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1. Redfoot said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 8:56 am

   Unfortunately for our conference, OU has their letdown games in MNC games, much like tOSU.

2. Kriess said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 am

   AP out! Ou is (sadly) ahead of UT
   1. Alabama (63) 11-0 1,622
   2. Florida (2) 10-1 1,512
   3. Oklahoma 10-1 1,486
   4. Texas 10-1 1,482
   5. USC 9-1 1,352
   6. Penn State 11-1 1,238
   7. Texas Tech 10-1 1,212
   8. Utah 12-0 1,206
   9. Boise State 11-0 1,064
   10. Ohio State 10-2 1,043

3. ChrisApplewhite said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:09 am

   4 points. We need to pound A&M.

4. Kriess said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:10 am

   4 points or 400 points…we still need to pound agro. The Sad thing is that UT and OU are in a virtural tie, but that means nothing in the AP. Wish it were in the Harris instead.

5. ChrisApplewhite said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 am

   The regular season is so meaningful thanks to the BCS.

6. Kriess said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:46 am

   USA Today just came out…shit

   2. ou 1412
   4. Texas 1370

   OU even got 4 1st place votes….we didnt get any

7. t1climb1 said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 am

   CA,

   What percentage would you put on the likelihood of Baylor beating Tech? 15%? Higher? Tech does after all have a lot to play for. With a win they still play for the Big 12 title. With a win and an OU loss in Stillwater, they are looking at a berth in a BCS bowl.

8. Big Satan said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:49 am

   CTJ and SL Xpress nailed it. Spot on. I can’t say I’m surprised.

   How do all those people who were cheering for OU feel now that they a.) actually went over to the darkside and b.) were essentially cheering our way out of a Big 12 title game?

9. ChrisApplewhite said:

   November 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 am

   Baylor will score points but Tech will score 60. Baylor’s only hope is that Tech gets a hangover and only gets 30-35 points, and Baylor plays perfectly on offense.

   So, not likely.

   “How do all those people who were cheering for OU feel now that they a.) actually went over to the darkside and b.) were essentially cheering our way out of a Big 12 title game?”

   Like it or not, we needed an OU win. We didn’t need a 50 point win against Typical Tech that has now convinced so many people that they are a great team.

10. Big Satan said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Disagree completely CA. We needed Tech to win. The outcome from last night’s game was exactly the same for UT as if Tech had won out. We go to a BCS bowl that isn’t the national title. Except now in a year where we beat OU and have an identical record to them, they’ve found a way to squeeze past us into the pole position.

11. ChrisApplewhite said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:09 am

    If OU wins 34-31 we are still ahead of OU. They are not ahead of us because they beat Tech, they are ahead because Typical Technical College got rolled.

    I won’t disagree that last night was pretty much a worst case scenario.

12. BiggUggly said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Scary thing is that we probably end up playing a very good SC team in the Fiesta.

13. DrkBgrk said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:25 am

    i’d watch the shit out of a ut-usc fiesta bowl.

14. NY Horn said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 am

    We still have a chance. This all hinges on the Harris poll, they have been our biggest backer out of all the polls in the previous weeks. If we can maintain a slight advantage over OU in the Harris poll then I think we’ll be close enough in the human polls to stay ahead after next week, when I believe we will pick up a few votes on OU.

    You have to look at the Coaches poll as a knee jerk reaction to last night’s game, that game was probably the last thing all the coaches saw before making their votes. As long as we beat A&M impressively, we will be able to counter with our own rhetoric.

    If things go our way and we win more impressively than OU does this next weekend, then I think we will be able to swing a few votes back our way. Everyone needs to remember that we don’t need to have the edge in the human polls, we just have to be right on OU’s heels.

15. anonymous said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Which game (between OU/OSU and Baylor/Tech) is first in time? If it is the former, and OU wins, Tech will have nothing left to play for. I wouldn’t be that surprised if the likes of Crabtree decides it is time to rest his weary bones and sit one out in that event.

16. sooner tim said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 am

    NY Horn–the difference next week is you play a horrible A&M team OU plays a very solid OSU team in Stillwater. Hard to believe if OU wins in Stillwater that it can lose any votes to UT, even when you beat A&M 52-7.

17. CloseToJumping said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Actually, we’re completely porked unless OU loses to OSU. A BCS game is great, sure, and I don’t downplay that, but the national title game is OU’s.

    We play our game on THURSDAY. People are sleeping in their recliners or eating during most of this game, especially with a shitty ATM team.

    OU vs. OSU is either a 2:30 or primetime game, I’d assume, on Saturday. Do you guys really believe that the voters will recall the Thursday game if OU wins, irrespective of their scoring style or margin?

    It was stupid to be putting hopes on OU this past Saturday, and it is fruitless to hope for anything short of an OSU win this Saturday. Nothing else changes the course.

    BTW, as discussed previously, the expert prognosticators know precisely dick more than we do when it comes to predicting the BCS because they will always attempt to apply logic and reason when discussing human behavior. ChrisApplewhite’s commitment to the position that if the game had only been close, then none of this would have happened, is a classic example with the added absurdity of getting it wrong even with hindsight. You don’t know what they would have done, although predicting much outside of what they actually did is flat out stunning.

    OU winning never, never, ever, ever benefits Texas. Defending the position after the fact is hilarious. Dude, they won – just what you were hoping for, enjoy the flavor.

18. Scipio Tex said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 am

    I agree regarding the prediction piece. This is similar to behavioral theory in financial markets.

19. DBH said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “OU winning never, never, ever, ever benefits Texas.”

    Agreed, which is why I did not (and will not ever) root for those dickheads.

20. ChrisApplewhite said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Why I Stomp A Mudhole In ChrisApplewhite, by CloseToJumping

21. Wulaw Horn said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    We are still ahead of OU- as of right now (with I think only one cpu yet to weigh in).

    I have the numbers using tellshow’s cpu rankings as

    Tex- .924

    OU- .907

    OU has a raw advantage of 1.8303 to 1.8025 in the two polls (harris plus coaches). Our cpu is .97 and theirs is .89.

    I think we are probably also ahead of Florida right now, but that is totally and completely irrelevant as we would not withstand them if they knock off Alabama and we don’t play in the conference title game.

    We are obviously going to have to do some work in tightening the human polls b/c ou will gain on us in the cpu’s next week.

    Good news (sort of) with the harris poll now accounted for.

22. zizzyballooba said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    We’ve got 4 ways to play in Miami:

    1) We eek by OU in the BCS polls no matter what happens (that ain’t happening if OU wins out): but if it does we go to Miami.

    2) OSU beats OU: TT goes to the Big 12 Championship while we prepare for Miami.

    3) OU beats OSU then loses to Missouri: hello Miami.

    4) Florida loses to a surging FSU team then pounds ‘Bama: UT/OU in Miami (gulp).

23. zizzyballooba said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    By the way. I am glad (as the BCS parrots would have us believe) that with the BCS system EVERY GAME IS A PLAYOFF GAME!

    I guess that is why we beat OU and they likely will be playing for the BCS National Championship. I thought that when you won a “playoff game” that you advanced to the next round?

24. bat said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I like our position better than OU’s, actually.

    - The BCS is not decided yet, no matter what anyone on this board says. There are still too many games to be played, arms to be twisted, and numbers to be crunched.

    - OU needs a bunch of games to break their way: Tech/Baylor, OU/OSU, the BCS tie breaker, and OU/Missou. We have the head to head win. Already once this season, that’s shifted things in our direction.

    We’ve basically posted a solid score, and are headed to the club house if we can tap in a gimme. OU still needs to hit a birdie, and win a playoff to make the big game.

25. beowulf said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    It’s my understanding that it would be extremely difficult for OU to make up significant ground in CPU portion as long as Fla., Bama, and Utah don’t lose in the regular season.

    Be careful what your pray for.

26. RT said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    “I thought that when you won a “playoff game” that you advanced to the next round?”

    If you’re equating this Big 12 season to a single elimination playoff, then you’re forgetting that Tech knocked us out after we ‘eliminated’ OU. If it’s a real playoff, Tech never has to play OU and probably goes to Miami.

    Did the best team emerge from this playoff scenario?

27. CloseToJumping said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    One thing I keep forgetting to type when I rant on this is that I hope the prognosticators are right about us squeaking by, of course. I hope that whatever needs to happen to balance out things in our liking, happens.

    I do know that if we miss out by 1000th of a point or some stuff, we can look at coasting against Baylor and KU in the 4th quarter as contributors. Briles and Mangino are not guys deserving of kindness from another coach. I fear we’re in for more of the same with ATM. If that happens, Brown will have completely and entirely misread his audience, both the voters and the fanbase. We need to bludgeon the aggies and I hope that’s the plan.

28. beowulf said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    No team has emerged yet.

29. 737horn said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    zizzyballooba,
    add two more ways:
    5) Auburn upsets Alabama, then Alabama beats Fla.

    6) Baylor upsets TT and we beat Mizzu in B12 Championship game.

    Bottom line: Even OU’s whippin’ of TT gives us more viable options than if TT had won that game–if simply because the odds of OSU beating OU in Stillwater are much higher than the odds of Baylor upsetting an undefeated TT team.

30. Wulaw Horn said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    beowolf-

    although you are accurate in what you say about OU having a hard time making up ground in the cpu if those teams don’t lose there are 2 factors to consider when thinking about the SEC games:

    1) a loss in the regular season by both florida and alabama makes it a virtual guarantee that we don’t play in the big 12 championship game but that we do play OU in Miami as a rematch- a scenario I would definately take

    2) OU can make up a little ground on us in the cpu’s even without those teams losing based upon what happens elsewhere.

    Root really hard for Rice, FAU, UTEP and Arkansas who all have one win remaining. Thank the Utes for winning the holy war and getting in undefeated but not ahead of us in any cpu’s. And don’t forget to root for Robinson and his crew against Cincy and Mizzou against Kansas, and distasteful as it is Colorado against Nebraska.

    If texas wins big and OU wins little I think we hold them off. We absolutely cannot have ANY slippage from where we are at right now in the human polls. I think the cpu will keep us over OU if this is as big as the human spread gets, but it doesn’t help to have the things I mentioned fall our way above.

    And we will go over a 1 loss Alabama or 2 loss UF that is an SEC champ so if both lose we are of course golden for the MNC, but if only 1 of them loses next week then we need them to bounce back and beat the other in the SEC title game.

    Just the way I’m reading the tea leaves right now.

31. NY Horn said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    We really need to decimate the Ags or we have zero shot at this thing. If our team comes out flat for the third year in a row with all of this shit riding I’m going to lose all hope.

    With Muschamp getting the D ready, I wouldn’t be surprised if we shut them out and hurt a couple of their players along the way. I think the key will be the offense coming out strong and giving us an early big lead. If we can get up 14 early in the game I think the Ags will collapse like Tech did last night and we will be able to name our score.

32. zizzyballooba said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    RT said:

    “If you’re equating this Big 12 season to a single elimination playoff, then you’re forgetting that Tech knocked us out after we ‘eliminated’ OU. If it’s a real playoff, Tech never has to play OU and probably goes to Miami.

    Did the best team emerge from this playoff scenario?”

    RT – Thanks for making my point. I am not equating the regular season with a playoff sysetm. The BCS bozos are. Regular seasons are indeed NOT playoffs; rather, they are qualifying rounds to see who come out to play in what should be a playoff (just like in basketball).

    However, since the BCS is all that matters now and since they are making the rules and since they have stated clearly over and over and over (ad infinitum) that “we already have a playoff system that is called the regular season” we have to follow their rules. Under their own logic, if the regular season is to be treated as a playoff, then we must look at which teams in our conference stand a chance to get to the BCS title game. There are now 2 — UT & OU. UT beat OU head-to-head. There should now be no question who goes on to the title game if each team wins the rest of their games; yet, now there is. In fact, if both teams win out, the team that lost the head-to-head will go on. That ain’t right.

33. Redfoot said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Do the standings come out during that Fox Special event thing as usual this week?

34. IJustPlainHateTheBCS said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    This all just sucks. Just absolutely sucks.

    Mack needs to put the pedal to the medal vs. aTm and just not take his foot off. Try to win by TRIPLE figures if possible.

    Then go on TV after the game and decry the kind of system that would make a good man do such a thing. Say it’s horrible, and he’s never done that before, but that the voters obviously reward Stoops for that kind of behavior, and that although he personally thinks sportsmanship is important and that defeating a team by two scores on a neutral field SHOULD be enough, other coaches desire this kind of ugly, rub-it-in, egregiously classless system… Tell them that most likely ALL the top teams are going to start playing it this way from now on… Maybe some of those buttwipe SIDs doing the voting will get their necks wrung by coaches of teams that AREN’T elite and would just as soon not have the top teams purposely run up the scores as much as humanly possible.

    or something along those lines… I suspect there’ll be even more venting needed.

35. Redfoot said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Mack’s always been good with the words.
    He’ll have the national stage all to himself, and he’ll get to make out his case for Texas.
    It will probably go a little something like this….
    Hey, out of the three teams, all deserving, we were the only one that didn’t get to play a home game, and we were the only one who didn’t get a chance to rest.
    Imagine if we got a home and a neutral like OU, well, we might have beat Tech at home, and we already beat Oklahoma, obviously OU couldn’t even beat us at neutral location, and they didn’t have to prove it on the road… etc. Tech, well, they got their butts kicked up between their shoulder blades…. etc.

36. RT said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    zizzyballooba,

    I’m not necessary disagreeing with you, but I am curious as to your proposed solution. A national playoff might be susceptible to the same sort of mistakes as our imaginary Big 12 playoff (i.e. Tech as the champion). I think that’s the point I was trying to make.

    I’m not happy with the BCS as it currently stands, but when they compare the main season to a playoff, they are obviously speaking figuratively. As in all games are significant (unlike, for example, the NBA). I’m not saying you have to agree with that.

    I’m fine with a playoff if we keep it small and try to restrict it to conference champions (with some sort of rule for the independents). Whatever it takes to keep the main season from becoming ‘regular.’ But that doesn’t mean college football needs it (as basketball does) or is assured of being better because of it.

37. hopefulhorn said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    FWIW, ESPN’s BCS projection from this morning was:

    1) Bama
    2) Texas
    3) Florida
    4) OU

38. Gene Claude said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    RT, well said.

    College football is the only major sport that is allowed to select its championship game without being a slave to rules that often force a championship game comprised of a team or teams universally recognized as inferior to others. College football uses every available shred of evidence to make the best guess as to who the best two teams are, and then let’s them play.

    I agree that a playoff would be a blast, but it would almost certainly be less accurate at selecting the best team.

39. t1climb1 said:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Gene Claude,

    I don’t disagree with you (did anyone really think the Steelers were the best team in 2006?), but what a playoff would do is eliminate the guessing and inequities inherent in the current system.

    A playoff might not necessarily give prove who the best team is but it gives you the opportunity to play it out and if you are better on that day then you get to go on to the next round. Under the current system a few teams never get that chance.

    Think about the other sports that have playoffs. I don’t hear anyone saying that the Steelers shouldn’t have been crowned the champions or that the Giants should have to give back the trophy. Most would say that they thought the Patriots were a better team but they then add the Giants were better on that night and deserved to be crowned the Champion.

    That’s what a playoff gives you…the opportunity to prove the what if scenarios on the field rather than with a subjective vote.

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