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Objectivity’s handmaidens

You can lay blame for the upcoming Whipped By Texas Bowl on a number of institutions (the Big 12, the BCS, the Knights Templar), scientific phenomena (recency bias, Heisenberg uncertainty principle) or trends (our society’s bizarre fixation on fabricating novelty where there is none), but at the end of it all I point my finger cleanly at one group: the coaches. Anonymity is the enemy of transparency and allowing those most impacted by a system to be its impartial jurors makes Sha’aria look sophisticated.

Collectively, it’s clear to me that a majority of college coaches are a pack of mewling pre-teen girls.

No profession pretends to care more about results on the field or the primacy of the contest. They define their ethic with time-tested adages like “That’s Why They Play The Game” and “We’ll Decide It On The Field” yet they (and their SIDs) have proven less resistant to trend, perception, tribalism, and bias than sports journalists – a fairly stunning statement, as journalists exercise probity and self-control in the face of fad commensurate to a 13 year old girl on an I-phone at a Jonas Brothers concert. It’s true enough that the Big 12 adopted asinine tie-breaker rules. Utilizing the BCS as a conference tie-breaking analytical tool is like blaming a flimsy umbrella for bad weather, but if the coaches had simply honored the ethos they purport to uphold – that winning has meaning, that real achievement is only realized through victory – we’d be booking hotel reservations for an icy flatlands Valhalla where we can experience “wintry mix” surrounded by droves of the bland obese (as opposed to Texas, where our wintry mix is confined to the Houston rap scene and our population is composed of the spicy obese).

The justifying argument is that OU changed drastically as a football team and dominated down the stretch after a neutral field loss to Texas while the Horns limped to the finish like a telethon candidate (by losing a game on the road with one second on the clock and then dominating the remainder). I’ll address this sideshow, which, as a justification, deserves the same mockery that the “you must rate Tech ahead of Texas if you rate Texas ahead of OU” buffoonery. A methodology espoused only by those who couldn’t break 900 on their SAT, some Tech & OU fans (redundancy is the enemy of good writing), and expatriate pederasts living in Laos.

OU continued on exactly as it had come into Dallas: dominant on offense (with a running game that fades as opponent quality rises), terrible on special teams, and delirium tremens shaky on defense. In two of the three major phases of the game, Oklahoma takes it in the Schooner. They did before Dallas, they did after Dallas. They gave up 31 points per game on defense in Big 12 play and they allowed special teams scores that made Sooner faithful ache for John Blake’s steady hand. This is the same Sooner team we beat. No more, no less. Their false reinvention in popular perception makes me believe that Carmen Electra has a shot at being the next Dame Judy Dench.

I’m not sure why I bothered to waste the keyboard strokes debunking that seance of stupidity as it has nothing to do with what really happened and is the type of retrospective pos-hoc justification that human beings trot out whenever they betray a primary ethos.

All of the excuse-making is a way for a number of coaches to look in the mirror without averting their eyes for the betrayal of the central tenet of their profession: games matter.

So, why did it happen?

A good bit of it is related to the branches of the Hayden Fry/Bill Snyder coaching tree and their subtle and direct influence on molding colleague perception – it’s a pity Mack Brown never created or was a product of a meaningful coaching family. Some of it is resentment against Mack Brown personally or Texas as an institution, some of it is self-interested gaming of the system by rival conferences, a smidgen of it is willful ignorance. At the end of the day, a bunch of coaches participated in a little sewing circle where if the participants had been blinded as Team A and Team B and resumes had been soberly assessed, they would have voted Texas ahead of Oklahoma at a 2:1 margin.

Care to guess how Bob Stoops would vote on that blinded analysis?

Thought so

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105 Responses

Chooky said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:14 pm

The woman on the bottom row, second from the left, is clearly holding.
Art Vandelay said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:32 pm

It’s the Ric Renner Christmas family photo.
Sixth Street said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm

“What about the old adage that says it’s better to lose early than to lose late?”

Perhaps that has been applied in situations where teams are tied but haven’t played eachother, but it shouldn’t trump a head-to-head win.
Scipio Tex said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm

“What about the old adage that says it’s better to lose early than to lose late?”

See my citation of recency bias
HornbyMarriage said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pm

I bet those 11 old ladies could score 31 on OU’s defense.
Orangechipper said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Bret Biemela. Jim Leavitt. Mark Mangino. Mike Leach. Bo Pelini. All have OU ties.

Dick Tomey. Mack Brown. Gene Chizik have TX ties.

To me, the big difference is that Mack want do a TX #1 and have OU #5 type deal. Whereas OU’s apologists will.
Minnesotahorn said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Other than being somewhat unfair to expatriate pederasts this is great work. The final paragraph is a superb voicing of what I’ve felt for some time was going on with the coaches poll voting.
anonymous said:

December 1st, 2008 at 12:55 pm

Mack Brown is apparently not well liked in the profession. Witness the hideous wailing about his audacity of going on the air and stating that Texas has beaten OU and Mizzou. As if this was some sort of crime, while Bob Stoops runs the score up and is described as taking the high road.
4th and 5 said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm

A most excellent post, Scipio. Alas, I doubt any sooners will be able to understand the complicated nature of your argument. They’ll get stuck at the analogy regarding 13 year old girls at a Jonas brothers concert…
Bob Stoops said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

I swear I didn’t argue my case on Mike & Mike and any other show that would put a microphone in front of me before Thanksgiving. Politicking is taking the low road.
Media, to Coaches said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:21 pm

But, 60 points a game over the last 4 games! Offense! Shiny!
Levander Williams said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pm

“..while Bob Stoops runs the score up and is described as taking the high road.”

By Barry Switzer, no less. The paragon of coaching integrity.
Facebook User said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm

Ah, wintry mix. Thanks. I laughed at that all game long.

Barry Switzer would fuck himself in the ass given the right incentive.
BoomerFreakinSooner said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

I sometimes pretend that my brother is Joe Jonas.
Levander Williams said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

I’m still struggling to figure out how OU beating OSU was enough to put them at the top of so many computer models. Cincinnati and TCU are enough to overcome Washington and Chattanooga? Seriously?

Tellshow’s site has some interesting speculation as of today. He claims that, after all of the official data is in, Florida may need some help/love in the human polls to overcome Texas’ advantage in the Computers.

I can’t believe that things will play out that way if Florida beats Alabama – I have to believe that the humans will adjust in a way that will ensure OU and the Bama/Florida winner will play in Miami. But, I didn’t expect to see the humans help us as much as they did this week, either.

As a consolation prize, I will greatly enjoy watching Urban Meyer administer a smooth butt-fucking on OU’s defense.
ponderos said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm

The running up the score argument doesn’t really hold water. For the season, OU’s averaging 53 ppg. They’re averaging 34 points by halftime. For the season, OU’s actually been outscored in the 4th quarter. There have been many games that Bradford barely played in the 4th quarter.

Some of your arguments can be debated and are good. This one, not so much.
Expatriate Pederast in Laos said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm

39-33
DBH said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm

“Cincinnati and TCU are enough to overcome Washington and Chattanooga?”

Amazingly, Chattanooga doesn’t even count in some of the models. They get thrown out for being Division II. So, OU’s SOS is effectively rewarded for playing a 1-11 D-II team.
Levander Williams said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm

“Amazingly, Chattanooga doesn’t even count in some of the models. They get thrown out for being Division II. So, OU’s SOS is effectively rewarded for playing a 1-11 D-II team.”

I guess Bill Snyder was onto something…
Groundhog Day said:

December 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pm

Ponderos is back!! Let us all rejoice since he thinks we have many good arguments besides the 45-35 ass kicking.
Groundhog Day said:

December 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pm

The coaches poll has to be made public this week. I don’t care what happens on the field on Saturday as we all expect an Oklahoma victory. However, we beat that team as well so it will be very interesting to see how the coaches vote during this last vote especially if it’s a close game.

Bill Snyder, by the way, is on record as saying he would have voted Texas ahead of OU.
redpants said:

December 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm

Maybe this is carma for politicing that BCS bowl away from Cal a few years ago. Coaching tree?! Are you f_ing serious? Year in and year out, UT gets more love from polls than strippers. 11-1 and a BCS bowl. Stop crying, ladies.
redpants said:

December 1st, 2008 at 2:35 pm

I have a question… can we please do away with the North/South thing? I don’t know how you can have the (tied for) #1 playing the #5 team in a 12 team conference and call it a “conference championship game”.
exuLt said:

December 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

“Barry Switzer would fuck himself in the ass given the right incentive.”

Only by applying the above cited Heisenberg uncertainty principle to include quantum tunnelling.
Carma Electra said:

December 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Redpants, meet SynTex1. If you think anyone lobbied a BCS bowl away from Cal, you are sadly uninformed.
Mysterious Package said:

December 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

Mangino has more nutt butter than Aunte Jemima.
Bobby Jack Akina said:

December 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

Well, at least we’ve got the Harris poll to balance those doofus coaches.
lowery said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Your humor would be appreciated if you hadn’t pulled down your pants for OU Sally. Whore.
p said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pm

My fellow Horns this is worth reading.

Ponderos doesn’t get it……….

The voters seem to fall for OU’s shtick every year.

“Oh, they look so good”, they say.

Meanwhile real football purists realize their shortcomings. Sure they run the score up on every inferior team the play, but rest assured, as soon as they meet a team with comparable talent, they falter. You almost have to handle them like Tech. Ignore all the points they score, because you know it won’t hold when they play the first good defense they face. This year they faced two good defenses in TCU and Texas. In both games they scored 35 points.

That is OU. You would think people would have caught on by now. Every year there is a glaring tell-tale sign that OU has a crack in the foundation, yet people ignore it. This year OU has allowed 6 of it’s last 7 opponents to get with one score of the average points scored.
The voters need to do their homework. Quit being enamored with the scoreboard and pay attention to the entire game. The OSU game was a shootout. It was a lot closer than the final looked. The question that should have been asked is, “How did the Pokes score 41 points?”
Soldier of Orange said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Thanks Scipio.
beowulf said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Leach’s ballot

1.Ala
2.OU
3.Tech
4.Fla
5.Texas

He’s a piece of trash like redpants, and some of you need to quit praising the weirdo fuckwit when he says or does stupid things.
L. Lacewell said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

“Barry Switzer would fuck himself in the ass given the right incentive.”

Have you been talking to my wife about Barry’s sexual proclivities?
M786 said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

TT should not be ahead of either OU or UT, which is exactly why OU should be ahead of UT. Head to head does not matter in a 3 way tie and if it does, then OU again has the most respectable loss.
dedfischer said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

I’m not completely sold on Tech as anything other than a one year wonder myself, much like Kansas. However, I think there are some pieces in the way they won (i.e. getting pressure on the QB with Williams/Dixon) this year that could result in some marginal staying power through 2009 given what the other teams in the conference are losing. That would be hard for anyone not to admit. My question regarding Texas as a team in 2009 revolves around whether Kindle enters the draft early. If that were to happen, I think the UT DL is not near as threatening without Orakpo and miller as well. Does this seem like a reach or a legitimate point?
p said:

December 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

“TT should not be ahead of either OU or UT, which is exactly why OU should be ahead of UT. Head to head does not matter in a 3 way tie and if it does, then OU again has the most respectable loss.”- M786

No, OU does not have the most respectable loss. Texas lost on the road. OU lost in a neutral site, where half the fans were theirs. Tech lost on the road.

In this round-robin between the three, Texas was the only one to both win away from their own stadium, and lose away from their own stadium. They also had the closest loss. That has always been the part that is being left out…………… where these games were played!!
anonymous said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

dedfischer,

I think its legit on Kindle. But there is some serious talent on the UT dline, and I believe they will find some ends that can rush the passer out of Acho, Jones, Carter etc. I’m more worried about finding a quality DT to go along with Houston and depth at that position.

But in any event, if Colt comes back, UT should be able to outscore their way to a big 12 championship. And thats assuming the DL doesn’t come together, and I bet it does.
bob said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

So Texas losing by one to a top ten team in the last second is less respectable than losing by 10 on a neutral site?

Maybe I’m confused on what you mean by respectable…
M786 said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

close loss to a good but not great team. Texas was also ina fight for its life vs. OK State at home and really should have lost that game.

OU lost to a great UT team, UT lost to a good TT team that is fading fast and played a weak OOC schedule. SOS favored OU, especially since UT lost to TT and not FL/Bama etc.

sadly, this is our fate.
bob said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

So we’re counting games we “should” have lost now? Maybe we should just have simulated the whole season on ncaa 2009 and let it decide.

Also if we lost to a “fading” Texas Tech team then we should also discount any victories over them. Know any teams hanging their hats on a big win over tech?
anonymous said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Uh, I’m guessing there is no “our” here M.

The BCS voters are not tasked with picking the big 12 champion, they are supposed to rank the teams in terms of who is best in the country. It is irrelevant happenstance that the big 12 uses the BCS as a tiebreaker.

Thus for BCS voting purposes, there was no three way tie between OU, Tech, and Texas anymore than there was a 6 way tie between those teams and USC, Florida and Penn State. So you have OU and Texas clearly above Tech. And you have one having beat the other on a neutral field by double digits. End of story.
bob said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

Wait I forgot to mention that Gideon should “really should” have caught that interception so we didn’t really lose that game.
bob said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

Wait I forgot to mention that Gideon “really should” have caught that interception so we didn’t really lose that game.
dedfischer said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

“But in any event, if Colt comes back, UT should be able to outscore their way to a big 12 championship. And thats assuming the DL doesn’t come together, and I bet it does.”

I think OU will be tough for anyone to beat, if Bradford returns. I think your concern at DT is warranted given I don’t think Houston was quite the rock in the run game once conference play rolled around. I’m guessing the McFarland sweepstakes are getting higher than ever, and one of Humphrey, Howell, or the Arkansas kid will end up as a starter by season’s end. That could be good or bad, but to play the run with an even front, good NG play is a must have. I think Tech is a tougher matchup for Texas than most UT fans are willing to admit given Williams and Dixon’s ability to get QBs on the ground, and this seemed to give McCoy a lot of problems. However, since Mack arrived, I haven’t seen Tech provide much of a challenge in Austin outside of one year. Leach has started to infuse some legitimate talent on the OL, and with Harrison Jeffers and Lonnie Edwards, I think you’ll see him more committed to the run game. The Texas secondary should be scary good next season, and I believe you’ll see Muschamp playing more Cover 1 and walking up a safety unless he has an immediate answer to stop the running game. OU will have a down year, if Bradford and Gresham leave, and Landry Jones is playing behind 4 new starters.
BEHorn said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

dedfischer – I think we will miss Roy Miller more than anyone on either side of the ball (assuming Colt stays, which isn’t a given).
bob said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

and OU lost by 10. (look no shouting).

Who let all these dimwits into this site. This is getting to be like going to your favorite bar and finding it full of mouthbreathing yokels. If I wanted to deal with these twerps I’d be hanging out on Tech and OU boards. Unless the internet has reached those parts of the boondocks yet.
dedfischer said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

I think Jesus and fishing will keep McCoy around, but you are correct in that you just don’t replace guys like Orakpo and Miller. Well, I guess Texas has a better shot than anyone in your February draft, but counting on freshman at DT is always dicey. I haven’t seen Humphrey on a depth chart. What’s the story on him?
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

You all seem to forget that our second team D did pretty good when on the field this year. I mean, heck, they kept Kansas from scoring in that one series. I know it was only one series, but I tend to think that the combination of another off season to develop and a consistent defensive philosophy will help to balance out the big losses to our D-line. Maybe not overcome completely, but who knows? One of the guys could step up in a big way ala Colt.
dedfischer said:

December 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Sasha, I don’t know if Kansas counts. That OL was terrible this year. I mean bad at tackle, and I think the UT measuring stick is set at Oklahoma. I actually think OSU and Texas might be the teams to beat next year, but OSU will struggle more than anticipated on offense without Okung and Pettigrew. Of course, all that changes, if McCoy doesn’t come back, but I’ve got to think he will. However, he could step right in behind the Rams or Chiefs OL and be right at home.
TaylorTRoom said:

December 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

M786, you are right. OU has a better loss than Texas. But get this- Texas has a better win (over OU) than OU has. What is a better gauge of a team?
Phaeded said:

December 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

Shockingly yet another Horn denial that there is a Team C [b]equally tied[/b] at the top of the Big XII South. At all events the Bowdens vote en masse against Stoops every year (and they have quite a tree – doubt Richt is an OU fan). And talk about “molding perception” – how may times does Mack get a prime time crack at this when his team is not even playing?

“Care to guess how Bob Stoops would vote on that blinded analysis?”

Quite a question considering Stoops washed his hands of this BS while Mack still votes.
M786 said:

December 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

TT may have the best win of the 3 according to Bob if you think UT is the best, then UT does not have the best, but 2nd best win and 2nd best loss. TT has both the best win and worst loss.

Texas has DeLoss.
burnt orange dog said:

December 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Dedfischer,

I disagree about your OU assessment. They lose thier offenisve line, which I think is the best in the NCAA. Sam Bradford really depends on protection to be effective, much moreso than mobile QBs. I also think their defense will be even worse.
ChrisApplewhite said:

December 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

False. Bradford is what makes that offense go. He’s as good as anyone they’ve ever had at QB.

The O-line, as we proved, as WVU proved, as LSU proved, as KSU proved, as USC proved, can be worn down by good players. It’s true of their entire team. But because they win “prettier” than us against Oklahoma State, they get the chances and we don’t.

And at some point in the future, we are going to have an offense with more than 9 play in it. That’ll be nice for us.
TaylorTRoom said:

December 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

This is cracking me up. Bob Stoops (he’s the churlish coach whose head resembles a bullet) comes up with a 3-way logic paradox, and all the Sooner fanbase parrots it.

Get this. If you are stopped by the idea that Texas can’t be rated over OU because Tech beat Texas and OU beat Tech- then there is no solution where the games matter. If you buy Stoops’ argument, the problem is unsolvable.

This was freshman debate team logic. The BCS game is over. You Sooners can drop this now, so your brains don’t explode.
BebopHorn said:

December 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Ponderos,
Pull your head out of Stoopsie’s ass…you guys lost it on the field pure and simple. Then ran up the score for style points and called in markers to the merry band of the incestuous Snyder clan. Mack will take Muschamp’s prodding and the RRR will become a future burial ground for your team.
dedfischer said:

December 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pm

I have to admit, I was a little disappointed in the UT fans pining for a move to the Pac 10 on the Ticket today. It was nearing repulsive.
Dunstan Pearl said:

December 1st, 2008 at 6:38 pm

Not nearly as repulsive as Corby saying “The system sucks. I feel for Texas and would be pissed too if I was in their situation”, immediately followed up by “I have never seen such a sense of entitlement as from Texas fans.” So abrasive.
Captain Mephisto said:

December 1st, 2008 at 6:39 pm

Perhaps you Longhorn partisans are wondering how yesterday’s travesty was brought into being. I am sure you might also be curious to know just how Oklahoma can cheat with impunity and reap championships as its reward; how they can be elevated to participate in championship games which they are manifestly not entitled to play (2004, 2005, and my masterpiece, yesterday); and finally how, in a just world ruled by a benevolent God, can such miserable bastards as the Oklahoma Sooners be allowed to visit so much anguish upon the Longhorn faithful.
Please allow me to introduce myself. I am Captain Mephisto. (It used to be Mephistophiles, but the name cost me credability on recruting trips to places like Arkansas and Oklahoma), and I am the author of your miseries. You doubt my powers? Then how in the fuck do you explain the ability of an English major, who played organ for relaxation, to turn a jerk water football program into a national power, winning three national titles in the process? Yes, that was me. Aaaah, Bud Wilkinson. The man was all class, a real gentleman. It was a pleasure to do business with the man.
That son of a bitch, Barry Switzer, now he’s jackass of an entirely different color. I couldn’t turn my back on the guy for a second. Mrs. Mephistophiles (she’s a real bitch) nagged me into taking her along on the bastard’s recruting trip, thought Oklahoma would be a welcome relief from the day to day in hell (she’s also an idiot). I stepped out for a smoke and came back in to find him butt-fucking the Mrs. on his couch.
When I made him my pitch, all he said was “Hell, I was planning on doing all that stuff anyway.” Had to sweeten the deal by promising him the Cowboy’s job one day.

I cut a sweet deal with John Blake, but even with my considerable powers at his disposal, the man was just too fucking incompetent to succeed. Bob Stoops, though, he’s perfect. The arrogant bastard actually thinks he got the better of the deal, although it did cost me a bundle to line up all those votes yesterday.

So, now you know.

I fell a little sorry for you folks, so I’ll give up a trade secret and throw you a little bone. Switzer is slated to be Marlon Brando’s personal butt-wiper for eternity, and that’s just his day job.
bob said:

December 1st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

Did I get lost on my way to the a longhorns site and accidentally end up on a sooner site?

Are sooner fans so guilty or insecure that they have to come here and try to justify what happened.

Look I think what happened was a crock of s***. Nothing anyone can say is going to change that.

As for the Texas fan reaction if it went the other way Stoops would be whining and crying all over the place. Heck the OU President would probably drop the important business of running the 108th ranked university (US News and World report. Looks it up) in the country to chime in and bluster.

I look forward to Karma in an orange and blue uniform smacking the Sooners.
Jeff said:

December 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

“Texas was also ina fight for its life vs. OK State at home and really should have lost that game.”

Was it the fumble inside the OSU twenty or the turnover on downs at the OSU one that made you think Texas was closer to losing than winning that game?

Perhaps it was the fact that Texas had 10 more first downs, a 78.5% 3rd down conversion rate (compared to 41.6% for OSU), and an advantage of almost 100 yards of total offense?

OSU won special teams (with two long kick returns) and the turnover battle (2 vs. 1) and still lost.

Logic would suggest that what “should” have happened was a comfortable W for Texas.
CloseToJumping said:

December 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

bob–

You didn’t stumble upon a sooner site. They’re just doing what they do – gloating over shit that they stole before karma catches up to them. They’ll go away right after they choke to Missouri or get pimpslapped in the face by Florida.
dedfischer said:

December 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Jeff,

With all do respect, that’s probably the shittiest argument a Texas fan could make on your behalf.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/worksheet.jsp?year=2008&game=200800000070020081101.xml
bob said:

December 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

I bet they did the same thing when they stole that land in 1889 then Karma bitchslapped them when it turned out to be Oklahoma.
Horn in Tyler said:

December 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

Just imagine McCoy’s potential Heisman numbers with Shipley, Williams, Collins, and…. Blaine Irby! Wouldn’t it have been an even better season if that Rice punk hadn’t knee-tackled Irby in garbage time?!?

PS-Like with the BCS crap, we can expect the media’s bizarro OU infatuation to continue onwards to this year’s heisman, and there’ll be buyer’s regret in January (sound familiar?)…
HornBorn55 said:

December 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

It’s 11:29 in Memphis, and OU is still the best Texas HS players money can buy to play in the PRO (Peoples Republic of Oklahoma).

I still get nauseus when I walk in to the Oklahoma City airport and there is the recorded voice of Berry Schwitzer weloming me to OK. Sad that that’s all they got. Pathetic that Wiley post took that…hmmm…I forget his name on that last flight into the Alaska wilderness. Palin, I am sure, knows his name.

One of 2 famous people from OK ever.
dick said:

December 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

ded,

All UT fans get that Tech does well in the statistical department. Yall did very well statistically when we beat yall by 40 in ‘05. We purposefully don’t put a lot of stock into it when we play yall because it’s a losing battle for us.

While I don’t agree with Jeff using statistics to back up his point about our game against OSU, he does hit on some logic that is the cause of this bullshit. The OSU games were effectively over for both UT and OU at around the same time (appx 3 or 4 minutes left). Because UT did not punch in an irrelevant TD on 3rd and Goal at the 1 yard line (irrelevant bc OSU wasn’t going 99 yards in 30 seconds) and OU did score a irrelevant TD with 30 seconds left (should have taken a knee but not a good idea considering the BCS so I have no qualms with it), the entire perception of those two wins are changed completely and the people responsible for deciding BCS fates try to differentiate between those two events and do so incorrectly.

ded, good luck in the Cotton Bowl against Ole Miss. I haven’t looked at what you are losing for next year but a win for you guys could help your momentum and ranking heading into next year.

M, you are a fucking idiot and no doubt a complete loser in the game of life.
Mike Leach said:

December 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Hey Tech fans, shouldn’t you be buying your cotton bowl tickets to come watch us play?

Isn’t this a great consolation prize for our “best season ever!”

I just thank God we won’t face Baylor again.
HornBorn55 said:

December 1st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

Sat. 09/05/09 North Dakota
Sat. 09/12/09 Rice
Sat. 09/19/09 Open Date
Sat. 09/26/09 Houston
Sat. 10/03/09 New Mexico
Sat. 10/10/09 Kansas State
Sat. 10/17/09 Nebraska
Sat. 10/24/09 Texas A&M
Sat. 10/31/09 Kansas
Sat. 11/07/09 Texas
Sat. 11/14/09 Oklahoma State
Sat. 11/21/09 Oklahoma
Sat. 11/28/09 Baylor
Sat. 12/05/09 Big 12 Championship

FEAR the open date. Could be rough for TeeTee.
SoonerSpy said:

December 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

I would like to address my comments to Scipio Tex’s original post concerning the role of the Coach’s Poll or perhaps better stated as The Conspiracy of Coaches Against The University of Texas. First, take a look at the Coach’s Poll as of the morning of October 11, 2008. OU has 1524 points and 60 first place votes. We proceed to lose and are penalized by the Coach’s Poll down to 1147 points. UT jumps to 1505 points with 44 firsts. Fair enough at that point. UT beats a decent Missouri team and rises again to 1522 points with 58 firsts. Beat OSU by 4 at home and maintain 1522/58. At that point UT is completely dominating the Coach’s Poll even though Alabama, Penn State and TT, among others, are also undefeated.

Then comes the fateful night of November 1 that has now become “losing a game on the road with one second on the clock and then dominating the remainder”. We’ll come back to this dominance later in this rant. For now, back to the sorry assed Coach’s Poll. UT drops to 1227 points. A loss as one would expect but not quite the loss assigned to OU. Eighty points better as a matter of fact. UT beats Baylor and picks up 73 points. UT beats Kansas and picks up 22 more points. At that point UT has 1322 points and OU has 1305. Fair enough because of the H2H. This seems a fairly normal voting pattern to this point.

The next week UT has a bye while awaiting the lowly Aggies. We may as well take a momentary bye from this rant and go back and take a closer look at the “dominating loss” to TT. Going back to November 2 and quoting, albeit underhanded, from your always entertaining posts, namely the Texas/Texas Tech Football Post Mortem. You summed it up nicely with “our failure to engage in basic clock management, porous kickoff coverage that handed Tech vital field position on a silver saddle, Gideon’s Bill Buckneresque drop, Curtis Brown’s failure to tackle Crabtree, Earl Thomas taking an angle that made Euclid weep…those things certainly determined the final course of the game.” Further, “But I’ll offer that the ultimate outcome was written in the first half by our guys wearing headsets and our player’s inability to capitalize on some key opportunities. Scipio, you were not wrong in your analysis. You had seen what everyone else had seen. You summed it up much better than almost anyone else could but the truth of the matter was that UT lost the game. Somehow in the passage of time that has morphed into “by losing a game on the road with one second on the clock and then dominating the remainder”. UT did not dominate the game. In fact you were fortunate to get back in the game and then failed to hold that lead. You lost the game, plain and simple. It is not a sin and happens to almost everyone every year.

Perhaps worse than losing the game and the all important H2H tiebreaker to TT, you opened the door to OU and said “Come on in”. We did. Not only did you lose the game but you lost exactly the game we needed to forge a three way tie. A loss to Baylor, Kansas or anyone else would not have helped. We needed a loss to Tech and UT delivered. Once UT lost to TT, they needed the three way tie as much as OU.

That is where OU screwed the pooch. We did not simply beat TT but we pounded them into oblivion. TT no longer exists. Therefore, your loss in Lubbock never happened. Most of us Sooners are wondering how we could have been so stupid.

So, back to the dastardly Coach’s Poll. What did we get for vaporizing TT, a decent bump of from 1305 to 1412. UT picked up 48 points to 1370. Perhaps a few of the voters did not get the memo that TT no longer existed. They must have been thinking that maybe something had changed since October. The conspiring fools.

This is where things get interesting. UT storms out the next week and pounds a dismal Aggie team by 40, scoring 21 style points in the 4th quarter. Too bad for the #79 rated Aggies. Meanwhile, OU has to travel to Stillwater to face the #12 Cowboys. A team that UT beat by a measly 4 points in Austin and was fortunate to get that. Although OSU played a helluva game OU finally prevails by 20. So these dumb-assed coaches must have been thinking along the lines of a UT loss to TT the game before TT was vaporized in Norman combined with OU’s more impressive showing against OSU might just offset the H2H in Dallas.

So, what do we discover the next day. UT picks up 26 more points for beating the worst team in the South and OU drops 15 points for their efforts in Stillwater against the well regarded Cowboys. To illustrate my long awaited conclusion, let us also look at the Coach’s Poll treatment of Florida. They somehow managed to lose a game to Mississippi earlier. Come October 11 the Gators had 1145 points compared to OU’s 1147. Good enough for a one loss team. Pounding teams week after week they slowly climbed in points and had 1401 points before the FSU game last weekend. For their efforts against FSU they also dropped in points to 1385. How is it possible that Florida lost points and OU lost points while the Coach’s Poll was so busy screwing UT? The obvious answer is that the voters were influenced by the constant bitching and whining coming from Austin and supported by ESPN. Far from being victimized by the polls, UT was unjustly rewarded by both polls. The computers failed to listen to the verbal barrage and delivered for OU based upon a stronger schedule and better results over the last half of the season.
hal p said:

December 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

the irony of course is that oklahoma got the fortuitous scheduling benefits. if OU had to play tech or UT after 3 straight weeks of playing top 11 opponents on the road, they would have gotten drilled. if UT had played tech in austin after an OFF-WEEK, i rather doubt they would have lost, and probably could have put up 60 points on them. stop getting all defensive OU folks. If yall are so obviously the champs, then I would imagine more than 39% of America would agree with you.
SoonerSpy said:

December 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

TT also had an off week.
Jeff said:

December 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

dedfischer, with all due respect, I guess I was merely asking the poster why UT “should have lost” vs. OSU.

My view of the Tech game was that Texas “should have won” only because they were one person thinking about clock management and/or one dropped INT from winning. Both of those things should have a greater than 50% chance of happening…more like 75-80%, given how that tip was a can of corn and given how fucking basic clock management is at the end of a game, particularly against a team like Tech. Maybe I’m expecting too much. It’s not like Pinkel ruined the curve.

Almost everything leading up to that point suggested that Texas was very fortunate not to be down by more — both watching the game and looking at the stats. Tech outplayed Texas for the majority of the game.

When I thought Gideon had caught that INT, my first thought was that Texas had no business getting out with a win. When I saw that he dropped it, and then Crabtree went in, my first thought was that Texas should have won. I don’t think those thoughts are contradictory.

So, if Texas had won that game, then there would be a reason for the poster to say that they should have lost. I don’t see the reason for saying that regarding OSU. Could have lost, yes. Should have lost, no.

Fuck it. It’s late and I’m blathering.
Tech is like Nebraska circa 1995 said:

December 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

“Maybe next year”

Nope. Tech has figured it all out, and will probably never lose again.
flamingmonkeyass said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

You didn’t play Tech the week after we lost to them SoonerSpy. Nor has your 2nd half of the season been any more impressive than your first half of the season. You’re exactly the same team. You’re good. We already know that. You’re not as good as Texas. You weren’t the second Saturday in October and you’re not now.

Your offense is blistering. Your defense is a shade short of terrible. Your special teams are somehow even worse than your defense. It is a testament to your offense that you’ve only lost one game. The only complete team you’ve played this year beat you, on a neutral field, by ten points. There’s no magic there. We’re just a better, more complete football team. If we played you in Kansas City on Saturday I suspect the results would be the same. Perhaps we’d win by more, but 10 sounds about right. There’s not a doubt in my mind.

Unfortunately for Texas, and really the nation, the people who make up the polls are too busy drooling over your 60+ points to notice the glaring, obvious weaknesses in your team. And after terrorize a beat upon, morally defeated Missouri team (say 63 – 14), they’ll be a whole month’s worth of mouth love for you from ESPN. Then Florida, a complete team with dangerous speed on both sides of the ball, will kick the shit out of you. A well run zone read just eats Brent’s and Bob’s lunches, and Meyer is probably the best in the business at developing the zone read. Sounds to me like a bad match up. Oh yeah and the Gators play defense, and you guys, well, don’t. But maybe you’ll get lucky and Saban can figure out a way to sneak by Florida.
Massive Horn said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 6:51 am

I really never thought that any fan base could challenge the ags on delusions of granduer. These tech cocksuckers are really giving them a run for their money. You guys caught lightning in a bottle. You’ll be back to the middle of the pack next year. Enjoy your Cotton Bowl trip and buy the shirt to commemorate your awesome season.
Doperbo said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 8:37 am

Honest question for the sooners on this thread.

Do you think OU has a better football team than Texas?
ponderos said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 9:04 am

Yes, but they didn’t on Oct. 11.
Bunbury said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 am

Techster,

judging by your name “sooners on this thread” does not apply to you

ponderos,

How about some evidence? Everything except your purported scoring of “style points” points to you being the same team you were in October.
Dennis Green said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 am

They are who we thought they were!
Doperbo said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 10:05 am

There is the crux of the disagreement, ponderos. The only significant variable that has changed since our neutral field contest is the loss of Reynolds, and Box now of course. I remain doubtful that your situation is significantly improved by those developments.

If OU had beaten us in October I’d say they were the better team. I haven’t condemned gaming the system or taking advantage of the breaks that came your way subsequently, but that simple disconnect from a large portion of your fanbase is something I don’t understand. If you really feel you have a better team than we do it explains quite a bit.
SoonerSpy said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Doperbo, it is really difficult to judge what would have happened in Dallas had Reynolds not blown out his knee. Look at the game before and after the RR injury and it is night and day. We were ahead on the scoreboard by 7 or 10 as I recall. The UT yards per play more than doubled after he went out. I don’t know if OU would have won or lost but I do think the game would have went to the last play.

Having said that, I fully understand injuries are a part of the game. For all the abuse GD takes everyone needs to recognize that he immediately saw the mismatch and made OU pay. The 70 yard run was between the right guard and tackle. Most of Shipley’s work exploited the MLB. The loss of RR to our defense was analogous to the loss of Colt or Sam to the respective offenses.

To compound the problem for OU, Box was also injured early in the season and was not available. So, we had a redshirt freshman with almost no experience manning the most important defensive position on the field in the biggest game of the year. Not a good scenario for OU.

Although it has been mentioned I have not seen any OU fans dwell on his injury because it is not an excuse. It is on our coaches to have players available. Coming into the year we were thin at linebacker with graduation losses and the unexpected loss of Curtis Lofton to the NFL. Losing RR was the absolutely the worst possible scenario for OU. As Box recovered and worked into the lineup it helped but now he is gone. Had he not been injured, would that have translated into an OU win? We will never know.
TaylorTRoom said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Can we play that game, too? Can we figure out the impact of having our only speed back, Whitaker, healthy for the game? Or having a TE we could throw to (Blaine Irby, out for the year with a knee injury)?
Nordberg said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Gosh, I wish Cosby and Orakpo had both played the entire game against Tech. We’d be undefeated and playing this weekend.
SoonerSpy said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm

TT, I knew someone would bring up UT’s TE situation. And it is a valid point. The difference that I see is that the UT coaches knew Irby was out and did not have to adjust during the course of the game. Whatever solutions they had available were implemented before the game.

Also, the TE is a weapon for the offense certainly but I feel a MLB that is experienced and the team captain is more crucial. What little I know of Irby is that he is a young talented player. I would guess the leader of the UT offense is Colt not Irby.

A good question on both sides is why was there not a reserve player available.
RansomStoddard said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 pm

And I’m sick of hearing about how blowu was playing so well ‘at the end of the year’. Even Little Game Bob mouthed off about that. So f*cking what? Either you play a full schedule or we all sit around until November and then play. No one had a tougher schedule than Texas, and we lost one game on a last second desperation pass. We beat the shit out of the two teams who will be playing for our trophy. Screw the Big 12.
anonymous said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Ransom,

If you look at their results over the year, they werent acutally playing any better at the end than at the beginning. The only trend discernible from looking at their results, is that they beat up on bad defenses while also giving up plenty of points in the process. They were playing equally well before Texas as after. They are the same team as when they got beat by Texas. Injuries have actually probably rendered them a little worse.
redpants said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm

beowulf,
why does Leach’s ballot make him a “fuckwit”? he ranked the team he beat behind him and the team that beat him in front of him. In a 3-way tie, that’s what any logical person would do.

This rambling regurgitated argument reaks of yeast infection. Rinse, spit, repeat. OU fans are a bunch of fucking retards who don’t disserve to play for the title, Tech doesn’t disserve it either, and UT could have locked things up in Lubbock, but were squarely beaten. Everything should go your way, and didn’t for the first time I can remember. The reason you want all fans of other schools banned from this site is because they might remind you that you are crying like a bunch of little prep school faggots that just had their lollipops stolen.
p said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm

Sooner Spy and other Okies-

Here is what Lee Corso said at halftime of the RRS about OU……..

” OU is the #1 team in the nation when they use the no huddle offense. They scored twice with it. Defensively, they are average to below average on defense…..uh…on pass defense. They can’t rush the passer without a blitz. They make stupid penalties on defense. They are not a well coached team on the special teams. Now they can win this game, but they are gonna have to outscore Texas.”

When asked further by Fowler,” What would you do differently in the second half?”

Corso Responded, ” Let em score, get the ball back and score some more, because that’s the only way they are gonna beat Texas!”

Now that was going into the second half, yet you guys wanna pretend like you were handling us until Reynolds went out. Corso saw the pass defense was an issue way before you lost Reynolds, and so did we. Guess what? The pass defense and special teams still is a problem, and was before Box went out.
p said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 pm

Here is why OU lost the RRS, and it wasn’t because of Reynolds!!!

Sooners would have you believe that Reynolds was the reason our offense increased, but the truth is something different. Here is what killed you!!

Colt McCoy ran 5 times for 41 yards in the 3rd qtr. Before that he had only taken off 3 times for the game. That was the big difference.

Besides that, our best passing qtr was the second (7.2 pr pass 1st, 11.0 2nd, 4.88 3rd, and 8.85 4th). We pooped two big runs, 1 for 30 yards, the other for 62at the very end of the game. Other than that the numbers are pretty even all over.
SoonerSpy said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 3:45 pm

p, beyond the fact that Corso is a fucking idiot, I will try to answer your questions. I never said nor implied that UT was being handled. What I said was that OU was ahead at the time Reynolds was injured. OU would open a lead then UT would close. We would get another lead and UT would close. Back and forth. I looked at the box score and believe We were ahead 28-20 when RR was injured. After the injury we were outscored 25-7. Not all but a lot of that difference was UT exploiting the freshman LB. Which is exactly what UT should have done. That’s also exactly what we would have done to had the situation been reversed.

As to the pass defense I looked at the conference statistics:

4.Texas 8 305 180 4 59.0 2193 7.2 15 274.1
6.Oklahoma 8 315 182 11 57.8 2276 7.2 15 284.5

These are for the conference games only. I don’t see much difference in OU and UT except possibly the 11 interceptions compared to 4 may indicate that OU gambles a bit more. We lead the league in pass efficiency defense with UT in second.

I continue to read on these sites that we have no defense but the numbers say otherwise. It has to relate to the scoring defense where we yield 30.8 per game. Too high. But, if you break it down by quarter you see a different story. Despite our overall scoring advantage we are a -6 points in the collective 4th quarters.
TaylorTRoom said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Soonerspy, the Texas defense made the difference in the RRS. OU scored 2 TDs in the 2nd half. One came on the first OU drive. The 2nd TD came after the OU punter extended a drive by faking being touched. Lacking that, Texas shut OU for the last 25 minutes of the game.

As for OU’s defense, it gives up over 400 yards per game in the Big 12 games. Five Big 12 teams do better. It is an average defense.
Doperbo said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm

If Reynolds was the key to your loss, what is the timetable for his return?
SoonerSpy said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 4:26 pm

Next year at the best. I feel for the kid because this is his third knee injury. The question may be will his knees let him play football.
p said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm

Soonerspy-

Lee Corso may be a fucking idiot, but he also is a coach. He was down right foaming at the mouth at halftime. He was furious at how bad OU was defensively, so much so that Fowler called him on it.

That being said, OU has struggled mightily when facing an two dimensional offense. Kansas, Kansas State, Texas, and OSU all hung big points on OU’s d.

Texas really only had two games where it gave up thirty points. One versus OU, and the other at Tech. The Missou game doesn’t count because we shut it down when we were up 35-3. We have had several games where the defense was down right smothering. OU had only 1 game like that, and that was Tech.

As far as the scoring defense goes, of course that is what it’s about. Isn’t it always? In this conference teams throw it a lot, so no one is going to have a great pass defense by the numbers. The only way to judge is by how many points go on the scoreboard, and the fact remains that OU has been in far too many shootouts. I would give them credit if teams weren’t throwing up their points in the first half, and OU had their third stringers in getting scored on like us against Mizzou.
Doperbo said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 6:01 pm

Doperbo: Is Oklahoma better than Texas?

ponderos: Yes, only not on the day we played.

Doperbo: What is different about the teams now then?

SoonerSpy: You don’t realize how big a deal Reynolds was. Losing him was massive.

Doperbo: Then when is he coming back?

SoonerSpy: He’s not.

So why exactly are you better now?
SoonerSpy said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 6:56 pm

p, I am not doubting your word about anything Corso might have said. But I keep checking the boxscore and it keeps on saying the halftime score was OU 21 Texas 20. So my question to you is if Corso was furious and critical of OU for giving up 20 in a half, what did he say about UT giving up 21 in a half?

I am glad that you mentioned that UT shutdown somewhat against Missouri when up 35-3. Here are some first half scores.

OU 28 KSU 7 1Q
OU 35 Neb 0 1Q
OU 28 A&M 0 33 sec into 2Q
OU 42 TT 7 Half

What you had against Missouri we have had as a matter of routine. On the other hand, we did not get those results against Kansas, OSU, or Texas simply because they are better teams. I am also not suggesting that we pulled out starters after 1 quarter, but we seem to lose intensity. We also liberally substitute in the second half in the routs.

One more item for your consideration. Thru eight games we have defended 60 more plays defensively than has UT, 578 to 518. That is an extra drive per game for the opposition. We play no huddle and score quickly. A grind it out offense always helps the defense.

I am not saying we have a great defense because we are too young and have almost all of our injuries on the defensive side. Two middle linebackers, two defense ends, and a DT. I am not always happy with our defense but I am happy most of the time. And it is a better defense that the scores would indicate.
ftf said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 7:01 pm

After ATM beat UT in 06 in Austin, both teams ended the season at 9-3. Mack Brown voted ATM 22 and UT 15. Guess H2H only matters sometimes huh?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_fb_poll_2006/flash.htm
SoonerSpy said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 7:21 pm

Doperbo, nice post. Obviously, we had no answer defensively against UT. The coaches tried Nic Harris the next week against Kansas. That didn’t work so we just had to out score them and we did. Box had sprained his knee early and mostly recovered so they put him in there. They originally wanted him at weakside but there was no reason to mess with Travis Lewis, announced today as a 1st team All Big12 as a freshman.

Box is a little light for the middle but has a good frame and can grow into the position. On an illegal block by OSU he is now out for at least a month. So we are back to square one.

After Box went out they put in Mike Balogun, a 6′2 250 true MLB out of Lackawanna JC. He was brought in because of our LB depth problems. He has some speed and is a vicious hitter but the question is will he be in the right place at the right time. We’ll know sometime Saturday.
Failing that, I hope Venables has some eligibility left.
Horn in Tyler said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 8:04 pm

SoonerSpy, in the Big XII there is no holding and there are no “illegal blocks.” Go back and watch the Texas-Texas Tech game film for a refresher, and follow it up with RRS 45-35 where both UT and OU held like crazy.
SoonerSpy said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm

I realize the holding calls have been eliminated. Since the officials are paid by the game and not on a per penalty basis the Big12, in a move to realize some value for our officiating dollars, have instigated some new penalties. The only one field tested and approved thus far is a nasty 15 yarder to be know as “breathing on Colt”.
p said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Soonerspy-

The reason Corso wasn’t critical of the Horns’ D is because you guys came out, scored 21 points very quickly, with quite a few busted plays by our defense. Then we settled in for the last 10+ minutes of the 1st half and shut down your offense. So by the time Corso got the mic, he had seen a big swing in momentum.

He was right too! From the 10 minute mark of the second quarter on, OU scored 14 points. That is 40 minutes my man. From that same point we scored 35. Corso’s assessment during halftime was correct. Texas’ young secondary had quit making crucial errors, and the D line started getting to Bradford. Three sacks and two interceptions later we won.

What interests me is how you Sooners don’t think the same thing would happen again. Do you think your O-line will block our D-line better this time? Do you think our young secondary, that now has a full season of experience, will blow coverages? Do you think our run defense will suddenly become porous? We are actually better on that side of the ball then we were that day. Meanwhile OU is the same, if not worse.
p said:

December 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Soonerspy-

Nice of you to twist the numbers by putting up 1st quarter and such. When I mean shut it down, I am talking about putting in the backups in the third quarter, not teams trying to play catchup in the second.

Mizzou scored their second TD for the game at the 1:50 mark of the third quarter. By that time we has 42 points up, and were about to put in the third stringers on defense. They scored another 14 in the fourth quarter.

OU, on the other hand, gave up 17 first half points to KU, and 28 to KSU. We watch your games too, so attempting to excuse by saying your backups are in is false. I was watching just like you were. I don’t care how much intensity you lose, you don’t give up 28 points in the first half to KSU.

I understand your no-huddle allows for more plays in a game, but giving up 31 to Kansas is inexcusable. We only gave up 7 for an entire game, even with our backups in the game.

I get what you are trying to say, but the proof is in the pudding. Texas is #1 in sacks, #2 in run defense, #21 in scoring defense. OU is #18, #3, and #60 respectively.

Soonerspy-

We are not falling for your shtick again. We have seen countless “greatest OU offense of all time”s in the last few years, only to see it’s productivity get cut in half when the first the first decent defense of the season. This OU team is no different.
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NY Horn,

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Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 57 minutes ago

Trips,

Do you know that he didn’t? JCB has made bad decision all season, why would this be any different. Barnes coached a shitastic game, but on the teams I was the best FT shooter, I never game up the ball unless it was an uncontested layup…..It’s not hard and it doesn’t take a
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 57 minutes ago

mcpayne, yes, you don’t leave that shit to chance. You don’t let your guys break the huddle or dead ball not knowing precisely what’s expected from them. Barnes doesn’t get 2 mil for coaching PE where he’s hoping the right guy gets fouled.
uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 59 minutes ago

mpayne, I’d agree with you if J’Covan had been playing all season and had been in situations to make that decision. Like, you know, against Baylor, when he played all of 3 fucking minutes thanks to rick.

So yes, it is rick’s fault.
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 59 minutes ago

With 15 seconds left, out of a dead ball, most coaches would make it perfectly clear who they wanted to be fouled.
uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 2 minutes ago

Stupid decisions by Brown are one of the reasons he sat on the bench for most of the season…lack of coaching maybe, or just a lack of basketball IQ?

Oh well, if Brown doesn’t go off in the 2nd half, we aren’t even playing in OT. Too bad he didn’t get much of a chance
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 2 minutes ago

Pat, if you were making 2 million a year, would you leave that up to chance?
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 3 minutes ago

Actually, if your a PG and the best FT shooter on the team and played basketball your entire life, you’d pretty much know not to give up the ball if you had any brains…..Such a dumb play…..
D W commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 4 minutes ago

Oh, and a stupid decision by Brown in giving up the ball to Johnson.
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 4 minutes ago

Be nice if we’d coached our 90 percent foul shooter not to give the ball up.
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

Ransom,

1 for 2, that was not shitty defense……
Mister Mike commented on the blog post State of the Union – NU Basketball, Part 1 (or Why We Are Where We Are) 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

Well if you had read it all the way, you would’ve noticed this little tidbit:

In the second part I’ll do my best to give an outline of what exactly is wrong with the program, what we can do to fix it, and then what will probably happen TO fix it.

So to answer your question:

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uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

The line kills us, as it should have.

Fuck Rick Barnes, as this was the worst coaching I have seen in all my years of watching UT sports.

This saved us from Kentucky, but I feel bad for Damo, he was a hell of a Longhorn.

Hook ‘em!

And FUCK RICK BARNES!
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

Feel bad for Damion…..Dexter and Mason, not so much….
D W commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

So the season ends with missed free throws and shitty defense by Bradley. Pretty fitting.
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 6 minutes ago

Yup……We knew that FTs would get us….
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 7 minutes ago

F’n Gary’s been awful tonight….
uthookem commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 7 minutes ago

GJ at the line…big heart needed!
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 7 minutes ago

Why does Brown give it up there?
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

Bilas explaining why we’re not a smart team…Oh good, I want Gary at the line…
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

The good news is that now I know to fill out the census, so i’m not going to jail…not for that anyway.
Trips Right commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 9 minutes ago

Holy shit
Patrick Bateman commented on the blog post Texas Hoops vs. Wake Forest Open thread 1 hour, 9 minutes ago

F’n A…..WTF….

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