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My (Fictitious) Heisman Ballot
Posted by Scipio Tex on December 12th, 2008 under Football
It’s time to elect Homecoming King! Let’s decorate the float, figure out who the cool kids are, and see which regional media have an ax to grind.
Here’s what some respected handicappers believe:
This is a rare year for the Heisman. There are a number of reasonable candidates and I wouldn’t throw my remote through the television screen if any of them won, though I do think that there are two who clearly separate from the pack. Fortunately, there’s no chance for a Notre Dame theft ala Paul Hornung or Tim Brown nor will we see a non-entity like Gino Torretta steal the hardware.
And we won’t see Gordy Lockbaum in the Top 3 finishers. You’re real funny guys, Eastern media.
Heisman Watch ranks the top candidates thusly:
Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma So.
Colt McCoy QB Texas Jr.
Tim Tebow QB Florida Jr.
Graham Harrell QB Texas Tech Sr.
Shonn Greene RB Iowa Jr.
Michael Crabtree WR So Texas Tech
Nate Davis QB Ball St
Javon Ringer RB Michigan State
Commentary: I take issue with the Midwestern caboose of mediocrity at the tail end of this list. Nate Davis and Javon Ringer anywhere in the Top 10 is abject buffoonery. Nate Davis is a medium fish in a tiny pond who frittered away the MAC championship and Javon Ringer is another in a long line of 35 carry per game Big 10 backs with a terrible per carry average and the magical ability to completely disappear in any game of consequence. Anthony Thompson, Mike Hart, and Blake Ezor send you their regards.
My Homecoming King ballot reads thusly:
1. Colt McCoy – No player means more to his team. He is the best marriage of Bradford’s raw production and Tim Tebow’s leadership. There’s also a rather compelling argument to be made that he should be leading his team in the national title game against Florida or Oklahoma. He shattered the NCAA passing percentage mark with a surreal 77% completion rate, his only loss was on the road to a Top 10 team after driving his team for the go-ahead touchdown with 1:30 on the clock, and he came up huge in every game of consequence. His rushing production and efficiency exceeds that of Tebow at Florida and he threw for 3,445 yards, 32 TDs and 7 Ints to boot. No one has done more to will their team to victory.
2. Sam Bradford – The numbers are off of the charts – 4464 yards passing with 48 TDs and 6 INTs – and you have to admire his arm, accuracy, poise, and intelligence. In his only loss against Texas, he played quite well. It was the OU defense that tapped out. You can’t fault him for having an amazing supporting cast, but one must wonder if a few other QBs couldn’t put up comparable numbers insanity in their system surrounded by that talent. As prickly as all Longhorn fans are right now with OU’s bullshit ascension over Texas to the BCS title game, it would be hard to deny Bradford’s claim on the trophy. This is a great QB.
3. Tim Tebow – He’s the most charismatic player in the race and though his production pales compared to McCoy and Bradford, he is the heart and soul of the Gator team. I also think he is in no way deserving of the award when compared to McCoy and Bradford. He has a notorious absence of clutch play in tight spots – the recent SEC championship notwithstanding – and neither Bradford or McCoy would get outplayed by a Big 12 backup QB on their home field and take a loss. I love Tim Tebow as a player and in many other years he would be a deserving winner, but McCoy and Bradford are the class of the race.
4. Shonn Greene – You have to be leery, particularly with a schedule as forgiving as Greene’s, but the kid is objectively good. He broke 100 in every game he played (totaling 1729 on the year) with a surrounding cast on offense comprised of professional mimes, student managers, and beatniks. He’s strong, has real skills, gets the tough yards, and has the ability to break away (6.2 yards per carry average). Iowa doesn’t score a touchdown against Penn St without Greene in the backfield drawing run fronts. I really like this kid and it’s unfortunate he’s handicapped by a lack of TV exposure.
5. Michael Crabtree – 1135 yards and 18 TDS is impressive enough, but when you consider that Crabtree played injured for half of the year and drew a lion’s share of the attention from opposing defenses, his numbers are even more impressive. This is a pure football player, the next Michael Irvin.
6. Eric Berry – If the Heisman purports to reward singular excellence, Eric Berry represents the highest level of play at his position in the nation. Obviously, a DB can’t have the consistent game impact that a QB or RB can and Tennessee was a horrendous football team, but Berry enabled the Vols to field a salty defense and every time I looked up he was either knocking a SEC superstar unconscious or picking off a ball and running it back 50 yards. He is The Truth.
7. Graham Harrell - Probably the highest level of competence that a Tech system QB can achieve. This is the most dangerous QB in the country if your defense can’t make him move past his first or second read. In those instances, he’s throwing just about the most accurate and catchable a ball a human can throw. That written, Tech’s schedule set up very favorably and Crabtree is a wonderful life preserver. I can’t quite get over his play in Norman when his team needed him the most.
8. You can make arguments here for Brian Orakpo (Texas), Aaron Maybin (Penn St), Kendall Hunter (OSU), Jonathan Dwyer (GT), Jahvid Best (Cal), Jacquizz Rodgers (OSU), Donald Brown (UConn) and several others. Feel free to do so.
My prediction: Sam Bradford. In one of the closest ballots in Heisman history
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RRR commented on the blog post Mid-Season Thoughts and OU Pre-Game ago
Thanks Trips. I’m hoping for lots of Willie Warren trying to be Sheron Collins. TMG in sync is the scariest thing to face in Norman. That or we get beat up on the boards which seems to be recurring theme of Texas Tech road games.
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Blake Stansbery commented on the blog post Recruiting the Trenches ago
TP welcome to the network.
I like how you broke this down, and identified which positions history shows a high star ranking has proven to be important. I personally feel that after what all the recruiting sites dub their top players that there is a major falloff. We all love that the recruiting sites bring
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Hiphopopotamus commented on the blog post Did Rick Barnes use a plant last night to distract KU players? ago
I’m convinced.
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Mister Mike commented on the blog post Thoughts on the win in Austin ago
Don’t follow basketball as much as you guys do here, but I did watch that game last night. Using my extensive experience in analyzing the sport (next to none) the game felt like it had that “Big Game” feel to it, but somehow it just didn’t turn out that way. Kind of…lackluster?
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Hiphopopotamus wrote a new blog post: Thoughts on the win in Austin ago
We weren’t overly impressive, and at the same time, it may have been this team’s most impressive win. The game didn’t have much rhythm. We never shot it well. In fact, our two best guys can’t be much worse from the field. But damned if we didn’t guard them – especially in that first half.
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Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 8 seconds ago
Patrick, no this is hilarious (From Chip Brown):
And Barnes finally admitted after Monday night’s 80-68 loss to No. 1 Kansas that he can no longer have guards Justin Mason and Dogus Balbay on the floor together.
“We just can’t, otherwise it’s five on three,” Barnes said.
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Mister Mike commented on the blog post ”Bo Made Me Cry.” 1 minute ago
The problem Ted is that Bo doesn’t like to give anyone the appearance that he’s not in control of the program. For some reason, he feels that the flow of information to the recruiting sites and services is far too much, and he’s seeking to try and control that. There’s a reason why
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Trips Right commented on the blog post Did Rick Barnes use a plant last night to distract KU players? 8 minutes ago
Wholesome goodness. Thanks for posting.
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HenryJames commented on the blog post Another night, another would-be hero 10 minutes ago
I think Kiper has Okung too high at number five. He’s a right tackle in the NFL, and no one will take a RT that high.
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skymonkeyhorn commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 15 minutes ago
Basketball is a simple game of passing,dribbling,catching,shooting and denying the other team from scoring. Simple yet played by chess masters that know what they have (known quantities) in players,chemistry, and heart (will to win).
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uthookem commented on the blog post 2011 Texas Football Recruiting 29 minutes ago
I consider this thread incomplete until a picture of Barney Frank is added.
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HenryJames commented on the blog post Scholarship Numbers & Junior Days 29 minutes ago
I summer in Brookshire.
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Texastough commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 49 minutes ago
“As long as he is putting teams into the tourney every year, I think he is untouchable. ”
Thats basically the equivalent of being one of the top six or seven Big 12 teams, which doesn’t cut it. I think he has to average top 2-3 in Big12 and sweet 16 or so to be
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Bob in Houston commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 55 minutes ago
Bob, essentially what you are saying is that we are not a well coached basketball team. I agree.
Jordan Hamilton is a selfish and lazy player. He is a terrible fit to play for Barnes. Not sure if either one will be around next season at this rate.
I’ve seen too much player development and too much
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skymonkeyhorn commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 56 minutes ago
Oh ! Trips your one liners are getting very very good in a nice sort of way. This was a great one.
Almost a classic. “ponderos, shouldn’t you be supersizing something somewhere?”
Keep up the good work……
“Admirable that you continue to attempt an analysis with some type of hope for them” -
Farmer Ted commented on the blog post ”Bo Made Me Cry.” 57 minutes ago
Good read, Mike. There’s a lot of truth in there. I do believe that one of the reasons that Florida’s recruiting class was rated so highly is that 100% of their signees were offered scholarships by Florida. If Florida loses interest in a kid, his stock drops a bit. That’s defensible
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Ag_in_TX wrote a new blog post: Did Rick Barnes use a plant last night to distract KU players? 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
If you watched the game, and if you have one drop of testosterone in your bloodstream, you couldn’t have missed her. The redhead with huge tracts of land – right behind the KU bench – who stood for every time out and stared at the KU players.
She stuck out like a sore thumb. Never
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Darius Pourceau commented on the blog post Recruiting the Trenches 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Welcome to the site guys! Aaron Rodgers is the man.
http://bornhogwild.fantake.com/
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Art Vandelay commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Bob, essentially what you are saying is that we are not a well coached basketball team. I agree.
Jordan Hamilton is a selfish and lazy player. He is a terrible fit to play for Barnes. Not sure if either one will be around next season at this rate.
We went scoreless for 10:54 during
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Trips Right commented on the blog post 2011 Texas Football Recruiting 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Well done. The Barney Frank line blindsided me like a strain of juarez clap. Funny stuff.
I’d like for us to go out of state for a QB and at least 1 maybe two CB’s. Is Quandre tall enough to play corner or angry enough to play safety?
Rumor around the campfire is
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skymonkeyhorn commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
I feel our pain…
Was Barnes wearing a helmet last night. I did not notice as I was in awe of the blood being spilled
on the floor for almost 11 minutes without a point.
Coach Knight was reading this blogs out loud for TV.
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James commented on the blog post 2011 Texas Football Recruiting 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Barney Frank and Mormon quips in the same post. My Tuesday is complete.
Texas HS football is going through a phase (era?) where the best athlete talent is being put on offense. DBs aren’t being developed in vast quantities. Why wouldn’t you go after a couple OOS DBs?
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Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
ponderos, shouldn’t you be supersizing something somewhere?
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Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Gillispie’s a mid-major clown because of his off the court indiscretions. Seriously, The University of Texas is much too high profile to risk its brand and image with this moron. And anyone that mentions Augie Garrido should be permabanned the intertubes. The situations aren’t remotely similar.
If you want to go down the
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Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Leonidas, none of those points came against Dex. Boxscores aren’t reality, they’re like porn movies. If porn was real everyone would be a plummer.
As for Pittman on offense, Aldrich wasn’t playing him straight up, he was getting a double virtually everytime down. That’s not Aldrich’s fault but it’s reality.
Pittman rarely
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Mister Mike commented on the blog post Nebraska Fits the Profile of the 2010 National Champion 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Good line. What is the thinking on his ability vs. the injury?
It’s funny you should ask. I’m working on putting something together right now that will be discussing this very topic. I know you’re waiting with bated breath for it too. Admit it.
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Bob in Houston commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
Should be “complementary” scorers. Oh well.
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Bob in Houston commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Kansas: Post-Mortem 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
OK, I was there. Not the best seat in the house, but not a bad one either.
Trips hit part of what struck me over and over. KU had offensive options/outlets when Texas forced them into trouble (which happened quite a bit, as the stats showed that Texas did bring defense last night), and the
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Mister Mike wrote a new blog post: ”Bo Made Me Cry.” 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
At least, that’s the line I would expect to hear from Rivals or Scouts if they were in a relationship with Bo Pelini and ended up going to Dr. Phil to try and work out their differences. Of course, that would never happen because Bo would’ve just laughed, packed her shit up, and thrown it
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HenryJames commented on the blog post Scholarship Numbers & Junior Days 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
CTJ,
Rivals doesn’t think there are any elite players in Texas this year. Do you think we’ll have to go out of state to compensate?
Thanks!
Typical Sports Media Idiot said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
How dare you blaspheme our Lord and Savior and the only Living Son of God, Tim Tebow.
Mean Gene said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Eric Berry banged your girlfriend.
srr50 said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
That 57-yard field goal by the Nebraska kicker against Colorado not only cost Texas a shot at the National Title game, but it cost McCoy the Heisman as well.
My ballot
McCoy
Bradford
Tebow
Crabtree
Bradford will pick up the hardware
Nordberg said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I heard that Tebow is a devout atheist. Is this true?
Scipio Tex said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
This is true, srr50. The Big 12 Title Game was a 3 hour infomercial for Bradford. Had it been Colt mangling Missouri AGAIN (dude hit 90% of his passes against them earlier in the year) you can bet that would have been the decisive margin.
Oh well, such is the cruel world of Homecoming King.
Scipio Tex said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Nordberg:
Tebow is a pagan druid.
Parlin Hall said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
It was a great field goal, though.
Mean Gene said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Honestly though, I believe one of the main components behind the push for Tebow is that ESPN and other members…lol….get it…of the sports media would like to crown a “best player of all-time” moniker on someone to create a bigger story during the bowl season. Sensationalism like this is really ruining these kinds of events.
Another problem I see with the Heisman this year is the sheer lack of known commodities. This is caused by ESPN/CBS/FOX all hyping a select few players all year. I watch an enormous amount of college football, but I don’t recall seeing Shonn Greene more than a few times. I don’t ever remember hearing the media talk about him.
It’s a shame, because I think a lot of deserving players fly under the radar simply because the major players in sports media refuse to cover more than 2-3 guys per year.
Nordberg said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
“Tebow is a pagan druid.”
Well shit, if he’d be just a little more forthcoming about his religious beliefs we wouldn’t have this kind of confusion.
Phenomenal Smith said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Speaking of Anthony Thompson and Eric Berry, has a Heisman winner ever been on a losing team? I recall that Thompson was the runner up to Andre Ware the year Indiana went 5-6.
Pundits now always say the candidates have to be on top teams, but a mere 19 years ago, this wasn’t so.
Scipio Tex said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Paul Hornung was on a 2-8 Notre Dame team.
I’m not shitting you.
Phenomenal Smith said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
And wow, Jevon Ringer carried the ball 31 times a game. He’s going to be fresh as a daisy come his NFL career, which will probably end up looking a lot like Anthony Thompson’s – 2+ years, 800+ yards, 3.3 yards/carry.
Phenomenal Smith said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
That’s unpossible!! I knew he’d been a questionable winner, but didn’t realize just how bad ND was that year. Bloody Irish.
Art Vandelay said:
December 12th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
It will be a three way tie. It comes down to the 5th Heisman tiebreaker… Hair Style Points.
Colt wins!! Colt wins!!
beowulf said:
December 12th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Paul Hornung was the first black Heisman winner.
Racist.
jc25 said:
December 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
If Eric Berry were to win the Heisman, I would not be remotely offended.
Mean Gene said:
December 12th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
If someone is going to win for hairstyle points, it would obviously go to John “TD” Parker “Clutch” Wilson for his luscious Bama bangs.
jbaustin said:
December 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I’ll throw Rey Maualuga in with the group at #8 and into the hairstyle competition as well.
Huckleberry said:
December 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
If I had a Heisman ballot there would be a defensive player in my three votes every year as a form of protest. It’s laughable that an entire side of the football is ignored in the player of the year awards. I understand that there should probably be more winners from the offensive side of the ball because your truly best players gravitate to offense. But still.
So this year I would probably submit 1. McCoy 2. Bradford 3. Orakpo
A little homerism never killed anybody.
RansomStoddard said:
December 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
1. Beasley 2. Bobino 3. Killebrew
BatesHorn said:
December 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
1. McCoy 2. Bradford 3. Roy Miller
I don’t care if Miller isn’t getting the hardware, that guy just screws up everybody’s offensive game plan.
srr50 said:
December 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
That’s unpossible!! I knew he’d been a questionable winner, but didn’t realize just how bad ND was that year. Bloody Irish.
You think Hornung winning is unpossible?
Jim Brown finished 5th in the voting that year behind, not one, but two Sooners.
1. Paul Hornung, Notre Dame (1,066)
2. John Majors, Tennessee (994)
3. Tommy McDonald, Oklahoma (973)
4. Gerry Tubbs, Oklahoma (724)
5. Jimmy Brown, Syracuse (561)
beowulf's fantastic predictatron said:
December 12th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
There’s no way Bradford leaps over McCoy for the Heisman.
No way.
Dunstan Pearl said:
December 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
1. Scott Derry
2. Matt McCoy
3. Colt McCoy
hopefulhorn said:
December 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
My thoughts pretty much exactly, Scip. McCoy has done more with less around him and beat Bradford and OU head to head. I predict Bradford will win on stats and big, visible wins in the past few weeks. Colt’s biggest games were in October which may as well be a year ago.
ponderos said:
December 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
srr50. That was 1956, OU hadn’t lost a game in three years (in the midst of their 47-game winning streak) and they won their second straight nat’l championship that year. McDonald and Tubbs were the badassedry poster children on that team.
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NBMisha said:
December 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I agree with the Bradford forecast, and there is no reason to say his performance this year is among the most deserving ever.
But I prefer the arguments for McCoy. Of course, I prefer McCoy, and rationalize it out after the face. Whatever.
I won’t throw my remote through the screen if its Tebow, but I will taste a touch of puke in the back of my throat.
Will Muschamp said:
December 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
I once in a psychodelic stupor timed a fruit fly’s retention span at about 3 minutes max. That record has been eclipsed this year by football fandom. Isn’t devolution marvelous?
1. Colt McCoy
2. Bones McCoy
3. Ran’l McCoy
4. Beri Beri
Varsity said:
December 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Colt McCoy deserves the Heisman but Bradford will win the trophy – Colt was denied his moment when #21 dropped that interception in Lubbock.
One play = another Sooner Heisman
CloseToJumping said:
December 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Don’t say things like that, Varsity. You will offend people.
I’d vote McCoy, Bradford, Tebow. The notion that Tebow has come on and has a chance to win it is offensive. This guy played behind the other two all year, they never did a thing for him to catch them, and his conference is an overrated pile of Weis this season.
Huckleberry, in addition to tilting at the windmills of Heisman votery, would never run up the score, but would speak often of sportsmanship. These are the works of a willing sports martyr.
Sixth Street said:
December 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Bradford in a runaway over Tebow. McCoy’s last game was too long ago for him to garner serious consideration in this day and age.
Objective Aggie said:
December 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
1. Bradford
2. McCoy
3. Tebow
Levander Williams said:
December 12th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
1. McCoy
2. Bradford
3. Crabtree
Winner – Bradford
Tebow doesn’t do it for me this year, and I’m turned off by the way that CBS fellated him during the Bama game.
I chose McCoy over Bradford based on his dual threat capacity and his leadership. Bradford is plenty deserving, and it would be a clear choice had Texas had the 8-4 season that I expected in August.
I don’t think it will be a razor thin margin, mainly because OU had the last word. Respectably close, but clear.
Show Horn said:
December 12th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
I heard from a respected source the ballots came in like this:
1. McCoy
2. Bradford
3. Tebow
However, they are so close that there is a virtual three way tie…thus the BCS has stepped in and claimed that the lowest rated player (tebow) will be dropped and even though McCoy edged out Bradford by mere points, Bradford is clearly the “hottest” player right now.
Thus Sam Bradford is awarded the 2008 Hiesman tropy. Sucks,but true. Just not our year.
EyesOfTX said:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:12 am
The Rocky Mountain News poll says it’s McCoy, just barely. They have been right 18 of the last 21 years. I suspect this will be the 4th year they’ve missed it, much as I hope otherwise.
USA said:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:33 am
OU v. Florida = UT leaves Big 12
Bradford + Heisman = Texas secedes?
Please?
Never mind. Mexican embassy called. Appears they reclaimed Tejas years ago. At least that makes UT #1 somewhere.
Happy now?
Zimmerman said:
December 13th, 2008 at 9:51 am
I got a Telegram about this.
George Costanza said:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:04 am
http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/. There must have been some voters who remembered Bradford went 340 yards and 5 TD’s on Will’s D.
Stat correction said:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:13 am
380.
Minnesotahorn said:
December 13th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
And two interceptions. Who won that game by the way?
TerzaghiTime said:
December 13th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I forget…how’d Bradford look in the 4th quarter of that game?
Ricky Williams said:
December 13th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
My ballot:
1.Cheech
2.Chong
3.Marley
Ebenezer said:
December 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
But Marley was dead (to begin with) . . .
Major Cult said:
December 13th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Super. This just sucks. A horrible first half. Pathetic clock management. A dropped interception. And a whiffed tackle. You don’t get many chances at a NC and a Heisman. The really sad part is Oklahoma will lose and this team will fade into a footnote in football history.
DougNTexas said:
December 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Yep, Texas is screwed again for the third time in the last three years. Vince was screwed, Team was screwed by a team they beat on the field, and now Colt is screwed. Mack, so much for being Mr. Nice Guy. Next year its should be balls to the wall until the final whistle.
It’s no longer about Sportsmanship. It’s about racking up points on the scoreboard. Lets play ball Mack and give Our guys a chance.
Major Cult said:
December 13th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
I’ve about had it with all this freakin’ voting. If they don’t get a playoff system in place, I’m going to stop paying attention after the final regular season game and start focusing on really important stuff like, uh, oh whatever.
Scipio Tex said:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
As I predicted. Bradford by a nose.
Intellectual type said:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
We all knew Bradford was going to “nose” out Colt. However, he now has to go out and prove that he deserves it by not choking in the National Championship. Otherwise, he’ll just be a poor man’s Reggie Bush. We’ll see what happens.
NateHeupel said:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
I think McCoy or Bradford would’ve been equally worthy choices. Saying Colt “got screwed” is 1st class stupidity. Sam never threw a pick six all year. Colt threw a pick six against Tech in the 3rd quarter of a game UT would go on to lose by 6 points.
“How’d Bradford look in the 4th quarter of that game?”
7-12, 104 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT (last second hail mary). Bradford threw as many TDs in the 4th quarter as Colt threw in the entire game. Colt just made his presence known in other ways.
Ty Detmer resurfaced said:
December 13th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
dick said:
December 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
“Colt just made his presence known in other ways.”
like his presence in the win column
Jason White said:
December 13th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Don’t worry guys, Sam’s got the Championship game on lockdown.
Troy Smith said:
December 13th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
heisman winners do really well in bowl games. Oh and in the Pros too…ask my friend eric crouch
Billy Sims said:
December 13th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I am a total loser. Goos thing I went to OU it fits me perfect
For Support Rather Than Illumination said:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:12 am
“How’d Bradford look in the 4th quarter of that game?”
7-12, 104 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT (last second hail mary). Bradford threw as many TDs in the 4th quarter as Colt threw in the entire game. Colt just made his presence known in other ways.
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That makes it look not so bad.
However, the Sooners initial drive of the 4th was for a TD. Texas answered.
From that point forward, OU went punt, turnover on downs, and INT. Bradford was 4-9 for 61 yards. There were also 2 “team incompletions”. I’m not sure what those are. I’m pretty sure they’re not good. 4-11 for 61 yards?
During crunch time against UT, Bradford looked very ordinary. He didn’t lose the game in the 4th, but he sure as hell didn’t do anything to win it.
By the way, Bradford is a very deserving Heisman winner…but so what if he threw “as many TDs in the 4th as Colt threw in the game”?
In the 2nd quarter, Colt completed a pass to the Sooners’ 1-yard line. Cody Johnson ran it in for the score.
In the 4th, he hit Shipley for 37 yards. It was initially ruled a TD, but it was (correctly) placed at the 1. Cody Johnson ran it in from there.
Also in the 4th, he hit Miller in the freakin’ hands in the endzone, but Roy dropped it. Cody Johnson went ahead and took it in on the next play. Sensing a theme here?
4 more yards passing and Colt suddenly has 4 TD passes instead of 1. And the game would have been no different.
You’re using stats like a drunk uses a lamppost.
hornbymarriage said:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:18 am
I say we send all these “voters” to work/live in Oklahoma for a year. Hell, let’s even send the BCS computers too. After that harrowing experience, all this misplaced BlowU love will stop forever.
Heisman voters: “Colt McCoy is obviously the most important player to his team and all around threat….wait…look…so shiny…big numbers…Bradford!”
RansomStoddard said:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:22 am
Next year let’s keep our starters in the game for all four quarters like Little Game Bob. Screw sportsmanship. It’s all about margin of victory. Message received.
fatbastard said:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Scipio, thanks for the Dwyer mention. He is a beast and might be in the running next year.
USA said:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:21 am
So what next for you Texas people? Continue to fire ad hominem from your parents’ basement computers? Round up various stereotypes of Oklahoma for another of your circular firing squads? Secede from the Union? (my personal recommendation) Or will you finally each get a life apart from your masturbatory obsesssion with twenty-something year old college boys, lose some weight, go on your first date, and otherwise shut your yaps?
A little introspection would go a long way for most of you.
But thanks for the laughs as we’ve watched you collectively implode.
Parlin Hall said:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Our parents don’t have computers. Too “new-fangled,” and perhaps the work of the Devil.
Basements are rarer than you might think, too.
But I wouldn’t want to be a Sooner for all the money in the world.
ChrisApplewhite said:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:31 am
If those stereotypes applied to even one of us, I would be really offended.
Trips Right said:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:43 am
If we had ou’s recruiting stereotype we’d never lose out on a player we wanted.
(The Original)Tim said:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I’m not going to say Graham Harrell deserved to be #1 and win it all, but to put him at #7? There has to be a very special seat on the short bus for an individual that puts Colt McCoy at #1 and Graham Harrell at #7.
UT has won at least 10 games for what 7-8 years in row. Now McCoy comes into the 08′ season after a medicore 07′ season wins 11 games and everyone is ready to annoint him ‘Savior’? UT wins 10+ games every year with or without Colt, he shouldn’t be rewarded for doing something that happens every year at UT.
Graham Harrell is only in the top 2 of every measureable QB Career category. Led Texas Tech to their first 11 win season in SCHOOL HISTORY, and did it all with Crabtree and a bunch of 3-star and walk-on players. Maybe the College Football community needs to wake-up and realize, that the measure of an “outstanding” player is a player that leads their team to it’s greatest season ever. Not the McCoy’s, Tebows, or Bradfords who lead the Nations best talent to the usual every year.
ChrisApplewhite said:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Colt didn’t have a cushy schedule and Michael Crabtree.
Is Harrell that much better than the last 5-6 Tech QBs that led the nation in passing? No.
(The Original)Tim said:
December 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Texas Tech has been the only team in a decade to beat the #1 team and turn around the next week and beat a Top 10 team. Texas Tech played 4 ranked teams in a row, 3 Top 10 teams in a Row, and played in Norman. By any means you wish to measure it Tech’s scheudle was less “cushy” than UT’s. If ya’ll would have played in Norman I would definitly say UT’s schedule was harder, as it stands it wasn’t.
Is McCoy that much better than all the other QB’s that led Texas to 10 win seasons? No.
Leading UT to a 10 win season, so easy a caveman could do it.
dick said:
December 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
i agree that harrell should not have been 7th, the only arguments that favorBradford could also be used for Harrell. I wouldn’t have put either in the top 2.
(The Original) The Original Tim said:
December 14th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Tech was also the only top 10 team to get their asses kicked by 44 points.
Tech also got lucky that Gideon did not catch the easy interception.
Even a caveman would not lose to OU by over 40 points.
God my comments are really dumb -
Beyonce said:
December 14th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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The General said:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Graham Harrell was not the best player on his own team.
Bob in Houston said:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
“By any means you wish to measure it Tech’s scheudle was less “cushy” than UT’s.”
Any measure other than yours appears to disagree.
Horn in Tyler said:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Tim is Exhibit A that Tech fans are predatory, forever striving to be Texas. (Not beat Texas.) He’ll be rubbing our noses in 11/1/08 until Tech loses in Austin next fall. I’m convinced he watches the game tape every night armed with a box of Kleenex. After he finishes the deed, he does a “horns down” as he cleans himself. It wasn’t nature’s way, but it makes Tim feel good.
We all know that Tech will go back to its proper place of losing to Texas by 30+ (or is it 40+?) pts. on the road to a Top 10 team next year in Austin. Tim knows that fact better than anyone else. The real question is whether Tim will promise to finally leave once the universe has corrected itself. Hopefully, he won’t be around that long.
Billy Sims said:
December 15th, 2008 at 8:37 am
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t1climb1 said:
December 15th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Texas Tech has been the only team in a decade to beat the #1 team and turn around the next week and beat a Top 10 team.
Tim, you do realize that you got both of those games at home right? That’s why your schedule is viewed by sane and objective people as easier. As for your 4 game stretch you cite, your 4 were not as tough as our 4. See the side by side comparison to see what I mean:
Texas Tech: at Kansas, Texas, Okie St, at OK
Texas: OK (neutral), MO, Okie St, At Tech
Tech played 2 of their 3 toughest games at home AND had a week off before their final test against OK (maybe you needed 2 weeks off).We had no week off and played our final game on the road in a hostile environment.
As for the rest of your schedule do I really need to go into that?
Graham Harrell had a great year no doubt and I take nothing away from him. Your team had a great season as well. Congrats and see you in Austin next year.
ponderos said:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:21 am
You can remove Mizzou and OSU from that list.
Forever.
dusk till dawn said:
December 15th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I dont think Harrell should have won it all, but he should have been at the ceremony at least. his numbers are really close to Bradford’s and he definitely has less talent around him. The way he crumbled at OU was enough for him not to win it, but he did have a great year.
oh, and crabtree is your dad. sorry to be the one to tell you.
turkey sub said:
December 16th, 2008 at 6:10 am
“You can remove Mizzou and OSU from that list.
Forever.”
Take OSU off what list?
caradoc said:
December 16th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Every time I see that trophy I can’t help thinking that since he’s got his weight on his leg facing the defender and the other leg stretched out behind him, if he tries to stiff arm, he’s just going to fall right over.
Turk 182 said:
December 16th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Sad truth is that Tebow was only on the list because of last year. Had zero to do with this year.
It could be argued that McCoy was more valuable to his team than Bradford since he had no real running backs and no TE. Shipley and Crosby are solid but I would agree that Sam has the TE, the RB’s, and the WR’s to all support him.
But I am not sure that in the history of Heisman voting, the most valuable person on the team is the typical winner. It is the best player on the best team (like it or not). It always goes that route.
Although I am as biased to lean toward Sam as most of you are to lean toward McCoy, either one would have been fine.
The fact that Tebow was in the discussion is just sickening.
t1climb1 said:
December 16th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I agree completely Turk. I was listening to Colin Cowherd interview a reporter from SEC country and he asked him how in the world anyone could justify Tebow over Colt given that Colt has better statistics in pretty much every single category and has beaten more top 10 teams. The reporter admitted he voted Tebow number one and then went on to defend it by saying you could take Bradford off OU and they would have wone just as many games and yuo could take McCoy off Texas and they would be just as good. I stopped listening at that point.