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1. uttuck said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 10:27 am

   I always like Jeff, and nothing here changes that. Vince, dedicate yourself and get rewarded. Hook’em

2. huge said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 10:30 am

   i dont see this ending well for vince. i hope i am wrong

3. TaylorTRoom said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 10:48 am

   Vince’s stubborness is keeping him from reaching his potential as a NFL QB.

   Fisher’s stubborness is keeping him from reaching his potential as a coach.

4. uthookem said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 10:51 am

   Well, maybe I’m a homer, but I think Vince has been getting screwed since he was drafted, some his fault, some the Titans’ fault.

   His primary fault has been the need to feel like a pro-style, NFL-type QB and to prove the critics wrong. His first year, he ran his ass off and he turned the Titans from smelly, fresh dog crap into older, harder dog crap. And he did it my improvising. In his second year, he was ready to be a QB. He wrote a letter thanking the team and showing off his leadership, and then he wanted to pass, only he had NO ONE to pass to that could catch VD in a whore house. That is the Titans’ fault. He also got a little dinged by running around, further instilling in his mind that he needed to camp out in the pocket.

   Then, he gets his team to the playoffs on the back of piss-poor QB play, a decent running game, and a great defense (sound familiar, Kerry Collins?).

   He comes out his third season, after the Titans draft a RB with the first pick (who happens to be dang good, but a go-to WR he is not), and gets rolled over on, in the pocket I believe, and loses his job to Cap’n Codeine. Fisher saw that Cap’n Codeine made slightly fewer errors than Vince, and anointed him the savior.

   How would you feel if you were Vince? Your team does very little to help you in the offseason, and then you get injured early and have no chance of winning your job back while watching a guy that is marginally better with virtually no upside.

   Now, Vince is still getting paid, a lot, and needs to man up and go get his job back. I’m not sure it will happen.

   Hook ‘em!

5. huge said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 10:51 am

   stubborness? reads like emotional immaturity to me (vince).

   fisher isn’t the reason they lost to baltimore. i’d blame the turnovers.

6. huge said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 10:53 am

   Cap’n Codeine?

   gak

7. Super said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 10:59 am

   except for the part about the Titans finishing with the best record in the league and all. Collins certainly doesn’t have much future there at his age, but I don’t think Fisher made a bad decision considering the results.

8. 1990s Atlanta Braves, Buffalo Bills, and 2000s OU Sooners said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 11:02 am

   Yep, it’s all about regular season, baby! Who cares what happens after that, they proved they were best in the regular season, so Fisher couldn’t have possibly made any wrong choices!

9. Mockingbird said:

   January 13th, 2009 at 11:10 am

   I attended two Titans games this year; one in Nashville and another in Chicago.
   Both games we had good seats and were right behind the Titan’s bench.

   Watching Simms and VY on the sidelines is like night and day. Simms is a perpetual cheerleader, slapping butts and dealing high-fives. He chats up Collins when they are the sideline together. Nobody can replace Kyle, but Simms may yet have a tattoo waiting for Kerry.

   VY doesn’t speak to anybody. VY either sits or stands, way off from the scrum of players/coaches on the sidelines. In fact during the Chicago game it took me several minutes of searching just to find him. I made the mistake of directing my line of sight towards the bench or groups of Titan bodies on the sidelines. VY was actually a good 20-25 yards down the sideline just standing motionless with a giant down parka on. Not once did he go over and talk to Collins or listen in on in-game coach chatter.

   I love VY and actually got to meet him once (could not have been nicer). But somebody is unhappy and the Titan/VY relationship is rocky, at best.

10. The General said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    I actually read that Vince has a very reasonable cap number of 4.7 million this coming year, but that balloons to 14 million the year after (2010). 7.7 mill would be the cap hit if they cut Vince this year.

    I think he gets cut or traded in the offseason. Fisher will not go into next season with the current status quo, and there is nothing to show that VY is going to mature overnight and take what is his.

    If he showed Fisher and the team something, they could ditch Collins. They aren’t beating Pittsburgh or Baltimore with Collins, and they know it.

11. TaylorTRoom said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    huge wrote, “fisher isn’t the reason they lost to baltimore. i’d blame the turnovers.”

    Yeah, ’cause in the NFL coaches don’t get credit for wins nor blame for losses. It’s just…a remarkable coincidence…that Fisher has never won a championship as the longest tenured coach in the NFL. Young saved his job in 2006, and Fisher learned nothing from it.

12. Hippie Killer said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    I think there is more going on here than just Vince losing his job and him throwing a temper tantrum.

    My guess is Coach Fisher would probably have alot to say about Vince and some of it likely hasn’t even been reported to the Media. I’m thinking Vince was pulled rather quickly for a reason and I don’t think we know what is going on.

    IMO, Vince’s unexplainable and uncharacteristic refusal to go back into the game…during the 1st game of the year…was “the straw that broke the camel’s back”.

    Whatever has been going on, my guess is Jeff Fisher has seen it first hand and what is best for his team is to have a QB that is 100% focused on the team and team goals, instead of any other priorities. It’s hard to argue with Fisher’s results.

    I wish Vince would grow the fuck up and get his priorities in order. Seriously, what could possibly be so bad?

13. Hippie Killer said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    This was a great season for the Titans and I hope Vince took the opportunity to watch and learn from somebody who has been doing it for 15 years.

    It doesn’t sound like he took advantage of that opportunity.

    Reminds me of a kid I grew up with. Anytime you’d call a foul on him, he’d take his ball and go home. He would only play with you, if he could be the QB. He was an asshole. I hope Vince isn’t this guy.

14. Cheborneck said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    TaylorTeaSipper – VY needs to grow and learn to be a man. He’s making millions, but wants to pout and be given what he needs to learn to earn. Pro football is a tough life and a rough business. Owners, coaches and team mates aren’t there for the sole purpose of making one player feel loved. They are there to win. VY has a role to play, He needs to learn to play it or get out. There’s no crying in football.

15. Scipio Tex said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Taylor:

    Fisher coached an extremely aggressive game that had the Ravens on the ropes. The Titans players and Chris Johnson’s injury bailed Baltimore out.

    Vince has a lot of losers and hangers-on in his ear right now. He needs to fire a lot of people in his family and most of his friends.

16. TaylorTRoom said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Sure, I get that and agree. I said that Young needs to be less stubborn and learn.

    I also posted that Young saved Fisher’s job in ’06. Those two statements are not mutually exclusive. I’ll say it a different way. In ’06, if the wonderfully accurate, poised, and ball-protecting Kerry Collins stayed the starter the entire year, Jeff Fisher would have been fired. Collins would have been released and Fisher would be the coordinator in Minnesota or something.

    I stand by my assertion that both sides can learn from this.

17. The General said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    TTR,

    What’s to learn?

    That a team with a horrible offensive line, no receivers, no running backs, and the youngest defense in the NFL is better with a mobile playmaker at QB. Seems obvious.

    And a team with an outstanding offensive line, very good running backs, mediocre possession receivers, and an outstanding defense is better off with a veteran game manager than a petulant playmaker that has regressed since coming into the league. The choice, again, seems obvious.

    I’m as big a Vince homer as there is, but the onus is on him to earn playing time not on Fisher to give it. If Fisher doesn’t think VY is committed, then that means he isn’t. Football teams are autocracies.

18. Vince's Mom said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    I agree with uthookem. You have the resume I’m looking for in the search for a new addition to Vince’s entourage.

19. srr50 said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    My hope in all of this has nothing to do with Fisher’s coaching acumen.

    My hope Fisher is/can be the responsible adult in Young’s life who holds him accountable in his career and who as Scip points out, can help him prioritize his life.

    Just about every report coming out of Tennessee this year indicates that Young has lost the backing of his teammates, and following Fisher’s advice to show up 100% in the offseason workouts will go a long way to getting them back.

20. Tyrell Gatewood said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    uthookem, that nickname is copyrighted in the city of Austin. Recognize.

21. jc25 said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Does anyone have a discussion about Vince when he was on the sideline/sharing time with Chance Mock? Was he this broody introvert y’all are describing?

    I’m wondering if it’s exclusive to his NFL days, and the problem really is with Jeff Fisher/the Titans/the NFL fame, or if he’s really a carbon copy of Hippie Killer’s childhood friend.

22. Dalton Robicheaux said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Hope it works out for Vince, but I simply can’t feel sorry for anyone making that kind of money. Stand up and win the job. It’s competition for big bucks. Don’t be a pussy and go kick Collin’s ass.

23. Bartoncreek said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    I don’t know what to think anymore. Fisher is a highly overrated slightly above average coach that has never and will never win a Super Bowl. Vince is a win at all costs player who believes that he should win every game he plays in and every Super Bowl from now til he retires. It is clearly a horrible mix.

    Now is Vince being a whiny bitch? Maybe. Is he curling up in the fetal position like Stoops when he meets with adversity. Maybe. It is hard for me to believe, but it certainly looks like it.

    I still believe that Vince could win multiple Super Bowls if he had a coach that turned the team over to him. Fisher is not that guy. Fisher wants complete charge with no playmakers that could make a mistake on offense. Vince is the anti-Fisher. A playmaker that has to be turned loose to make plays and mistakes. I’ll take my chances with him anytime and beat your ass 9 times out of 10. But Fisher is the wrong guy.

    Whose fault is it? Probably both. But mostly it is Fisher’s. He doesn’t have the balls needed to let a player with Vince’s skillset do his thing. I will never believe that he is not capable of making it. I saw him in person too many times. He is the best football I’ve ever seen and I don’t believe the NFL crap that it is too much or too hard or too complex.

24. uthookem said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    WTF T. Gatewood?

    I guess I’m a little slow.

25. jc25 said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    The best football I’ve ever seen was the crystal one in Mack’s hands, or possibly one made by Wilson, but to each his own.

26. 8straight said:

    January 13th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Even if Fisher is the biggest prick in sports, which he is not, Vince still owes it to himself and the team to maintain his teammates’ respect. He obviously is not doing that. How ironic that one of the most vilified players, by some malcontent fans, in UT history is the stand up guy and the hero of Longhorn nation has lost his way.

27. Mr. Lippman said:

    January 14th, 2009 at 4:23 am

    “NO ONE to pass to that could catch VD in a whore house”

    That should end up on a Hallmark card someday.

    I like it.

28. BatesHorn said:

    January 14th, 2009 at 4:23 am

    This whole situation just upsets me. I know I should be making some snarky comment, preferably with a hip cultural reference. But the reality is, like most here, I have huge man love for Vince. It just kills me to see him not succeeding.

29. 1990s Atlanta Braves, Buffalo Bills, and 2000s OU Sooners said:

    January 14th, 2009 at 7:00 am

    I second that, Bates. That is why I hope he is able to turn it around. Health for him has been an issue, and I hope the year on the bench and this offseason will get him healthy, in body and mind.

    Hook ‘em!

30. Justaguy said:

    January 14th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I think Fisher and everyone in the organization would be happy to turn the team over to Vince, but for that to happen one thing must take place. Vince must do the things a team leader must do to earn the respect of everyone in the organization. He must be the first one at the facility and the last one to lead. No one should out work him, spend more time with their position coach, watch more film, and push their talents farther. Look at guys like Manning and Brady. No one has done more to win for their respective organizations.

    The irony is that Vince wanted to come to Houston and take over for David Carr. I got sick of hearing all the callers and reading all the articles that Vince would provide the leadership the Texans sorely needed. That Vince was a winner and Carr was a loser. Yet, Vince’s behavior and work habits in the NFL seem to more closely resemble David Carr’s than Peyton Manning’s.

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