A man, whose darling baby boy had a bad experience at OU, says “I know stuff”. Wow, let’s take that serious.

  21. bgood2texas said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Even now he screws us.

  22. Justaguy said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Gee, a father scorned is now threatening to go public. There’s a fucking shock. Didn’t Jerry knock Mack during recruiting?

    Bob Knight long ago in an interview in Playboy (the only article I did read in that magazine) said that if you wanted to stop this crap bring in the Feds.

    IRS or DOL shows up at Big Red and they can’t provide payroll records someone is going to get nailed with a hefty fine, possible jail time, and risk of seizure of business assets.

    Worked like a charm in getting that one booster to rat out Michigan’s basketball program.

  23. RansomStoddard said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    The ou program is full of cheating scumbags? I’m shocked, shocked I say

  24. 99TexasEx said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Why isn’t Thayer interviewing these guys? Much more compelling story for the NYT. ;-)

  25. coolhorn said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Karma’s a bitch. Jerry Bomar’s been in love with the paper clips since his early days up in Grayson county, and virtually hand-delivered his quarterbacking son to medium game Bob. Stoops shoves him under the bus in the Big Red Sports Imports deal, and now, way after the fact, dad Jerry says “We know stuff, bad stuff…but we’re gonna take the high road and not tell you what we know.” What are you gonna do if any of us find out what you know…put us on double secret probation? Yeah. Right. Like the ancient knight in Indiana Jones said…”Choose wisely.” Sorry Jerry…you didn’t choose wisely. You made your bed with the okies…sleep tight.

  26. Poor Bobby Stoops said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    My theory that the reason that OU sold ouT Bomar and the other two players was that they did not want to turn in the others because it might jeopardize their east texas pipeline. Back in the 1990’s Texas A&M lost their Dallas Carter/South Dallas pipeline and have not been the same since

  27. ponderos said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    The Chinaman is not the issue, Dude.

  28. Walter Sopchak said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    You’re being very undude, Dude.

  29. Chooky said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Mack should call Jerry and offer him a hug.

  30. Facebook User said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Mack should call Jerry and ask if he has any appliances running.

  31. Jobber said:

    January 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Rest assured, the freelance reporter on this story used to work at orangebloods.com.

  32. TaylorTRoom said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 4:57 am

    It’s a funny situation. When Bomar was dropped by the Sooners, he had an incentive to keep quiet. He was petitioning the NCAA for a quick declaration of eligibility. If Rhett had really been receiving more illicit benefits, telling the NCAA might have killed his career going forward. He had an incentive to be quiet, especially because any more dirt on OU would certainly have led OU to revealing more dirt on Bomar.

    I think the NCAA played that game, too, delaying establishing Bomar’s eligibility in hopes of squeezing more info from him.

    If Bomar becomes a NFL star, expect a tell-all.

  33. D D D said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 am

    Bomar was a bright-eyed and innocent young man going into OU. Then he was .. violated. Coach Stoops (or Unlce Bob – as he liked to be called) did…things. Bad things to him. Really bad. not like “extinction of the condor”-bad, but bad.

  34. Hippie Killer said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 am

    Look for Jerry Bomar part II to happen sometime after February 5, 2009 when Jackie Shipp breaks up with McFarland’s Mom!!!!

  35. Vasherized said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 am

    Reilly Deifenbach: Mr. Lundegaard, this is Reilly Deifenbach calling from GMAC. How are you this morning?

    Jerry: Yeah, real good. How you doin’?

    Reilly Deifenbach: Pretty good, Mr. Lundegaard. You’re damned hard to get on the phone.

    Jerry: Yeah, it’s pretty darned busy here, but that’s the way we like it.

    Reilly Deifenbach: That’s for sure. Now, I just need, on these last, these financing documents you sent us, I can’t read the serial numbers of the vehicles on here, so I–

    Jerry: But I already got the, it’s okay, the loans are in place, I already got the, the what, the–

    Reilly Deifenbach: Yeah, the three hundred and twenty thousand, you got the money last month.

    Jerry: Yeah, so we’re all set.

    Reilly Deifenbach: Yeah, but the vehicles you were borrowing on, I just can’t read the serial numbers on your application. Maybe if you could just read them to me–

    Jerry: But the deal’s already done, I already got the money.

    Reilly Deifenbach: Yeah, but we have an audit here, I just have to know that these vehicles you’re financing with this money, that they really exist.

    Jerry: Yeah, well, they exist all right.

    Reilly Deifenbach: I’m sure they do, but I can’t read their serial numbers here. So if you could read me–

    Jerry: Well, but see, I don’t have them in front of me. Why don’t I just fax you over a copy–

    Reilly Deifenbach: No. Fax is no good, that’s what I have and I can’t read the darn thing.

    Jerry: Yeah, okay, I’ll have my girl send you over a copy, then.

    Reilly Deifenbach: Okay, because if I can’t correlate this note with the specific vehicles, then I gotta call back that money.

    Jerry: Yeah, how much money was that?

    Reilly Deifenbach: Three hundred and twenty thousand. See, I gotta correlate that money with the cars it’s being lent on.

    Jerry: Yeah, no problem, I’ll just fax that over to ya, then.

    Reilly Deifenbach: No, no, fax is–

    Jerry: I mean send it over. I’ll shoot it right over to ya.

    Reilly Deifenbach: Okay.

    Jerry: Okay, real good, then.

  36. DBH said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 9:47 am

    “I hope Rhett spills it one day.”

    I look for Jerry to spill it while the ink is still wet on Rhett’s NFL contract.

  37. Black Scholes said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 am

    Won’t happen. Wishful thinking.

  38. Stuck in MN said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 am

    NCAA Compliance Officer Gunderson to Stoops: “And I guess that was your accomplice down at Big Red. And those three people in Norman. And for what? For a little bit of money. There’s more to life than a little money, you know. Don’tcha know that? And here ya are, and it’s a beautiful day. Well. I just don’t understand it.”

  39. WhoooTex said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 am

    I know things. Bad things. Things that cannot be unseen. You are happier not knowing what I know.

  40. Sasquatch Kneivel said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I’m betting Rhett is saying STFU dad!
    Can you imagine say the Steelers or any decent pro outfit is looking for a future QB and as thorough as the NFL looks at all aspects of rookies,Rhett grades out to a tie with someone else?
    Some scout or PI brings up Jerry and guess who they’ll take.
    Jerry’s sure not helping his sons chances of getting one of the most sought after spots (even as a back up)in sports.

    S.K.

  41. Vince Foster said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    I know stuff to, dammit.

  42. glenn said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    yeah, sk, i can hear it now.

    coach, i’m telling you this kid can really drill that ball. only problem is his daddy. can you deal with a daddy, coach?

    oh, no, not a daddy. bring me another name. ideally somebody who grades out as a tie with this kid.

  43. Thayya the NYT Playya said:

    January 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    This whole story sounds a bit spiced up to me. I’d have to cross-check and double-verify Jerry Bomar’s story before I could print anything. If you were to ask me, though, I’d say the whole thing was a trumped up Texas effort to make mighty OU look bad. I mean, Texas cheats in recruiting all the time – it’s been proven time and again.

  44. Lapu-Lapu said:

    January 24th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Wait, wait, wait….what’s all this shit? I thought OU is the #1 prestigious school per ESPN.

    Hook’Em

  45. OUsniffsware said:

    January 24th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    OU is on the verge of a Blake era. You cut them out of east Texas. And plunk , right back to Blake. Look folks this is not hard. You have an eastern Ohio asshole football prick. He uses all the gray area techniqes to compete: simulated snaps,whines on every call and he has to recruit east Texas to survive? Think about it. He’s toast with out his image. That is why he ran the score up on people when he could and the national media buys it???? Cut east Texas off and he is done. He actually is Machovic if you can paint him in all that Ohio bullshit that he really is. He is all hat and no cattle in my book. A playground bully that is fun to eventually kick the crap out of.Bob Stoops likable in Texas , his lifeline , think about it? It doesn’t work if he does not win titles that’s why all the pushing of buttons , cheating and lobbying. No Texas recruits -no OU. Fact.

  46. NateHeupel said:

    January 24th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    OUsniffsware,

    Boy, you might be legally retarded. OU is not on the verge of a Blake era. If you mean once Stoops leaves, that’s a very different discussion.

    The big problem with that pipe dream is two fold. Problem number one is actually UT’s recruiting technique. Essentially, Mack expects anyone from Tejas to be willing to commit to UT immediately and without reservation or hesitation. Unless these kids grew up bleeding burnt orange, this attitude will piss them off. This gets amplified by Mack’s documented reactions when these kids balk at the idea that they should commit to UT because they’re from Texas.

    Number two is that UT still doesn’t have enough roster room to fit all the great Tejas talent every year. How many players at the so-called 4-star and 5-star levels come out of that corridor you described every year? I’d guess about 50 or more. That’s not including the sleepers that get overlooked.

    It’s also worth a mention that UT has shown a rather entertaining tendency to alienate some recruits with their implicit seniority rule. While UT fans like to mentally masturbate to the idea that OU cheated to get Adrian Peterson, the biggest problem he had with UT was that they told him he would sit behind Cedric Benson. To a kid universally hailed as the best RB talent of the last 10-15 years, that’s just not going to fly. Want more proof that this policy exists? Exhibit B: The 2007 UT starting linebackers.

  47. dick said:

    January 25th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    I thought AD went to OU to win the national championship and he wouldn’t have been able to do that at Texas?

  48. OUsniffsware said:

    January 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Nate we are 3of 4 and if we win next yr 4 of 5. That is Blake zone and you have no clue what the Texas coaches and top players are talking about -I do. You guys are on thin ice. Look an Ohio arrogant asshole appeals how to Texas Kids?
    Barry was southren home spun. Stoops is, well Stoops. 0-5 and losing to Texas. Blake zone . And by the way asshole you call me retarded to my face and I will ripe you throat out promise.

  49. OUsniffsware said:

    January 25th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Oh AD Drove th Lexus for free had no factor. Right Nate Blake zone is coming 0-5 1-5 against Texas soon. You guys are the frauds of colleg FB and people are figuring it out.

  50. BoomerFreakinSooner said:

    January 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    OU Sniffer – you are truely a shit-for-brains. Mack is 4-6 against Stoops. OU is a national championship caliber program year in and out. Blake could recruit, but couldn’t figure out what offense he wanted to run week to week. Stoops doesn’t have that problem. Your Texas boy Bomar was a cheater and when Stoops found out he booted him. Make no mistake, Bomar is a TEXAS boy. Even ESPN says OU is the number one football program in college football. Maybe you all can hire a plane to fly a banner around Connecticut in protest. Bt the way, you are retarded. My size 12 boot says so. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

  51. ponderos said:

    January 25th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    OU’s in another Blake year when they have to roll out a special teams positions mat on the sidelines so they’re sure they have the right amount of players on the field.

  52. Colby said:

    January 25th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    BoomerFreakinSooner:
    ‘OU Sniffer – you are truely a shit-for-brains’

    A HA HA HA HA HA!

  53. Vasherized said:

    January 26th, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Surely these big game shortcomings are wearing on not only Stoops but the Sooner faithful.

    And the kids are noticing. Three recent decommits and a wholly unimpressive 2009 class.

    I won’t rent a plane to deliver the news, this forum works perfectly well.

  54. coach Callahan said:

    January 26th, 2009 at 9:05 am

    If I was a pro scout Bomars performance in the all star game this weekend wouldn’t have impressed me. He and Harrel both sucked.

  55. Trips Right said:

    January 26th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Anyone see Stoops’ speech at the Bear Bryant Awards cerimony? It was like that kid who studdered and stammered his way through a class presentation. You were so embarrassed for him you couldn’t bear to watch. Bob’s a great X’s and O’s guy, but he’s a bumbling buffoon without a chalk board in front of him. There’s a solid chance Billy Sims is more well spoken.

  56. Facebook User said:

    January 26th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    BOOMER!!!!

  57. SizzleChest said:

    January 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    THOONER!

  58. jgood said:

    January 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    i just want to tell all of you that Rhett did what was best after the incident and as for callisburg they went from 0-10 to going 3 rounds deep in the playoffs in the shot time “jerry” has been there so piss on yall who think they will sing like canaries if he doesnt get signed
    1. he will get signed and 2. Rhett is not a narq neither is bomar sr.

  59. HenryJames said:

    January 27th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    He takes money for work he doesn’t perform, but he is NOT a narc.

    And looks like Jerry found out what Bob Stoops already knew. Your team will go a lot further if you don’t have Rhett as your starting quarterback.

  60. lasertag said:

    January 30th, 2009 at 8:19 am

    u cant spell cock sucker without OU..

  61. tebow#1 said:

    January 30th, 2009 at 8:24 am

    Tim Tebow is better :)

  62. disgraced OU fan said:

    January 30th, 2009 at 8:26 am

    No he’s not, that nigga sucks, Rhett is better and he’s goin pro.. better than that baboon bradford.
    give me a break… what ou did was wrong and i lost all of my respect for them. i’m glad florida made them there skank ho in the championship game

  63. lasertag said:

    January 30th, 2009 at 8:33 am

    bradfords a lil mutha fonking betch..
    he likes gay and doesnt do shit..
    piss on yall.

  64. slammin sammy said:

    January 31st, 2009 at 10:05 am

    Hi everybody whats up?! Rhett’s goin pro end of story… It’s over with so stop talking about it.. what have you people done to give you the right to talk shat?… you guys are probably fat lazy pieces of shat that have never played football in your life, and have nothing better to do than criticize people, so how can you say stuff about somebody “who is goin pro”? Just shut up

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    QB  Sr. Taylor Potts/Sr. Steven Sheffield – We’ve all annointed Sheffield as the starter, and I think that’s the case if we continue to run 99% of our snaps

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  • Black Scholes commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest: Post Mortem   8 hours, 23 minutes ago

    lawdog – on the topic of regression, this crew can’t compare with the senior seasons Thomas and Atchley put up. Something ain’t right in this scenario. Mason topped out his sophomore year and Pittman last year.

    Wangmene is ‘Manos de Piedra’ redux, so that was really never going to work out.

  • Kevin Berger wrote a new blog post: Top Ten Reasons Why Cal Can Beat Duke   10 hours, 23 minutes ago

    This would probably go a bit better if you read it in your Bobby Knight voice and it had two decades worth of goodwill built up from its gratuitous appearance on a popular late night television show. But oh well.

    1) Interior Worries. As in the Bears shouldn’t have any defensively

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  • Kevin Berger wrote a new blog post: Round 2 Saturday Recaps   11 hours, 20 minutes ago

    We talked about the upset of the decade in this post, but I watched some other great basketball today I’d like to comment on.

    For me, the theme of the day was well-played basketball. I’m not only talking about what Northern Iowa did, I’m talking about the other seven games being really well

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  • Sailor Ripley commented on the blog post Madness Magic: Northern Iowa Upsets Kansas   11 hours, 33 minutes ago

    Just a phenomenal game.

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  • Sailor Ripley commented on the blog post Recapping The South   11 hours, 45 minutes ago

    Udoh was a fargging beast in that game. Very athletic player.

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  • Sailor Ripley commented on the blog post Because We’re Dedicated To Doing Stupid Things – Tiny Gallon Reportedly Took Payout   12 hours, 8 minutes ago

    Jesus. I think I see four horseman on the horizon.

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  • Kevin Berger wrote a new blog post: Madness Magic: Northern Iowa Upsets Kansas   12 hours, 12 minutes ago

    Today reminded me why I love this tournament so much. A good friend of mine mentioned to me that college basketball is the great equalizer of all athletic endeavors. At least of the sports we care about. He’s right.

    For instance, you can have a 40 inch vertical, be Iverson quick,

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  • Nate Heupel commented on the blog post Because We’re Dedicated To Doing Stupid Things – Tiny Gallon Reportedly Took Payout   12 hours, 16 minutes ago

    Patrick,

    Unless you’re completely retarded, you know precisely what I meant. The closest any Big 12 team has gotten to winning the infamous Fuller Cup is the 2007 Texas squad. I can’t remember a team being that horribly undisciplined as a whole aside from the insane OU teams of the 80’s. That’s not

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  • Nate Heupel commented on the blog post Because We’re Dedicated To Doing Stupid Things – Tiny Gallon Reportedly Took Payout   12 hours, 16 minutes ago

    Patrick,

    Unless you’re completely retarded, you know precisely what I meant. The closest any Big 12 team has gotten to winning the infamous Fulmer Cup is the 2007 Texas squad. I can’t remember a team being that horribly undisciplined as a whole aside from the insane OU teams of the 80’s. That’s not

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  • Sailor Ripley wrote a new blog post: This Is Sparta!   12 hours, 29 minutes ago

    Please make yourself welcome and Adam will be by shortly to keep you up to date on all Michigan State Spartan happenings.

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  • Nickel Rover commented on the blog post Barnes worst team   12 hours, 33 minutes ago

    I suppose anyone could be your “favorite Longhorn basketball player” but Ford did more than just about anyone…although Durant is clearly better. Ford’s supporting cast was better than Durant’s in his sophomore year. Durant’s had more talent (Augustin, James, Abrams) but Ford’s was more developed (Boddicker, Ivey, Mouton, Thomas) and had worked with him for