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Why is the New York Times losing so much money?
Posted by HenryJames on December 26th, 2008 under Recruiting
Oh.
Apparently it’s now enough to interview just two people for an article. Is it possible that those two are biased? Perish the thought!
So let’s take a look at the biggest bullshit claims.
-McFarland was a guest of OU at the game in Dallas this year. Yet somehow after the game McFarland ends up at a party thrown by Caligula. An ‘upscale hotel’ that had naked women ‘romancing each other’ and drugs among other temptations. Sure it did. I’ve yet to see any party like this during OU weekend. No one has. But when you’re trying to convince yourself to go to a school where players have raped women in the dorms and players have been busted for selling cocaine, you project. And when you’re a shitty reporter from a 4th rate college, you don’t attempt to verify anything. Just print it.
-Ms. Adams had dinner at Mack Brown’s house. She said Brown asked her, “Whose house do you like better, Bob Stoops’s, Les Miles’s or mine?” That Brown. Always bragging! Ask any high school coach, recruit, player or parent if this sounds anything remotely like the Mack Brown they know. Of course not.
-Texas coach Oscar Giles, ‘who is black’, did not call McFarland until he asked who he would talk to if he ever had any problems about race. You mean the defensive ends coach whose assigned recruiting area is Houston did not call a defensive tackle in East Texas until he was asked to? How nefarious!
-Texas coach Will Muschamp had to explain to Ms. Adams that Texas had probably sent her more phone calls and letters than they had to any other parent.
“He was acting like he was doing me a favor,” Adams said. “You’re recruiting my son. I feel sorry for them if they’re saying they haven’t had that much interaction with any other recruit’s family. I feel sorry for those families. I really do.”
How generous(?) of Ms. Adams to feel sorry for those parents who are not using their children for financial leverage.
-McFarland said that at Texas, groups of players worked out with a strength coach while at OU it was one-on-one workouts. Right. I hate to be the one to break it to you, Jamarcus, but you are one of 85 scholarship players. You’re not going to get individual attention for every workout. Typically an adult would step in at this point and explain it to you. But have fun with Jerry Schmidt. He really cares about you.
-Ms. Adams claimed that Texas’ recruiting efforts were done through Lufkin coach John Outlaw. As anyone who follows recruiting more closely than a reporter for the New York Times knows, if anything Lufkin is an Aggie town. John Outlaw has sent exactly two players to Texas during Mack Brown’s tenure. Both signed in 1998. Normally when you have someone accuse another of bias, you interview the other person. Did you even make an attempt to interview Coach Outlaw, Thayer? I’ll save you some time. The reason Texas coaches had to meet with McFarland at the school was because Ms. Adams refused to let them in her house. Thay it isn’t so!
-Texas was trying to divide the family.
“It is obvious that the recruiting has put a strain on your relationship,” the message said. “JaMac wants Texas, and Mom wants OU. We want you to still come to Texas, but we are going to slow our process down because you two need some time to get on the same page. We do not want players at Texas if everyone isn’t on the same page.”
In the same message, Brown wrote that Texas would not visit again unless requested.
McFarland’s mother and grandmother were offended.
“That’s tacky to me,” Adams said. “You’re basically telling my kid to just go against his parents.”
Offended? That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it (the correct one) is that Brown told you that he doesn’t sign kids unless the parents support that decision. That’s why Texas spends so much time recruiting the parents as well as the children.
-Finally we get to what the whole recruitment was about.
“Two days later, another Internet report surfaced, this time suggesting that McFarland and his mother had been offered extra inducements by universities and had then reported the transgressions to Texas.”
Reported the transgressions to Texas? That’s one way of putting it. Here’s another way. The saintly Ms. Adams asked what Texas was going to offer. That’s when Texas backed off. Mack Brown had to politely explain to her in a letter that Texas doesn’t do things that way. After you finish reading Jamarcus’ homework, Thayer, maybe you can ask her to read that letter.
If she pleads ignorance, there’s a copy in Austin.
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The General,
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Sailor’s sponsoring it? Holy shit…that likely means goats, togas, and lots of cheap wine.
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anonymous said:
December 26th, 2008 at 9:56 am
The Gray Lady strikes again. Wonderful reporting ethics to run completely unsubstantiated attacks from the McFarlands knowing full well that Texas cannot comment on them. And to completely ignore all the smoke the other way.
Texas had better be doing something with regard to the paper. If Mack is inclined to do nothing, someone else should step in. This has to be addressed harshly.
JoeJ said:
December 26th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Time to show Mr Evans some Longhorn love.
Register for free at this site and discredit his reporting as biased.
http://www.newscred.com/author/show/name/thayer-evans
jackburton said:
December 26th, 2008 at 10:23 am
ah, the new york times. it used to be the newspaper of record, now it’s the building of record for base jumpers. (this joke brought to you courtesy of dennis miller.)
Scipio Tex said:
December 26th, 2008 at 10:39 am
This is the Okie’s dedicated blog page on the NYT:
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/author/thayer-evans/
90% of his material is OU related – quite a wide span of interest for a guy covering college football. Basically, you have an Oklahoma homer puporting to offer a legitimate journalistic take having interviewed exactly two subjects – one of whom we’ve already suggested had her hand out from the beginning – the other a reluctant recruit who favored Texas at the outset but who didn’t want to sell out his mama after she placed him on the auction block.
The crude, stage-managed quality of this whole event is comedy.
Scipio Tex said:
December 26th, 2008 at 10:41 am
If you think Thayer is credible, chime in!
http://www.newscred.com/author/show/name/thayer-evans
RansomStoddard said:
December 26th, 2008 at 10:44 am
This whole thing is a joke. If he really is so stupid that he thinks his s&c workouts will be personally supervised by the S&C Coach at blowu then he is too stupid to get in to UT.
Vasherized said:
December 26th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Thanks, that felt good.
Fecal McBee said:
December 26th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Ah, so Thayer’s not credible but that report you fellas posted that angered Mrs. Adams is?
Great parallel universe you fellas live in.
jason staten said:
December 26th, 2008 at 11:22 am
As bad as the NY Times article was, your article is even worse. You dont have a single quote from anybody, you are just making up your own BS and interpretations based on zero source evidence.
Why dont you try to interview Adams/McFarland and then you can write a real journalistic piece instead of just spewing out BS behind an anonymous internet name.
At least the NY times guy stands behind his own work with a real name, who the fuck are you?
JustAGuy said:
December 26th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Wait a minute. A guy with the name of an English underwear model turned actor in action films is calling out someone else about hiding their identity?
Evans puts together a piece that did take a little time and happens to come out when the kids commits? Part of this is information from a paper the kid wrote in English class? Hmmmmmm……interesting as my senior in high school isn’t allowed to bring neither test nor paper home for fear that it will be re-used, re-copied, or sold on the internet. So how in the world can this guy get a copy of the paper, but can’t site any other sources? How does he happen to have had this piece in the works? Isn’t this ironic this is the second said piece he has written on recruiting and both happen to involve the University of Texas?
Bob in Houston said:
December 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
There is such a thing in English curriculum as creative writing…
Why not ask the kid, why did you write this?
When, where, how did this happen? How did you know it was a Texas party? Who invited you? How did you get there?
If Evans really wanted to nail Texas, this would have been the way to do it.
He obviously wasn’t following the family around 24/7, and there’s no indication he observed anything that is against the rules. He did print what he was told, but that means nothing to the NCAA, which undoubtedly will be visiting the family.
JustAGuy said:
December 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Bob I agree with your post. Our oldest is taking a creative writing class and they indeed encouraged to write whatever they wish. Papers for that class are indeed returned in contrast to her AP English class. I wonder about the merit in siting a paper from a creative writing class as a credible source.
In my mind it re-enforces how poorly the article was constructed and based upon the fact the author wrote the piece last year about Scott it isn’t a huge leap in thinking he is more concerned with painting the Texas program in an unflattering light.
dmak124 said:
December 26th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
There’s a reason TX went through Coach Outlaw and OU didn’t…
M said:
December 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
The phrase “dodging a bullet” comes to mind.
EyesOfTX said:
December 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
What a shocker. Yet another kid whose parents and hangers-on have their hands out for illegal inducements ends up at OU. I am shocked, shocked, to hear that cheating is going on in Norman!
PatronSaint said:
December 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I was checking TexAgs just to see what their reaction to the article. Not even they believe it.
Suddenly the snake-oil salesman Mr. February becomes a blowhard about how rich he is? Please.
The fact that it is OU that plays the part of the by-golly never-give-up recruiting angel is a nice touch. It’s like reading a story that somehow is able to work in the line “Adolf gently caressed little Ms. Silverstein’s cheek. She cried because she knew she finally found a home.”
JustAGuy said:
December 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Just curious what the boys in Norman think about this article. Some will saw any publicity, even bad is good, but when you are already on probation and your team is preparing for a very difficult game with Florida I am not sure this is the type of attention you want brought to your program.
miketag said:
December 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I thought the party actually sounded like a pretty good time. I am sure some Texas boosters tried to get involved. Happens all the time. Dodds is too cozy with the NCAA to let y’all go on probation.
kchorn04 said:
December 26th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
If we pay players, can we do a better job. Getting 2 of the last 10 5 star recruits isn’t cutting it. I want the guy’s name, if Mrs. Adams will provide the fake name. He needs to do a better job of influencing recruits or at least help our other alumni to get better looking lesbians at our parties. These tactics aren’t cutting it.
And I want info on Mrs. Adams first call to Schmidt once J-Mac tells on him. He may go off on her like she is an opposing player going out of bounds.
Drunken Rooster said:
December 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I was at that party and I didn’t see J-Mac.
jr.Ewing.78 said:
December 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
“reported the transgressions”
That’s one way of saying it.
“shopped OU’s bid around” might be more accurate, tho
He sounds like he might be of higher character than Willie Williams, but the published recruiting stories sure sound similar.
SINCE73 said:
December 26th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
They reported the transgression to Texas because a Texas booster was the one offering the illegal inducement.
Just admit it, you tried to buy a stud player from Texas because you’re sick of tired of sitting around a campfire during the final weeks of the regular season watching OU win another BIG XII Title.
spring branch horn said:
December 26th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
You mean watching Texas kick OU asses 45-35
Viper said:
December 26th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
You Barking Carnival guys had better be right about your claims. You make Texas look bad with this shit.
maninblack said:
December 26th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
C.R.E.A.M.
Cash Rules Everything Around Me – Or at least Ms. McFarland it does.
RansomStoddard said:
December 26th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Yeah, I wonder if Mrs McFarland can get Jamarcus off her tit long enough to spit out the name of the alleged UT booster who “offered her an interest free loan”. Uh huh, didn’t think so.
Bartoncreek said:
December 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Looks like OU got another guy that will lose 3 of 4 to Texas, if he’s lucky. I’d put the odds of his mommy landing OU on probation at somewhere north of 90%. They are going to be paying here til she dies to try to keep her mouth shut.
Talk about serendipity. This might make losing Perrilloux look like a bad thing. There will be much schadenfreude for us watching this disaster play out for the next few years. Talk about a great Christmas present. This will be the gift that keeps on giving.
HenryJames said:
December 26th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
You Barking Carnival guys had better be right about your claims. You make Texas look bad with this shit.
Yeah, we make Texas look bad.
/elephant with NYTimes logo moves slowly around the room
bighornfan32 said:
December 26th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Since73, do you really believe that this article is factual? Is that even possible?
Fecal McBee said:
December 26th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Are you BC guys really this stupid?
Almost two days later, and you’re still crying like titty babies, giving every school – not just OU – that recruits against you a textbook of Longhorn class to show prospects?
I guess I’ve answered my own question: You fatheads really are this stupid.
Kates said:
December 26th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Anyone have Thayer’s email?
He just got called out – http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=893523
Bob in Houston said:
December 26th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
McBee: Why go to the internet when coaches can whip out a laminated copy (for convenience) of the New York Times?
Problem with the story is that it has the NYT behind it when it is nothing more than allegations that the source herself said she didn’t think Texas was involved.
The writer didn’t appear to challenge anything he was told. Maybe that was the deal. But when Texas gets slimed, why are you surprised that UT posters are going to be ticked off?
Fecal McBee said:
December 26th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
There’s a time to have the last word, Bob, and there’s a time to shut the hell up.
This blog and those deep thinkers over at Orangebloods aren’t helping your university. A bit.
But from where I sit, keep up the good work. You poor, spoiled Texas brats will run out of feet to shoot off soon.
Bob in Houston said:
December 26th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
When exactly do you think that time would come?
bduran said:
December 26th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
I have to wonder about all the OU fans coming to this site comparing the earlier article posted on this site to the one in the New York Times. Do you honestly think that people on this site would be this outraged if this article was posted on an OU blog? I come to Barking Carnival to read articles written by UT fans. Often, before games, I go to a blog for the opponent to get a different perspective. I know I am getting articles written by people with biased opinions, no matter how hard they try to be objective. However, this articles appears in the New York Times, is unbelievably biased, yet attempts to appear like unbiased journalism. It’s not.
Bartoncreek said:
December 26th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
We’ll just keep beating your asses with the guys we get. You do your part and get embarrassed in your bowl game….again.
She was pissed because we backed off recruiting her baby. Does it even cross your cute little infantile brains why?
OU will rue the day that they got this committment. This is a clusterfuck bomb just waiting to explode. We win again. Even when OU thinks they beat us, they don’t. I love the attention that this article will generate.
Newy25 said:
December 26th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Holy shit – what a mistake. These over the top allegations are going to force the NCAA, Texas and the Big 12’s hand and elicit a response or investigation.
You really think this family and Oklahoma want that outcome? What possible upside was there to telling this twisted story even if it were true (which we all know at least parts are complete fabrication)?
JustAGuy said:
December 26th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Newy, I agree. You have to think at some point the family mentioned this to Shipp or Stoopes, but who knows. It is possible this is a classic case of someone getting in over their head.
Black Scholes said:
December 26th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
sooners demanding we change the subject.
stunning.
SWAC Alum said:
December 26th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Jesus, you guys are pathetic. Yeah Mack is clean and Stoops is actually a nice guy. Get a grip on reality, we cheat, always have and always will, nothing will stop that. That includes your delusions.
spring branch horn said:
December 26th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I welcome any investigation into this matter. If we did something wrong than we should be punished. If the sooners did something wrong they should be punished (again and again).
I am not scared………are you Fecal McDodo?
Bartoncreek said:
December 26th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Anyone notice how the poor kid never said he was excited about committing to blowU. Even the OU hack couldn’t get him to say something good about it. He says to Shipp something about it being what Shipp wants for Christmas, not what Jemarkus wants. He talks about everybody being happy with the decision (mom and grandma?) He talks about being glad it’s over. Presumably, because he doesn’t have to argue with his mom about why he wants to go to Texas so bad and that it is his decision not hers.
It is really sad. At first I was pissed at the NYT, the ou hack, his mother and Ou for what was, obviously, more crooked recruiting. But in the end, he seems like a good kid that really wanted to come to Texas and he sounds like he is completely miserable for being coerced to commit to ou. I actually feel sorry for him. He can feel better about this whole thing knowing that his mom will land ou squarely on probation. He will end up helping us continue to beat ou on a consistent basis in his own way. That should make him feel better about taking up the ass on this deal.
Viper said:
December 26th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
“You Barking Carnival guys had better be right about your claims. You make Texas look bad with this shit.
Yeah, we make Texas look bad.
/elephant with NYTimes logo moves slowly around the room”
if your claims of evidence of wrong doing by OU don’t pan out, then yes, you’ve just accused a university of cheating and attacked a recruit’s mother and grandmother while smelling of sour grapes.
Look I hope you’re right, and there’s a lot to complain about the nyt article, but attacking the mother and recruit will look very bad if it doesn’t look like it’s at least justified.
Scipio's Step Brother said:
December 26th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I wish Scipio would write something funny
Jeff said:
December 26th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Either Evans completely made up things or Ms. Adams is trash.
ncaafballrox said:
December 27th, 2008 at 12:06 am
I like how the oKlahoma guys are completely ignoring the parts about how THEY are the ones with the documented track record of cheating.
Yeah, you guys are right… we cheat so little & NEVER that the one time we try it out, we seem to screw the whole process up really badly whereas they have it down to a science.
Beergut said:
December 27th, 2008 at 1:31 am
Kates:
“Anyone have Thayer’s email?
He just got called out – http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=893523”
Maybe you should find a better source than Geoff Ketchum for a rebuttal of that article.
Ketch wasn’t intelligent enough to even graduate from texas, so him calling anyone out is humorous.
Add in the fact that Ketch acted as an extra recruiter for texas for years while “covering” recruiting in the State, and his questioning anyone else’s “integrity” is laughable.
Hookah Horns said:
December 27th, 2008 at 3:31 am
Thayer Evans wasn’t intelligent enough to get into OU. Frankly, its tragic that people waste time reading anything he writes.
EyesOfTX said:
December 27th, 2008 at 4:37 am
“Either Evans completely made up things or Ms. Adams is trash.”
This is not necessarily an either/or situation.
Confused said:
December 27th, 2008 at 4:47 am
I am a little confused. I am not sure what the point of this thread is. Disclaimer, I think the truth is not with you and I definitely think the truth is NOT wirh “JaMac” or his clan but the truth is in the middle. However, you accuse the NYT of not supporting their claims but I dpn’t see anything in this post that supports your claims other than name calling and calling the kid stupid. What you have basically done is stoop to the level of the reporter and bashed his inaccuracies with non-fact based accusations of your own. All I ask is that ou discredit him with facts. I think he is full of it but prove it. Saying ” Well everyone knows you don’t get individual workouts with coaches” isn’t enough. I played big time college sports and I got individual treatment from a slew of coaches.
Just back your story up and show that UT is truly the superior school and not just a bunch of whiney namecallers.
Jack's Smirking Revenge said:
December 27th, 2008 at 4:51 am
Like with every other recruit that spurns Texas in spectacular fashion, this won’t turn out well for Jmac. As Longhorn fans we can take solice in the fact that he’s got plenty of choices: he can end up on the bench behind a three star recruit for four years, get caught up in a counterfeiting ring and eventually hope for the best in the (now defunct) AFL, or even play hurt for most of his college years. You almost feel bad for him and his mama.
HenryJames said:
December 27th, 2008 at 6:15 am
Ketch wasn’t intelligent enough to even graduate from texas, so him calling anyone out is humorous.
Neither were you apparently.
Add in the fact that Ketch acted as an extra recruiter for texas for years while “covering” recruiting in the State, and his questioning anyone else’s “integrity” is laughable.
You Aggies really do still believe that.
SINCE73 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Had J-Mac not had a christian upbringing and lacked integrity he would have been a Horn.
As is turns out the young christian man does and was offended by being bribed in doing something he wanted to do anyway.
The world needs more good christian men like J-Mac to blow the whistle on pay for play schools like Texas.
I bet this is the tip of the iceberg.
I have seen where many people have already hammered the NCAA office concerning Texas offering illegal inducements. Funny thing is that it doesn’t matter how much money you spend on buying high-school preps in Texas you’re still not able to win your own division much less Conference.
You can beat OU every year for all I care as long as we continue to win and you have your annual “shit the bed” finish and we continue to clear out more space for those beautiful Big XII Championship trophies.
Never seen a program buy players to consistently be second.
98 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 8:21 am
this is what is so disconcerting about letting okies like since 73 access to the internet; they just poop all over it. the above post would be so out of place anywhere other than a trailer park message board.
Groundhog Day said:
December 27th, 2008 at 8:25 am
You have lost all credibility, Since. That article is joke just like your CC was a joke. And it will be totally meaningless if you guys can’t capitalize on your good fortune. Again, I look forward to you coming by on January 9th, 2009. My bet is that all you sooner trolls will be absent from this board come January only to come out again next October before we kick your ass again. Have you asked yourself why you are even on this board?
Duggan said:
December 27th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Since73,
‘Never seen a program buy players to consistently be second.’ Were you talking about your basketball team?
SINCE73 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 8:28 am
OU buys the best players that we can. owever, we still lose to Texas.
Levander Williams said:
December 27th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Wow. Sooner fan lecturing on the subject of integrity.
Anyone else find this even the slightest bit ironic?
And please don’t play the Christian believer integrity card – I’ve seen plenty of believing hypocrites (including myself), so hop down from the high horse.
If that’s all it took to be moral and ethical, a state with such a large number of churchgoers like Oklahoma wouldn’t esteem a chronically corrupt and immoral program like OU so highly.
SINCE73 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 9:25 am
On hornfans I try to be a logical OU poster so I don’t get banned. Overhere, I can act like the jackass that I really am.
Facebook User said:
December 27th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Since – We don’t ban anybody. But we will edit your post to make it say you are a NAMBLA member or something, so enjoy!
jackburton said:
December 27th, 2008 at 9:40 am
okies who constantly post on horn boards have a streak of sadomasochism in them. i feel sorry for their wives, the poor gals.
SINCE73 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Imitation is the best form of flattery. I appreciate some of you guys wanting to be me. Keep em’ coming guys. Love it
SINCE73 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 10:19 am
And yes, everything in that article is 100% true. The kid has no reason to lie. The ONLY reason you lost him is he has a strong christian faith and when he wasn’t committing to you guys fast enough Texas resorted to the old standby of throwing money at him and his family.
It upset him and his family enough they went to Mack to tell then the illegal inducements and Mack was forced back off to find out the damage that was caused and to what extent and in the meantime a staff that doesn’t see how far down the coaches poll he can place a team to make up a .012 to let the more deserving team play or continually whine on TV slipped in an scooped him up with their true christian ways. J-Mac had no reason to lie especially considering he knew his electricity an water was about to get cut off for committing to Oklahoma.
Your ways caught up with you on this one. I bet the repercussions will be far reaching.
98 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 10:25 am
since, it is not illegal to have more than one sentence in a post.
bighornfan32 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 11:21 am
the thing about Since73 is that he knows what he is saying is false, but he just tries to rile us up, thus, a troll. He has admitted to it in the past. He’s also an idiot who got scammed by a hooker, but thats neither here nor there.
mr. sunshine said:
December 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
“The ONLY reason you lost him is he has a strong christian faith and when he wasn’t committing to you guys fast enough Texas resorted to the old standby of throwing money at him and his family.”
Man, I just thought I knew what “can’t go against mama” meant. Thanks, since73.
the Bobs said:
December 27th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
you know, the funniest part of this thread is that since the real one is already so self-parodic, you can’t really tell who the “fake” Since is…
the Bobs said:
December 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
of course, that’s kind of true of okie fans in general…
always hard to believe people can live within the parameters of self-deception required to have a sooner lecture others on morality/ethics…
Dexter Manley said:
December 27th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
OSU promised to teach me to read. LIARS!
Ben Fong Torres said:
December 27th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I would have never allowed Rolling Stone Magazine to print such a fabrication.
Beer In Texarkana said:
December 27th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Texas, you just got to keep that diesel truckin’, put your hammer down and give ‘em hell…
Bartoncreek said:
December 27th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
I think the guy playing the Christianity card is the fake Since73. Dude would be going to Abilene Christian, Baylor, Oral Roberts or Liberty if that was the deciding factor. Hell, the only place he’s gonna find no booze and no romancing is probably BYU. But I think Mormons can sex non-mormans and it’s o.k. so maybe that’s out. I have first hand experience of booze and romancing at Baylor and it was good romancing too. Romance in my pants. Good times. Oh the memories, but I digress.
I guess romancing your sisters is o.k. with momma. Ou better watch out, Ark., West Virginia and Kentucky are gonna come calling when they find that out.
ncaafballrox said:
December 27th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Like I said on a different board, I think what happened is Momma got the incentives for J-Mac to go to Dirt Burglar U even though the kid really wants Texas, but she pushed & wheedled him into changing his mind or @ least going against his desires “for the good of the family” AND NOW she’s doing her best (worst) spin on why it went down this way.
There are just so many things about this that are inconsistent with how we all know the Texas program works.
As for the “Pentacostal angle”, yeah – we never hear the 1st words out of Colt’s mouth in any post game interview where he says “I’d like to start by thanking God for putting me in this position to win” & before the game & after they all run out onto the field, about 75% of the team always heads to the opposing end zone to pray… so yeah, Texas is full of heathens that don’t have any grounding in their faith.
Cheatin’Since73, in the past 2 years you have progressively shown yourself to be the biggest troll & institutional cheating apologist out there. Your performance as of late on unmoderated boards like this one & Shaggy has really shown your true colors as a total waste of web space other than to serve as an example as to the average oKlahoma fan’s attitude.
jackburton said:
December 27th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
for god’s sake how can anyone be proud to live in oklahoma? it’s such an ugly, ugly state. i have family up there and i always dreaded it when we had to go up there to visit them even before i became a ut alum and REALLY knew how ugly that place was up there. i mean god what a bland and pointless state. it’s like canada minus the personality.
SINCE73 said:
December 27th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Sorry guys I have to go to bed…I have to brush my tooth
MagicSoccerSpray said:
December 27th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
http://graphics.nytimes.com/images/blogs/bracket/posts/evans.75.jpg
What a douche.
Orange90 said:
December 28th, 2008 at 3:12 am
Either Since 73 is trying his darndest to be the most irritating troll he can be, or, he is truly the most ignorant fool to ever find their way onto the Internet if he actually believes that joke of an article. I feel sorry for him either way.
dasmithjones said:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:32 am
I cannot reason why a person would want to go on a an rivals blog and insult the fans there. I have neever been to an Aggie or Sooner site for the purpose of pooping all over the place. Why don’t you just stay on your sites and discuss an issue? Get a life!
Nero said:
December 28th, 2008 at 9:35 am
President’s Leadership Class
Just in case anybody is interested.
Also, only about 100 out of 3000 students who APPLY make it. Did J-Mac (from the state of TX not OK) apply before he was promised a spot?
springbranchhorn said:
December 28th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
It has not work since the “special” OU students are still leaving Oklahoma to work elsewhere
Church said:
December 28th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I still can’t believe this NYT article. Here’s one point that I haven’t seen come up. Thayer uses quotes around the email from Mack Brown to Mrs. Adams, does anyone believe that Mack Brown writes something like
“It is obvious that the recruiting has put a strain on your relationship,” the message said. “JaMac wants Texas, and Mom wants OU. We want you to still come to Texas, but we are going to slow our process down because you two need some time to get on the same page. We do not want players at Texas if everyone isn’t on the same page.”
I for one wouldn’t want to be the one having to find that email to corroborate a direct quote from a message from Mack Brown to Mrs. Adams. Do you think Thayer can?
BiggUggly said:
December 28th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
An ubstantiated, but very real rumor from Lufkin has the “romancing” being Shipp’s pretended romantic interest in mom.
He is a single dad and she is a single mom.
Nero said:
December 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
BiggUg –
Are you saying OU is recruiting on Match.com? Damn! Ahead of the curve again. MackBrown-Texasfootball.com needs a new offshoot site… EHornmony.com. Do we have any single recruiters? Maybe the Texas Angels need a new Cougar Bait division to host the mothers.
In all seriousness, feigning romantic interest in somebody to take advantage of their emotional despair is pretty loathsome.
Fecal McBee said:
December 28th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Still running this little class in Bovine Bad Taste, I see.
Just wondering when you titty babies are going to stop stomping your feet, throwing your Matchbox cars and pouting.
Grow up, clowns.
SINCE73 said:
December 28th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Its typical though Nero. Nobody in Texas can understand why a prep would want to go to Texas and be 2nd best.
At OU, you’re assured winning a Championship. At Texas, you might get one of those “Texas State Championship” or “runner up to the Conference Champ” rings you guys sport so well.
TaylorTRoom said:
December 29th, 2008 at 5:56 am
It’s clear that the NYT’s cost cuttings are causing it to slip. There is obviously no editing of this part of the “paper”. The writer buried the lead (should be “Texas Booster tries to Buy Recruit”, instead of “Recruit Commits to OU”). Of course, if that were the lead, the editor would have required some validation or second-sourcing. As it is, it’s obvious the NYT was so hungry for content that they just let this piece through, unchecked.
Real life journalism doesn’t work like in the movies. Reporters don’t dig up stories; they are fed them by interested parties. Watergate was broken because a Nixon ally got his feelings hurt for being passed over for a promotion. The SWC cheating scandals were broken because rival schools gave the info to the media. Newspapers have alwats relied on others to be fed content. The only value they have is through editing and checking. If they neglect that, there is really no need for them.
Ravenhand said:
December 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Bob in Houston sucks, your an idiot. I hate you.
Adrian Peterson said:
December 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
SINCE73
December 28, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Its typical though Nero. Nobody in Texas can understand why a prep would want to go to Texas and be 2nd best.
At OU, you’re assured winning a Championship.
Assured by whom? “Where is my Championship? If I had chosen Texas I would have a ring!”
–Adrian Peterson
Hub said:
December 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I think the article by Evans was excellent. It’s funny how many “journalists” there are on this site. This site, Texas Rivals, Mack Brown, and Texas fans that paid money to fly a plane with “45-35″ shows how idiotic people really are. Get a life and move on. You’re not playing in the National Championship. You shouldn’t have lost to Tech.
Minnesotahorn said:
December 30th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
In what way do you think the article is excellent? Do you feel it appropriate journalistic behavior to site a high school student’s homework as a source? How about alleging major NCAA violations without even contacting the named institution to get a reaction or response to the allegations? Does it affect your opinion that McFarland has acknowledged that much of what was published here was untrue and that three sources have verified that much of it was completely untrue?
Of course I don’t expect you to answer. I know you’re just another fuckwit Sooner scum sucker who wants with all his heart to believe the obvious hatchet piece because it verifies what you’ve always told yourself about your favorite team: it’s okay that rampantly violate NCAA rules because everyone does it.
Drive your Pontiac Fiero into an AIDS tree.
Hub said:
December 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
You don’t expect me to answer? I can be just like you and write all kinds of idiotic tough stuff on a website since we’ll never see each other face to face. Your comments are pretty classy. I hope you feel better….especially the “Pontiac Fiero into an Aids Tree” comment. That’s great….what a cool/funny line….funny guy.
I thought the article was excellent in that it (along with the previous article written about the kid) gave insight to his and his family members thoughts when choosing a school. From what I understand, the only information that the kid has said wasn’t true was the information about the party (that’s the only piece that is in question…the rest of it was verified by the family…and I hope you’re not saying Texas Rivals is a source…those guys aren’t credible). He said that story was embellished. The article never said that the Texas athletic department was in any way responsible for the party.
Minnesotahorn said:
December 30th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
“…and I hope you’re not saying Texas Rivals is a source…those guys aren’t credible…”
Yeah, Chip Brown’s reported for the AP and the Dallas Morning News for twenty years but he’s not credible. He cited about five different sources and not one included a high school English paper. You’re quite the credibility judge there.
You can continue with your whine about my lack of class though. I don’t plan to change my tone or decorum towards a lame-smack spewing troll who defends the blatant lack of journalistic integrity demonstrated by Evans. On the contrary I’m quite enjoying your obvious hurt feelings. That’s just the kind of unspeakable monster I am.
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:
December 30th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
“You shouldn’t have lost to Tech.”
And you shouldn’t have lost to Texas. The reality is everyone at Texas and everyone at ou knows that Texas is the better team. A flawed BCS system doesn’t change that. You backed your way into the Championship game and are proud of that? I guess it is the only thing you you CAN be proud of since Texas proved they are a better team. No amount of, “We playing for our billionth NC” whining is going to change that.
Enjoy getting beat by Florida. I know I’m going to enjoy watching it.
Hub said:
December 31st, 2008 at 7:29 am
Minnesota Horn – It’s obvious you are all over Chip Brown’s nuts. There must be some sort of mancrush there, but that’s between the two of you. Texas Rivals had just as more speculation then the Evans article. Again, the only piece of the article that the player and family said “may” have been embellished was the lines about the party…which no one said the Texas football team was a part of. It’s obvious that you are taking out all your aggression on the writer when you should really be upset at the player (for telling his side of the story).
Hurt feelings? Are you kidding me? You must not have been able to sense the sarcasm in the words I wrote…and, sorry, I don’t live for these message boards. Some clown put a link to this and I was interested to see what people were saying. It is very amusing to see how upset you are. I hope you are able to get over this and be somewhat reasonable. I know there aren’t many more things in your life that are more meaningful then Texas football, but hopefully you can find something else.
Minnesotahorn said:
December 31st, 2008 at 7:37 am
You can’t even address the actual substance of the matter and instead resort to homoeroticism. You bore me now.
Hub said:
December 31st, 2008 at 8:56 am
Sasha – Yes, OU backed into it. So did every other team with one loss. Texas lost to Tech, how come Texas fans just disregard that? Since there were three teams with one loss that lost to one another, then you have to go off the tiebreaker that agreed upon at the beginning of the season (The BCS). With the three teams, you could look at a number of categories and put OU ahead….best road win, most points scored, most dominating performance. It’s understandable that Texas is upset since they beat OU, but Tech would have the same argument against Texas.
Hub said:
December 31st, 2008 at 9:01 am
You’re very hypocritical. Half of your email before was bashing me for being a Sooner fan. Can you dish it but not take it?
The substance of matter that I feel should be addressed is the part where the kid said the party may have been embellished. None of the rest was “made up” by writer. It came from the family. I think the writer has a good follow-up story to check into if what the kid and parents said were true….but I didn’t think he article before needed to address all of that.
Selmon 74 said:
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Notice all the texas fans…..
New Mexico said:
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
WTF?