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The bear hug or the face rape? Pick your favorite way to block our DE!

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ATXHornsFan said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Face rape.
I TT ON U said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Your DE hurt himself on that play, his spin move to the right put too much pressure on his knee and it gave out and he fell into Reed’s arms. He couldn’t get off Rylan’s block. He should have gotten off the block before he tried to spin.

Yeah I know, Rylan’s hands were all over him. That’s how the big boys play the game nowadays. I don’t like anyone getting hurt though.

We won fair and square.
Hookah said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 7:55 pm

Yes, yes, it is all so fair, isn’t it?
I guess last year wasn’t, though?

Must suck knowing that the best win in your UT/TAMU-reject-boarding school’s history came as a result of Texas playing like complete shit for an entire half before waking up.
I TT ON U said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:03 pm

39-33 HAVE SOME!…I wouldn’t give a rip if you played like crap all night

are you a little sensative tonight?
LonghornScott said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:10 pm

we can complain about holding all we want… it was there all game. Fact is they weren’t calling it and our olinemen should have played by the way the rule was being called that night. If that was the case, I think the effectiveness of their dline in the pass rush would have been significantly less.
Scipio Tex said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Word
I TT ON U said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:17 pm

They were holding just like tech was.
RichUT said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Great theory, LonghornScott. Just one problem….our guys got called for the one holding penalty called all night. Guess the definition differs for the home and visitor teams.
Stuck in MN said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm

After we beat another team, do any of you guys go over and post senseless shit on their boards? Is this something I’m missing out on that other Texas fans do, or is it just a little brother it only happens once every six years so you have to savor it type thing? Or am I just being too “sensative”?
ATXHornsFan said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:24 pm

I think it may be steven.
ATXHornsFan said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:26 pm

Sorry. That was low.
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:31 pm

Sure TT. You might want to have your vision checked.

I disagree with having our guys start the blatant holding. It will catch up to the teams eventually – probably in a bowl game. What happens when Tech gets to their bowl game with a non-Big XII crew calling the shots?

I understand the sentiment, but I’d like to think that Texas is good enough to win without having to resort to cheating. I know that if our o-line had held, McCoy might not have gotten sacked as much, but then we’d be no better than Tech.

The fact is, our o-line just played like crap for a majority of the game. I don’t think them holding would have ultimately changed their caliber of play that much. Unnecessary risk for an unguaranteed reward.
I TT ON U said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:31 pm

We get our ASS KICKED every year by you guys and now finally, after years of frustration on our part, we have the talent to beat you guys in the trenches and at the skill positions…and that’s what happened!

Last year I watched the game and came home turned on the TV to see Leach bitching about penalties. I WAS EMBERRASSED THAT HE WOULD EVEN DO THAT…AGAIN! I hadn’t even noticed one questionable call during the game. I hate it when people do that!

You have to go out on the field and make plays!!! And this time?! We did!!

aaahhhhhh…there, ahhhh…I feel alot better now
Facebook User said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:37 pm

I think we’re all emberrassed.
I TT ON U said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:44 pm

The vid up there from youtube isn’t the one that osakpo got hurt on, he got hurt on the 25 yard pass down the middle of the field to Crabtree…and yes, I see the block that was questionable on this one

If a tree falls in the forrest and…you know the rest
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:45 pm

So that face mask on the right there was pretty brutal, wasn’t it?

That was also NOT the injury play. I could see how it could get confusing though.
I TT ON U said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:51 pm

ok…check the phantom offensive interference on crabs, then check the punt return which had 2 block in the back

there, we’re even

oh yeah holding on the 3rd play after halftime #71 on brian #57

it’s been fun guys, but gotta go…later
Scipio Tex said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:52 pm

I am emberrassed your all sensative
JP said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm

You certainly spell like a pirate, I TT…
Tim said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:07 pm

TT, I agree completely!! Checked it myself.
Tim said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Graham is the real Heisman candidate
Tim said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:09 pm

McBoy can’t play under pressure.
MTECH said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:13 pm

Did anyone hear about that game in Lubbock Saturday? lol
TexasMcCoy said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:15 pm

Heard that kid from here in Austin verbally committed to Tech today. I this true?
BevoHorn said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 pm

Yea, his name is emory blake…he couldn’t have made our rostr
BevoHorn said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:51 pm

He would have never seen our stadeum at Texas…too slow!
Jeff said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:51 pm

I honestly don’t know how you can control your emotions when you’re getting grabbed by your facemask or bear hugged or taken down from behind repeatedly.

Techies, I know you are all saying (on all the boards) that Texas was holding too. And yet I’ve now seen screen shots and vids posted by Texas fans showing the most egregious bullshit holding on multiple plays, yet I haven’t seen one Techie post a screenshot or a vid of Texas holding.

Are you (ironically) technically illiterate? Or can you just not find one?

I suspect you could quite easily find a hold of the “there’s holding on every play” variety, but look at this shit and show me (don’t tell me) that Texas was doing the same. While the RDE is being grabbed from behind, the LDE is being grabbed by his facemask and dragged away from the QB.

Kudos to the players for keeping their cool. I would have gone for an OL’s knee after the second time I was grabbed by my facemask.
Black Scholes said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 9:56 pm

Enough with Tim and TT. I need a break from this act which has completely polluted the site at this point.

In the ten years or so I’ve been reading the various Texas boards it’s never once occurred to me to go to another team’s site. To go to one and act like a complete dick is really beyond my comprehension.
p said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 11:41 pm

There were even several running plays where guys were clotheslined. 1st and 10 at the 7:30 mark of the first qtr. Check out the rear naked choke being applied to Roy Miller. That is just one of many. Even on the TD pass to the midget AL is getting the Lawrence Taylor treatment. If not for that he gets there before Harrell can let it go. Sometimes you just gotta call it.
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 pm

If I was to make a campaign poster for the ‘08 Texas season, an image that can distill the entire essence of the year into one frame, it would be Orakpo getting clotheslined. That guy might need to wear a hockey goalie mask against Baylor.

Or Kansas. Baylor actually has a really good LT.
John G. said:

November 4th, 2008 at 3:00 am

Someone told me that we were in trouble playing in Lubbock at night. In that scenario, the refs don’t see shit. I guess that person was correct.
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:

November 4th, 2008 at 4:04 am

What really gets me about TT and Tim is how much they continue to prove that most Tech fans are obviously intellectually inferior to Texas fans. You would think they would want to represent their fan base well and at least attempt to not look like fools.
RansomStoddard said:

November 4th, 2008 at 4:12 am

What is irritating is that the holding rule exists at least in part to keep players from getting hurt. If it’s not enforced, both lines lose the protection of the rules. The Big 12 is not calling it so the coaches are teaching it as a technique. And players are getting hurt. Mack needs to grow a pair and demand that the League enforce the rules.
Soldier of Orange said:

November 4th, 2008 at 4:27 am

The refusal of Big 12 officiating crews to enforce the rules of the game has changed the nature of the game. Coaches needn’t bother to establish a running attack in order to protect their quarterback; rather, they need simply to instruct their offensive linemen to employ whatever means are necessary for holding defensive linemen at bay. This accounts for the degenration of Big 12 football into a sophisticated game of side-street football where pass rushers must count to 5 before they cross the line of scrimmage. Scores and passing statistics assume a surreal quality as a result. And you know what? I don’t like it. I don’t like it one bit.
black&red said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:00 am

i tt on u and tim……please leave and go to another board.
ponderos said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:30 am

Mack is submitting questionable calls to the Big 12 league office. Is he going to submit the block in the back on Shipley’s punt return, too?
Kansas Horn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:44 am

Chris.. so glad you posted this shot. This was very early 1st qtr from what I remember and it was crazy how Herbie or the OU homer Musberger didn’t notice Kindle being pulled across by his facemask. From there I had the feeling this may be another long night for our pass rush to have to put up with this crap.

Herbie did point out they were picking on Beasley…. There’s a shock…. Only time that guy should be in is as the human victory cigar when the game is iced. We need Chykie back quick
DrkBgrk said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:53 am

the tech troll confusing that play with another play involving both a clothesline hold and a facemask/holding penalty is just fantastic. can’t blame a kid. they all run together for me too.

we need a montage.
ponderos said:

November 4th, 2008 at 6:02 am

Musberger’s a bandwagon homer, pardner.
Kansas Horn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 6:16 am

He and Switzer have been boys forever, and when you host their awards banquet every yr…. I would say he is an OU homer

I really don’t care who he is a homer for, I just think Musberger needs to go. He’s terrible!
Kansas Horn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 6:20 am

“You are looking live!”…. I’ve heard that one too many times
ponderos said:

November 4th, 2008 at 6:33 am

Switzer’s friends with many people, including Mack.

Musburger swallowed The Major’s choad more than any player I can remember.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:35 am

The Retort has been posted, whiners:

http://www.tortillaretort.com/dedfischer/texas-tech-post-mortem-texas-preparation-meets-opportunity/
Parlin Hall said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:38 am

It’s too long, Ded, so tell me: does Vronsky finally do the right thing by Anna?
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:52 am

Well played. This might be the only time in my life I get to write about beating UT in a game like this, so I had a blast on the details.
dusk till dawn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:52 am

I agree. most ttu fans are completely retarded. They look like complete fools trying to say that we UT fans are whiners, we’re simply saying that if those calls would have gone our way we would have won and that ttu is a bunch of cheaters because the officials weren’t calling holding to our liking. What a bunch of degenerates with inferiority complexes ttu fans must be.
HenryJames said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:56 am

and that ttu is a bunch of cheaters because the officials weren’t calling holding ~~to our liking~~ according to the rule book.

FIFY
Parlin Hall said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:58 am

I did sense that there was real joy in the writing–well done.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:04 am

Thanks, Mason Walters might step foot on campus in the spring and be your best OL. I’ve heard from multiple sources he’s the real deal. Porter is allegedly grossly overrated.
HenryJames said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:06 am

I watched Porter in person last year, and I wasn’t impressed.
Hippie Killer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:12 am

I TT ON U- You are a classy motherfucker aren’t you?

Enjoy your win fucker. You will get your asshole fucked with a sandpaper rubber by Oklahoma and when that happens, will you still be posting on here?
Hippie Killer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:14 am

People need to quit bitching about the holding. Why doesn’t our team stop acting like a bunch of pussies and start holding the faggots we are playing?

If they won’t call it on one team, they probably won’t call it on ours either. ALL FUCKING YEAR!!!!!!!!!
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:22 am

Hippie gets it. I sincerely hope Brian Orakpo is not seriously injured, but the big picture is he’s in the traing room today, while Brandon Williams is cutting up with Dixon in the film room at attempts by UT to block him with a TE.
intellectual type said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:30 am

Technically, Greg Smith is just our 3rd string OT, but who’s counting. The coaches seem to think that they can “teach” hands.
RolloTamasi said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:38 am

“Enjoy your win fucker. You will get your asshole fucked with a sandpaper rubber by Oklahoma and when that happens, will you still be posting on here?”
Most likely, Dedfischer is a regular contributor to here. Unlike some others…
Trips Right said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am

Congrats on the win dedfischer.

My one nit to pick is if Tech was as physically dominant as you say, why did it take y’all 29 minutes and 59 seconds to score your first offensive TD in the second half?

Fact of the matter is y’all had some pretty lucky bounces yourself to escape with a win. The physical domination bullshit damages the credibility of your analysis, in my biased opinion.

That said, great win for you and your program. I’ll be interested to see how your physically superior team performs this weekend. You should be able to just line up and whoop okie state on both lines of scrimmage.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:25 am

“Fact of the matter is y’all had some pretty lucky bounces yourself to escape with a win. The physical domination bullshit damages the credibility of your analysis, in my biased opinion.”

The point of this article, is even though they were holding the shit out of UT, our OL was physically wearing down your DL and it took it’s toll over the course of the game. Meanwhile, the UT OL seemed to take the high road and play with integrity despite getting their ass whipped (which did happen). You’ve got some young DBs that made some good plays in the 2nd half to end drives, but we just weren’t clicking like we usually do at the skill position. And yes, Will Muschamp and the Texas defense deserve some credit. The thing is Trips, by the end of the first half, it was pretty clear, who the underdog was in this game up front. Maybe not to you, but the box score certainly seemed to back that up.
lawdog13 said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am

Enjoy your moment in the sun, dedfischer. I’d be a bit concerned that your overwhelmingly dominant team playing in its biggest game ever was but one dropped infield fly away from losing to a team playing on fumes. We’ll see how your boys handle having the target on their back. I’m predicting they lay an egg this week closely resembling the tird we left behind in Jones Stadium on Saturday night.
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:33 am

Tech needs to beat OSU, because there is literally 0% chance they beat OU. Perhaps even less than 0, somewhere in the neighborhood of -50%.
dusk till dawn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:51 am

OSU is really the biggest game of the year now for Tech. I agree with Chris, we have a slim chance of beating OU (i’d give it a 3.3% chance). I’m scared that our “much improved” defense is going to be exposed by OSU’s balanced offense. I hope I’m wrong, but I seldom am.
dusk till dawn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:51 am

oh, and to answer the first question, I go with face rape every time.
Vasherized said:

November 4th, 2008 at 10:11 am

Tech needs to beat OSU, because there is literally 0% chance they beat OU. Perhaps even less than 0, somewhere in the neighborhood of -50%.

Try running that scenario through Huck’s computer…
Cimarrones said:

November 4th, 2008 at 10:13 am

Tech has a better chance against OU than they do against OSU this year. Gundy is game-planning even better than Leach. And, he’s got some incredible talent there this year.

OU’s defense is not as good as Okie lite this year. And, their offense is only slightly better.

That said, OU will be primed for the Tech game after what happened last year. And, the game is in Norman.

If Tech gets through these games without a loss, I’ll give them props. Chances of that happening are pretty slim, though.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am

Nobody seems to have figured out that the schedule thing plays to Tech’s favor. You’ve all already beat each other up, and then we come out without a scratch and fresh for the next guy by the time we play you. Auston English from OU is expected to be out for our game and he was their best chance of getting to Harrell. I saw the OSU DL against your OL, and then Tech’s against that same unit. They aren’t getting close to Harrell. And if everything you say about your team being beat up is true, then OSU should already be equally beaten up as well. You can ask your players. What they experienced in the trenches on Saturday night was not fun for them.
dick said:

November 4th, 2008 at 10:43 am

OSU has only played Mizzou 4 weeks ago and us 2 weeks ago. Playing the ags and iowa st doesn’t really beat you up.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 10:47 am

Ok, we’re ready. We certainly didn’t get a scratch on our DL personnel against Texas. And no one else has either. I could give you a lot of reasons why Vegas likes Tech in this game, or you could just believe them.
dusk till dawn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am

i would rather believe you ded.
Gene Claude said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am

Nobody is factoring in that Graham Harrell might throw one of these games just not to have to face Missouri and his inevitable touchdown pass to the wrong team again…..
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am

“Nobody seems to have figured out that the schedule thing plays to Tech’s favor. You’ve all already beat each other up, and then we come out without a scratch and fresh for the next guy by the time we play you.”

Believe us, playing a bunch of good teams in a row is not as easy as that. We saw it first hand.
DJ said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:17 am

I didn’t expect the refs to call holding every play, but I felt like if they called it once or twice in the first half it could have completely changed the game. If the Tech OL thinks knows they’re not going to get away with it, they can’t do it as often or as blatantly.

dedfischer – you can talk about how your O-line dominated, but you can’t ignore the fact that our DEs got past your tackles pretty regularly. The fact they HAD to hold doesn’t show me domination, it just shows they were smart enough to know what they could get away with.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:18 am

“Believe us, playing a bunch of good teams in a row is not as easy as that. We saw it first hand.”

I agree Chris and we appear to be the healthiest and most dangerous team on paper. Terry Bowden agrees with me. That doesn’t mean OSU won’t kick our ass, though. I just don’t see it happening given their struggles getting to the QB without blitzing.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:20 am

“…it just shows they were smart enough to know what they could get away with.”

Which is the root of all your offensive problems. That shit starts showing up in blitz pickups and the running game too. Your offensive line has the talent to be nasty, but they tend to pussy foot with the opponent for the most part. They got pushed around worse than the Aggies by our DL.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am

I guess what I’m trying to say, is that I just don’t trust your OL, if sent to play an SEC front. Alabama, Florida and possibly LSU would kick the shit out of your OL and I’m not sure I’m willing to put my money on them as a representative of this conference. Maybe you’ll disagree, but I’m rolling with the guys who at least have a plan when they get punched in the mouth.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:26 am

There’s not THAT much wrong with your DL, it’s just they started quitting in the 2nd quarter as we adjusted to your speed. Tech then started to move the ball via land and air. They’ve definitely got a shitload of talent, but you guys had people half assing out there and maybe you’ve played a tougher schedule, but I think Darrell Royal would agree with me that I have my reservations about them when things get tough in January. They seem to be a knockout artist type of defense, and if you can survive the early on-slaught, you can out last him. Or, at least, that’s how it appeared from the stands.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am

I think Bill Little appropriately called it “The Surge” and I felt that shit in the second half as yall were creeping back into the game.
Vasherized said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am

Ded,

You’re pretending like this was just any other game when it was really the most important event ever in the city of Lubbock. Your guys were jacked out of their minds while we were pretty tired and beat up coming off a very physical OSU game. You’ll find out soon enough.

Our DL didn’t quit in the 2nd quarter, they were fucking gassed from being on the field for 40+ plays. How is that not totally obvious? Spare me the quitting theories … Roy Miller absolutely owned Hamby and whoever else tried to block him for the first 25 plays. Unfortunately our offense sucked ass and we couldn’t get our D off the field.

Pretty simple.
Trips Right said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am

ded, you’re acting like a clown. Seriously, if you dominated and wore down Texas’ DL as you say, then why no offensive TD until the last play of the second half? Our secondary played like dogshit and was missing its best player. If not for the front seven, then who the hell stopped the physical juggernaut that is the Texas Tech offense. Were your players just slipping on tortillas?
kevwun said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am

Let him keep believing Tech is ‘95 Nebraska reincarnated. The fall will be that much funnier.
Hippie Killer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am

I can’t believe we let that fucking homo with the face paint work our DL over.
So I hooks a left on the 2-1 and Lewis said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am

Hippie talks as if he was actually on the field getting worked over by that homo.

Sorry you got worked over by that homo, Hippie.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:55 am

“Our DL didn’t quit in the 2nd quarter, they were fucking gassed from being on the field for 40+ plays.”

1:50 mark of the first quarter for Lamarr Houston and 0:32 mark for Roy Miller, although Miller’s ears could have been ringing.

And, I’ve said your DL wasn’t the problem in this game, it’s just they had opportunities to finish plays that were very close and could have helped your team, if they wouldn’t have only started stepping on the gas after they realized they had a chance. If I’m going overboard and offending you, I’ll back off at any time in the sake of keeping this a gentleman’s argument.

This guy agrees with me and knows a little bit about football. I don’t mean to pick on you.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=871954&PT=4&PR=2
Kansas Horn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am

I agree with Vasherized. We just got gased from being out there for too long….
And if we gave up after first half like you keep mentioning, then why did you guys only get one touchdown on offense in the 2nd half
Kansas Horn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Trips beat me to the punch on the last post…. This damn work thing keeps getting in the way
Phenomenal Smith said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

During the second half of the TT/UT game I likened it to the OU/TT game last year. In that game, it seemed to me that TT got their lead and just hoped and prayed they wouldn’t lose it. They were able to hold off a Bradford-less OU team. UT caught TT, but then TT surprised me with the sack to get down the field and win the game. Props to Harrell – I really didn’t think he had it in him.
RRR said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

I’m with Vasherized to an extent. I was celebrating all the snaps we got in the first half. I felt going in that I hadn’t seen UT sub their DLine much, and all the first half snaps would tire them out.

Problem was, Britton drops a TD and we don’t execute on another drive. To play so well and only be up 22-6, that sucked, especially knowing Colt’s a tough bastard and came back in 2006.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

Because that locker room scene couldn’t have been pretty with Muschamp in there. Those dudes are still all good players and everyone of them was capable of beating the man in front of them outside of Kindle, but there’s no shame in that as the dude across from him is flat out nasty. I thought he did a good job of continuing to bounce back after getting punched in the face a few times. He kept coming anyway, which I admired. Kindle’s a tough hombre as is Orakpo. Miller had the biggest physical advantage and could have done a lot more damage than what he did outside the first couple of series had he been coming that hard the whole game.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

And if you’re complaining about being “gassed” in the 2nd quarter playing one way, then you guys need to look at firing your S&C coach.
Vasherized said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Ded,

You’re not offending anyone, it’s pretty hard to do that here given some of the company that frequents this site.

I just happen to disagree as do most of the other UT fans here that watched the game.

Greg Davis put this team behind the 8 ball from play 1 and it cascaded from there. The fact we clawed back and nearly won the game doesn’t exactly resonate with “giving up”.

Dead horses must be kicked.
Phenomenal Smith said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

I wondered if Mike Leach didn’t pull a page out of Marv Levy’s halftime speech book and mumble:

“Ok, boys, go out there and rest on your laurels.”
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

I thought Colt McCoy was the sole reason you guys fought back in this game and he is one tough son of a bitch to be playing QB in this league behind that OL. I didn’t think he was going to get up a couple of times, but he did and it proved to be inspiration for the rest of your team. It just felt like Tech was the more dominant team throughout the game and UT was living on big plays with great skill players to keep them hanging around. Maybe that’s not what happened, but it sure looked that way in Lubbock to me. Let me ask you this, I feel pretty good that we would have hung around in the game, if Harrell were to get knocked out, given the way our line was playing. How do you think UT would have done, if McCoy hadn’t got up, and Chiles had to lead your team? Better? Worse?
ATXHornsFan said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Thank you Vasherized. That is exactly the right point: they never gave up. GD spotted Tech points, and we played from behind the whole way.

A team that quit or gave up doesn’t fight their way back to a lead with 1:29 left in the game. No, that is a team with heart and grit and desire. Losing sucks, but not nearly as bad as losing when the team quits (55-7).

Congratulations on the win ded.

Hook Em.
BevoHorn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Vash—you got outplayed and everybody saw it on national tv
You were beaten in the trenches and by our skill players as well
DJ said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

” I guess what I’m trying to say, is that I just don’t trust your OL, if sent to play an SEC front. Alabama, Florida and possibly LSU would kick the shit out of your OL and I’m not sure I’m willing to put my money on them as a representative of this conference. Maybe you’ll disagree, but I’m rolling with the guys who at least have a plan when they get punched in the mouth.”
Really? How do you think your OL will perform against an SEC DL when a non-Big XII officiating crew calls holding a handful of times in the first quarter? Will they suddenly learn how to actually block? My guess is they get smoked as Harrell runs for his life. (See OU the last few years) Our guys at least know how to block when the rules are being followed.
HenryJames said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

Vash—you got outplayed and everybody saw it on national tv
You were beaten in the trenches and by our skill players as well

Nice alias, Tim.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

“Really? How do you think your OL will perform against an SEC DL when a non-Big XII officiating crew calls holding a handful of times in the first quarter? Will they suddenly learn how to actually block? My guess is they get smoked as Harrell runs for his life. (See OU the last few years) Our guys at least know how to block when the rules are being followed.”

I don’t know, DJ, but from what I saw they would have a better chance of figuring something out than your unit. OL isn’t always about who is the best player. Sometimes it’s about being smarter and improvising because a lot of times the guy across from you is just better. Yet, you must find a way to keep him from destroying everything you do offensively.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

Btw, I’m not asking you guy to admit to anything. I just keep answering your objections to my opinion.
DJ said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

“I thought Colt McCoy was the sole reason you guys fought back in this game and he is one tough son of a bitch to be playing QB in this league behind that OL. He didn’t think he was going to get up a couple of times, but he did and it proved to be inspiration for the rest of your team. It just felt like Tech was the more dominant team throughout the game and UT was living on big plays with great skill players to keep them hanging around. Maybe that’s not what happened, but it sure looked that way in Lubbock to me.”

You have yet to come up with a rebuttal to the point that has been made several times. Yes Colt brought us back, but our defense also held the unstoppable Tech offense with its awesome OL to 6 points over a stretch of 39:38 from the Elf’s TD to the last play of the game. How do you explain that while arguing that your OL dominated our DL throughout the game?
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

“How do you explain that while arguing that your OL dominated our DL throughout the game?”

Dude, you aren’t listening to me.
CapnLeach said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Austin English out for next two games?
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

100!
CapnLeach said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

I hope not, cause I think we can beat them with Austin
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

I’m not buying it, but that’s what has been floating around. I’ll deal with that when we get there. For now, it’s time to deal with OSU as their OL will present a stiff challenge when punched in the mouth. I’ve had my ass kicked too in a football game and I know what it looks like on film when I see it.
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

“And, I’ve said your DL wasn’t the problem in this game, it’s just they had opportunities to finish plays that were very close and could have helped your team, if they wouldn’t have only started stepping on the gas after they realized they had a chance. If I’m going overboard and offending you, I’ll back off at any time in the sake of keeping this a gentleman’s argument.”

Have you lost your mind? How much has do you think they had after playing for a quarter and a half, almost non-stop?

Our defense plays hard against everyone. They have since Arkansas. They were out of gas.
CapnLeach said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

It’s sweeter to beat a healthy team
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Then, you need to fire Mad Dog, if you want to play this kind of football. Believe me, they’ll be accustomed to staying on the field, if the OL can’t do a better job of adjusting to a higher level of opponent. It used to happen to us all the time and then you would come tell us how bad you dominated us and we got lucky. And you were right. But, that wasn’t the case this year.
dusk till dawn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

am i still the only one that chuckles every time they see “which was worse? the bear hug or the face rape?” seriously gets me every time.
utstudboy said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

dedfisher = dedbrain
Texan Alex said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

“I guess what I’m trying to say, is that I just don’t trust your OL, if sent to play an SEC front. Alabama, Florida and possibly LSU would kick the shit out of your OL and I’m not sure I’m willing to put my money on them as a representative of this conference.”

Agreed, Ded. I remember reading a Statesman story comparing this year’s OL to Scot, Studdard, Sendlein, Allen, and Blalock. I enjoyed a hearty chuckle after reinserting my monocle and wiping the Earl Grey off my monitor.

The great thing about the 2005 season is I began every game super-confident because even if VY and crew had an off game I absolutely KNEW that our OL could kick ANYONE’S ass. Has anyone ever had that feeling this year? Because I haven’t. I’ve been nervous even when our offense was clicking I had this nagging feeling that our OL wasn’t championship caliber. Watching our OL get out-efforted (hold up, did I just use a Mack Brown-invented word?) in Lubbock seems to confirm my fears. Granted no offensive line with Kasey Studdard can ever be equaled in intensity. Dude would drink the blood of a 1,000 kittens if it meant a win. In fact, I’m not convinced he didn’t.

Ded, I’m worried for your team against OSU. A wise man once said, “Alright boys let’s not start sucking each others dicks just yet.” Alas I believe Texas Tech University will be engaged in self-fellatio for many years to come.
Trips Right said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

“Then, you need to fire Mad Dog, if you want to play this kind of football. Believe me, they’ll be accustomed to staying on the field, if the OL can’t do a better job of adjusting to a higher level of opponent. It used to happen to us all the time and then you would come tell us how bad you dominated us and we got lucky. And you were right. But, that wasn’t the case this year”

A higher level of opponent like say, ou, osu, and mizzou? Dude, your team came away with a win in a terrific college football game. But they won the goddamn thing on what amounts to a two play series of outcomes that was probably 10 to 1. Shelve the domination/physicallity condescending bullshit for aggie.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Maybe so, but try running a quasi-spread without the appropriate OL personnel and Colt McCoy against SEC teams. It sucks, but that by no means, makes you any less than the number #4 or #5 team in the country, effectively rendering this conversation as semanticly pointless. However, I’m just telling you that if you make it to play Florida or USC or somebody over us, I’ll be rooting for you, but that’s how you’ll get beat, if you do. We’ve all got holes in our team, I just think we’ve got the fewest as of 11/4/08.
CapnLeach said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Yeah, it’s funny how they have focused on a few plays of the game and said it happened every play. I don’t like it when Tech fans do the same.

This is the first time I’ve seen Texas do it though. Not sayin they are better fans than us, but when a team loses there are always going to be fans whining about nothing.
RRR said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

dedfischer=fighting off the gangbang
Cimarrones said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

Ded,

I’ll give Tech credit for the win. But, winning on a last second play isn’t exactly the ass-kicking that some Tech fans make it out to be. We’ve done it before and felt lucky to get the W.

I guess given that this was the biggest game in Tech’s history, I can understand the hyperbole by most of your fan base.

That’s all.
dusk till dawn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

DJ – in between Morris’ touchdown and the :01 crab TD the drive chart goes like this for TT:

fumble
field goal
punt (shipley TD)
punt
personal foul makes it 1st and 21. punt(Swindall drops a pass that hits him in the hands on 3rd and 4)
blocked FG
field goal
Crab’s TD

just so you know. UT almost pulled off the upset in this one. they had the chances.
dusk till dawn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

utstudboy = such a heterosexual name
CapnLeach said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

These hornytoads are blind.

They think it’s still 2005.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

One question I have that I kept asking myself after the game is, did you think Tech would ever outrush UT in this game? I certainly didn’t. I mean seriously, even Kansas outrushed Tech.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

I’m not saying you’re Kansas either, so don’t try to play that angle. You should all know better than that.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

I guess I’m just over-elated because I thought UT would have the best trench personnel combo we faced for the rest of the season, and we damn sure proved we can line up and play with you, if you are the best. Are you?
dick said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

It’s a little odd to pretend that this isn’t 2002 all over again. A highly ranked Texas team goes to Lubbock, some flukey shit happens and tech comes out of it with a close loss. The only difference this year is that we beat OU and yall haven’t played the games yall are supposed to lose yet. If tech had played OU and OSU already (or Mizzou), then we wouldn’t be able to differentiate this Tech win from the 2002 Tech win, besides the more dramatic nature.
dick said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

I meant Tech with a close win
Massive Horn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

What a smug fucking bastard. I hope you’re as cocky at the end of the year as you are right now.
Massive Horn said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

Directed at dedfischer. Obviously.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

“What a smug fucking bastard.”

Damn, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to go Tim on you. I’ve over-covered the subject and ready to move on. Good point, Massive.
kevwun said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

It’s perfectly acceptable to be an arrogant ass about the win, just do it on tech boards.
Black Scholes said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

Too late. You are ded to me.
Art Vandelay said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

“I guess I’m just over-elated”

Ded – I would suggest just leaving it at that. Fishing for compliments and validation on this board this week isn’t time well spent.

For the 500th time…. congrats on the win. Check back with us in a few weeks.
RRR said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

We weren’t so smug or cocky after the Nebraska game. We were wringing our hands thinking we still had a Lyle Setencich defense that tackled a little better and had maybe two more play makers.

But something happened at halftime in College Station. And maybe OSU or OU will put us in our place, but it’s feels good to go into a game knowing you can at least stand there and trade punches with the big boys.
CapnLeach said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

me too, I hope I’m cocky at the end of the year

easily offended there little horn, don’t ya think…can’t communicate without spewing all over yourself?
Tim's Bleeding Vagina said:

November 4th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

jesus christ tech fans are more ignorant and myopic than aggy. ded wants so badly to be considered one of the post-game-analysis gurus that he thinks saying the same thing over and over will eventually make it true.
MTECH said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

I love to read ded’s analysis and I’ve noticed that you guys do too.

I could care less what you say in all of your frustration over being #1, and getting your hearts BROKEN, on the LAST PLAY OF THE GAME,by one of your in-state RIVALS, with NATIONAL TITLE hopes on the line.
Mysterious Package said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

Ah F it! We sound like Aggies. Fact is we played like kaka. F the holding, we didn’t deserve to win that game. I know we only lost by 6 and almost won but I felt like we were getting our assess kicked all game. I dont know but they played better end of story. Greg better pull his head out because he is the reason we layed an egg.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

“jesus christ tech fans are more ignorant and myopic than aggy. ded wants so badly to be considered one of the post-game-analysis gurus that he thinks saying the same thing over and over will eventually make it true.”

I guess there’s maybe some truth in that to. I have a bad habit of not being able to stop talking, if someone he is still conversing with me. Obviously, that is what’s going on here. And that’s what separates the rest of us from the Aggies, but there’s also some irony in here somewhere.
kriess said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Dont flatter yourself MTECH. We want to win every game so dont get me wrong, but “in state rivals”? No we have one “in state rival” and thats a “rivalry” because we have to eat Thanksgiving Dinner with them. We all have an aggie in the family. Its a love/hate/respect type of thing. When Tech starts to challenge us ona regular basis like the Ags did in the 80’s and 90’s…then we’ll call you a rival. We at UT have just one TRUE rival, and thats the land theives up North.

So Congrats on a GREAT win for your program, you certainly deserved it, but you have a LONG way to go to become one of our TRUE rivals.
p said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

dedfischer……..

You can’t be serious man!! You guys played the number 2 team in the nation at getting to the quarterback and you are now trying to disrespect our defensive line. Give me a break! Most of us here at the very least give Tech respect. That would be like us saying you guys have a terrible offense.

Texas Tech is a solid football team, but there is no doubt that we played the worst half of football we have played all year. You played better defense, but not that much better. Our guys were wide open in the first half, we just missed them. I know you saw it too. It looked a lot like K-state last year, the difference being we got our act together at halftime. All that being said Texas has held every team they played well below their average. The idea that we don’t play any defense is a joke.

There is a lot of season left. We will see what happens the rest of the way.
ATXHornsFan said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

This thread seems to be alternating between bear hugs and face rapes.
exuLt said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

I’m reminded of the mayfly whose adult lifespan is about a couple of hours before returning to oblivion. I guess if I had that kind of window to embrace the sun I’d be giddy to the point of delusional, too.

Blog away, deude.
Doperbo said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Reminds me of the blind men describing an elephant, contextual perception and all that, and it’s unlikely that either side is going to veer too much from what they ’saw’. I can understand the excitement on ded’s part as well, given the circumstances. A massive lack of execution on one side is perceived as dominance by another. I disagree of course, but I understand the take.

BTW- I do take some issue with the whiner label, only in that a lot of us have been legitimately confused by the holding thing and brought it up numerous places after games we won, OU for example. Congratulating Tech on the win and wondering what the hell is going on in the Big 12 officiating regarding Oline play isn’t mutually exclusive, at least not for me.
p said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

“I’m reminded of the mayfly whose adult lifespan is about a couple of hours before returning to oblivion.”-exuLt

That is about how I see it too.

“A massive lack of execution on one side is perceived as dominance by another. I disagree of course, but I understand the take.”-Doperbo

Watching us drop pass after pass can have that affect on people. Now if Tech was batting those down I would give them credit. The second half is a closer representative of Texas Football.
Hippie Killer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

Hi!
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Geez, dude.
MTECH said:

November 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

Perfect example of a tu fan…dead on!
RolloTamasi said:

November 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

(trying to ignore HK’s psychotic rant)…
Chris do you not think OSU’s running game will give Tech trouble? You said OU beats them for sure, but I’ve been more confident that OSU is the tougher matchup for them. Tech doesn’t have guys to line up against Bryant without leaving them vulnerable, as we were, to their running game and Pettigrew.
OU seems vulnerable to Tech in that they’ve sucked without Reynolds and their DB’s can’t match up with Crabtree and crew even as well as young Curtis Brown.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

I agree with you Rollo. I think OSU you and that mauling OL will be much tougher than OU for Tech. Nebraska actually had the best OL we’ve played this season, which allowed them to move the ball on the most consistent basis.

“This is the deal with our OL every year. They play like a bunch of faggots. So all year the refs have not called holding. Why the fuck aren’t we form tackling their DL every fucking play? We need to be able to play dirty when it’s time to play dirty.”

Hippie, I’m not sure about past years, but that seemed to be the case in this game and I share your sentiment.
Facebook User said:

November 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

I’ve edited Hippie’s comment a bit. While personal attacks are often warranted and even encouraged, they need to be executed with aplomb and wit. A bon mot, a rejoinder, etc. They can not make me nauseous by involving anal carnage.

Only HenryJames likes that. His email is HenryJames AT barkingcarnival DOT COM.
Parlin Hall said:

November 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

“Only HenryJames likes that.”

Spitting out my cheerios laughing.
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

I am very impressed with the number of comments on this blog. Congrats, Chris!

ded, I’ve always thought you classy and able to rationally judge a football game. I got through the first paragraph of your analysis at Tortilla and just closed the window. It was that bad.

I understand your happiness at winning this game, but UT played like crap for a majority of it. To say we were “physically dominated” is an egregious error.

As far as the holding goes, I think it is going to cause Tech problems in the long run, particularly in a bowl game, as I and several others have mentioned (Well, I think I may have mentioned it on a different board. Whatever). Yes, an o-line can make adjustments in the game to their playing style, but I’m not so sure this is one that can be made on the spur of the moment. This is a habit that is being more ingrained into them every time they get away with it. It won’t magically disappear during a bowl game. Sure, it will stop for a few plays after they get called for it, but when the going gets tough again, they will go right back to it.

Old habits die hard, especially in pressure situations. You can rely on “nastiness” now, but when this comes back to bite Tech in the ass, don’t say we didn’t warn you.

And I’d better not hear any bitching about holding from Tech fans after y’all play ou. I’d be surprised if y’all got anywhere near Bradford during that game.
bighornfan32 said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Hey dedfischer dont apologize for sticking up for your team. They definitely played well enough to win, and even with some rather egregious holding non-calls, I think that your lines on both sides of the ball are very good. I just think you are going over the top in your assessment of how much better y’all played.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

“As far as the holding goes, I think it is going to cause Tech problems in the long run, particularly in a bowl game, as I and several others have mentioned (Well, I think I may have mentioned it on a different board. Whatever). Yes, an o-line can make adjustments in the game to their playing style, but I’m not so sure this is one that can be made on the spur of the moment. This is a habit that is being more ingrained into them every time they get away with it. It won’t magically disappear during a bowl game. Sure, it will stop for a few plays after they get called for it, but when the going gets tough again, they will go right back to it.”

I understand this viewpoint and respect it, I just don’t tend to agree with that mentality of thinking in my OL players themselves. I want them to fight and hold, if they have to. If you’re not getting called for it, then you’re not abusing the rules enough in a physical contest like this.

“I just think you are going over the top in your assessment of how much better y’all played.”

Probably so, but people told me UT was the #1 team in the country before this game and I believed them. Big plays are the only thing that kept UT in this game.
Vasherized said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

This thread is too close to call.
Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog said:

November 4th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

Even #1 teams have off games, ded. Especially after having played the schedule we did.

You could also argue that, despite playing like crap, UT still was good enough to hang with, and almost beat Tech. If Tech was as good as you claim, they should have taken advantage of their huge lead and put Texas away in the second half. But they couldn’t.
p said:

November 4th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

” Big plays are the only thing that kept UT in this game.”-Dedfischer

That may be true, but I didn’t see Tech deflecting passes, hitting guys who caught balls, and causing them to drop them. What I did see is Collins dropping wide open passes, including one that he tried to spin to a wide open field before securing the ball. I saw Ship drop a wide open deep ball that was a sure TD.

Tech played solid, but to say your defense was the reason we couldn’t move the ball in the first half…………………..???

It may have been part of the reason, but we all watched the game.
Willy Lump Lump said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

holy shit this website has arrived.
Lewis said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

So, was it an upset?

I tend to believe somebody like Terry Bowden, who actually coached an undefeated team. I don’t know, maybe one of you is actually Tom Osborne.
Callkevin said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

ded, enjoy your win–but please stop looking at small moments or issues and enlarging them. For example, you discuss outgaining Texas rushing–but we’re talking about 80 yards for Texas vs 105 for Tech–is that truly meaningful to you? Hang your hat on the 31 first downs to 18, or the 37 minute TOP vs 23, or 8/16 3rd downs vs 4/12–but 25 rushing yards over the course of a game?

You won. Congratulations. Our OC brain-cramped, we lost a few top players in the game, and we demonstrated crappy time-management skills at the end.

Enjoy the gauntlet you started with us, while we try to recover enough not to lose any more face to a surprisingly scrappy (and not surprisingly, well-coached, Baylor team).

Can you imagine, if we had won…if Crabtree had been tackled in-bounds at the 5…what your opinion might be of UT fans who chose to come to your Tech site and discuss our “dominance” ad nauseum? You’re playing into a stereotype that Tim and his ilk live up to, and you’re flat-out better than that. Share this moment with your friends, not the folks who just watched an amazing season change into “just” a great season.

Thanks.
dedfischer said:

November 4th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

Maybe you’re right callkevin, but being there in person, it sure didn’t feel that way from about mid-first quarter to the end of the 3rd quarter. I may be completely wrong. I have been before like thinking UT would be able to run the ball on us just like you did. I’ve haven’t picked on Texas anymore than I’ve picked on Tech or any other school, and have maintained with what I saw happen in a game. There’s things that happen in a football game that are just hard to explain without witnessing in person, but I bet Texas had more guys in the training room after this game and I don’t think you guys had played a DL that would hit you in the mouth and you’re OL folded up like a cheap tent. That may be irrational of me and you guys just had a bad night on the OL.
Trips Right said:

November 4th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

Shit ded, you guys can beat the Bengals. If you’re as good as you say you should be up on Okie State 35-3 at half.
Texoz said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Bear Hug or Face Rape? I think I also saw a Rusty Trombone and a Dirty Sanchez in there as well.
t1climb1 said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Ded, I really like you commentary and analysis and you have my respect. I would however like to propose something to you and ask you to consider this:

“…Or, at least, that’s how it appeared from the stands.”

“Maybe that’s not what happened, but it sure looked that way in Lubbock to me.”

“…but being there in person, it sure didn’t feel that way from about mid-first quarter to the end of the 3rd quarter”

These are all quotes from some of your previous posts. Now I know what this atmosphere must have been like for you. I was in the stands at the UT/OU game this year going absolutely apeshit and objectivity is a hard thing to maintain in such an environment. It seems you are nearly acknowledging as much with these qualifying statements to your analysis.

Here’s what I want you to consider. Re-think, objectively, your assertion that the tech DL “dominated” our OL. Williams got his 2 sacks because our mental giant of an OC decided to isolate our 3rd string OT on him by lining him up at TE. On the safety, that same mental giant not only called a play that handed the ball to Chris O 5 yards deep in our endzone against a defensive front that was higher than Robert Downey Jr. at the Viper room, but we also asked them to reach block said DL (not something we do at all let alone well). By the same token I would not attempt to assert that our OL dominated the LOS either. I thought overall protection was good once the game settled down and when our kids weren’t being asked to play a game foreign to them.

Also, I would say that I respectfully disagree with your assessment of our DL. You simply cannot be so dismissive of the fact that they were on the field for 12+ minutes in the first quarter and more than 40 plays in the first half and call out their conditioning. Really!? That’s on our offense and the many miscues from the coaching staff and the kids (not) executing that led to them constantly being on the field. I don’t care how good you are or how well conditioned you are as an athlete if you are never allowed to get off the field you are going to show signs of that. Your assessment of our conditioning doesn’t hold up either given how the D held up in the second half after a rest, and when our offense actually started moving the ball a bit which kept them off the field more.

Other than that, I understand you are going to see things viewed through a black and red prism while I will see them through a burnt orange one and that is fine. I do think however you are a very smart man and certainly capable of watching a game with a critical and objective eye which is why the takes above puzzled me somewhat. Remove yourself from the emotions you were riding in the stands and see if you still feel this way. That’s all I’m saying.

You do have a damn good team and congrats on the win. It’s a defining one for you and guess what….you have another one this week!!!! Have fun!
Cimarrones said:

November 4th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Ded,

We get it. You’ve never been there before. You had multiple orgasms. That’s awesome, dude.

Can someone please do a post count on Ded this week and then compare it to the week after the pirates lose a game in the gauntlet?

And then do another comparison when they “do” the usual Tech fall into two (plus or minus) conference losses.

How does it feel, Ded? ;>)
MTECH said:

November 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

Texoz, they call it–the trenches–for a reason….These guys aren’t recruited to play patty-cake in there.

Have you watched the Cowboys play lately? They aren’t nasty, they aren’t mean on the offensive line…that’s why they have Romo riding the pine and have lost 4 or out of five games. You have to get to the point where your mind is made up>>>THIS GUY WILL NOT BEAT ME!! If I have to slap high, low,or even hold occasionally I will. I would put my elbow in the guys ribs on a double team, or whatever I have to do to get this guy thinking about me instead of Romo or Graham.

And no, I’m not talking about injuring anyone.

When you have two teams in a game that are very close in talent, this stuff goes on a whole lot more.
TaylorTRoom said:

November 5th, 2008 at 4:20 am

I was confused about where dedfischer was coming from. Why put down Texas as soft and weak? Doesn’t it denigrate Tech’s narrow win if you think Texas wasn’t that great?

I get it now. He wants to believe that Tech is significantly tougher than Texas because he’s trying to believe they can run the table vs. OSU, OU, Mizzou, and Penn State. Believing Tech is the toughest D-1A team on the lines helps him think that.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 5:59 am

You’re exactly right, Taylor. I think we’ve got the best shot at running the table given we get OSU at home, and OU without Auston English and a struggling secondary on the road. I may be wrong, though.
Dr.Venkman said:

November 5th, 2008 at 5:59 am

Look, fellas, convincing ded that they didn’t dominate, even if your successful, isn’t going to bring crabtree down before he crosses that goal line.

Likewise, ded (and diverse other “guests”, thanks for your exhaustive analysis of the dominance of the tech program.

I, for one, welcome our new red mustachioed overlords.

CallKevin has it right when he says “We’ve just watched an amazing season turn into a great season.”

It’s Wednesday, and, I’m ready to let go of this one and move on. The remaining slate of games should allow the team to recover some of the magic they lost and retain a strong position among the top 5 BCS teams.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:02 am

“How does it feel, Ded? ;>)”

Fucking awesome, man. And, I think we are a particularly good team that matches up across the board pretty well with any team presented. OSU may prove me wrong, and if they do, I’ll damn sure write about it and eat any crow that’s deserved.
Cimarrones said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:06 am

And, I’m sure that you know we’ll be here with heaping plates of the crow for you – so that you don’t go hungry.

Enjoy it while you can.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:15 am

I’ll be right here taking the same beating I have for the last 30 years. I’m perfectly numb to beatings.
kevwun said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:30 am

I still expect 150 posts from you next week if tech loses.
ChrisApplewhite said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:30 am

“You’re exactly right, Taylor. I think we’ve got the best shot at running the table given we get OSU at home, and OU without Auston English and a struggling secondary on the road. I may be wrong, though.”

English isn’t the reason you’re going to get pounded.
dick said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:36 am

Someone please just start another one with a preview of Baylor.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:45 am

“English isn’t the reason you’re going to get pounded.”

I am extremely concerned about McCoy and Granger, but for some reason, we seemed to match up with them well last year with the same personnel. I don’t think either one of them are as good as Roy Miller. Of course, the assumption here is that all players improved at the same rate of progress in the offseason, which may not be the case. I can’t even remember if those guys played in the game last year, but my logic is based on that UT’s OL was able to operate effectively against them. We should be able too as well.
Kansas Horn said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:46 am

Agreed. Take down the pic of Crabtree and post something on Baylor
p said:

November 5th, 2008 at 6:48 am

ded………

I think he may be referring to the other side of the ball. How do you handle their offense??
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 7:16 am

p,

I’m not sure. But, the only trend I can figure out in this conference is that it’s a race to the QB. Whichever, team can get the most pressure on the QB in the Big 12 over the course of a game without blitzing, comes out on top. There’s two teams in this league right now that have been doing a good job of it, Texas and Tech, and coincidentally they happen to have beaten everyone on their schedules outside of each other. I think we can get to Bradford a little more often than they get to Harrell. I’ve given up on predicting the consistency of skill players. I just try to count the ones on my team, who I know will show up, and given the guys up front are winning their battle, you only need 3 or 4 guys. Or that’s my best guess anyway.
Tim's Bleeding Vagina said:

November 5th, 2008 at 7:16 am

there isn’t enough crow in the world for ded at this point. this is the worst case of myopia i have ever seen.

review the post-game analysis of the texas-ou game from all of the texas bloggers, and then read ded’s review of the texas-tech game. it’s night and day.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 7:22 am

Sorry man, I write with a passion.
Vasherized said:

November 5th, 2008 at 7:40 am

OU is very hard to beat in Norman.

56-2 under Stoops.

It’s not necessarily the crowd factor as much as they execute that offense like their kickbacks/supplements/free cars depended on it and Jerry Schmidt is a “master motivator”.

Whether these historical facts will be enough to surmount the Douglas MacArthuresque surge of the Tech offensive line remains to be seen.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 7:59 am

I know Vasher, and I haven’t quite made up my mind on how good OU is. I think basing their performance against you might be a little inaccurate as OU has played a lot of football since then and could improve. I’m not real good about factoring intangibles into my scorecard and it’s probably the biggest flaw in how I predict scores. The things I know about the OU/Tech matchup at this point:

- We need to play them 4-4 in the trenches to have an opportunity to win the game given it’s in Norman. I’ll usually favor the home team in that case.

- If Tech has one advantage in this league, it’s since they can score so quickly, they only need to play your OL even given our OL wins a 3-1 advantage like they typically do except against Texas, the only DL that’s given us significant problems. 50-50, that’s all we need.

- Since I don’t think the OU DL is as good as Texas, I think we’ll win that battle 3-1 given we played UT even.

- OU brought the same OL to Lubbock last year, and our DL played them to an even match without McKinner Dixon, Duncan at MLB and Whitlock with a year in the weight room. I think we’ve improved at a more rapid pace than them over the last year through the method of increased talent. Keep in mind, we were rolling with Jake Ratliff and Paul Williams last year. Given that, I think we might have a chance of playing them even on the road, and so long as our OL, wins a 3-1 victory, we’ve got a pretty good shot at beating them in Norman.

- Theory is one thing, execution is another.
Vasherized said:

November 5th, 2008 at 8:07 am

Sorry man, I write with a passion.

Better yet …

My language is the common prostitute that I turn into a virgin. ~ Karl Kraus
Trips Right said:

November 5th, 2008 at 8:14 am

Please, make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darklust said:

November 5th, 2008 at 8:14 am

Dedfisher, in your analysis you point out that you held and you cheated to win. How can you preach dominance and yet you know for a fact that your team had to cheat to win. Your error in the analysis is that you showed you can’t judge this correctly at all. Saying that your team was smarter or whatever about making sure they didn’t get called for holding doesn’t mean you didn’t cheat. It just means you play in a conference where cheaters prosper and you’re prospering by doing the only thing you could. Grats, but don’t be so happy about a game you won by not having played fairly.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 8:17 am

You’ve got a point. Why are you still reading this, Trips? I thought I lost you a long time ago. If people will quit asking questions, I’ll stop answering them. Tell them to quit.
HenryJames said:

November 5th, 2008 at 8:20 am

- Tech’s defense caused Sam Bradford to play so terribly that Bob Stoops yanked him in favor of Joey Halzle.

At least that’s how dedfischer remembers it.
Trips Right said:

November 5th, 2008 at 8:31 am

It’s like a motorcycle accident. Spleen, entrails, and livers strewn all over the highway, but I can’t take my eyes off it.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 8:33 am

“At least that’s how dedfischer remembers it.”

Come on, HJ, I’m taking a self-inflicted beating here, but I’ve tried to hang in there as best I could. I can’t backpedal at this point.
Vasherized said:

November 5th, 2008 at 9:45 am

Dedfischer apparently quit his job after the Tech game …

Are we at 200 yet?
Steven's Bastard Child said:

November 5th, 2008 at 10:09 am

ded’s problem, I think, is that he’s taking the UT-Tech game in isolation and using it as evidence to support his biased caricature of each team. If Tech’s so damn dominant, then how do you explain the Nebraska game (a team Mizzou beat 52-17)? Or the fact that Tech was losing to aTm at halftime? Or that Eastern Wash. put 24 points on them?

Conversely, if UT’s so overrated, then how do you explain the OU, Mizzou, and OSU games? Smoke-and-mirrors, a soft OL, and an undisciplined DL will only get a team so far, and it certainly won’t get a team through three games like that.

Maybe, just maybe, the UT-Tech game is a terrible barometer of who each team is, given all the factors involved. I guess we’ll see on Saturday night.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am

“ded’s problem, I think, is that he’s taking the UT-Tech game in isolation and using it as evidence to support his biased caricature of each team.”

And that’s probably a point I can’t argue. I just don’t know a better way to do it.
darklust said:

November 5th, 2008 at 11:22 am

I think it’s obvious. The game isn’t very good to characterize either team. You can’t use it as evidence to show whether either team is better. Tech is good, I’ll give them that. The game had me worried for the week ahead of it, but what I wasn’t factoring was how Tech would cheat their way to victory. If you weren’t holding, the pass rush would have gotten through. If the pass rush was getting through you’d probably have to put another person to stop it. If you did that, the spread wouldn’t work as effectively and your offense would have collapsed and shown its true face. Your defense would have had to step up even more throughout the game to compensate. Ded, can you refute that? Can you really refute that your offense would have suffered terribly without holding? This game showed that yes Tech was good. It also showed that Texas may not have had the top spot on lock. If anything I think it should have in a utopian world, had UT and Tech at 2 and 3 instead of 4 and 2 like they are now.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 11:34 am

darklust,

My only refute would be I don’t trust your OL to be smart enough to hold an SEC DL or your OC to figure out a blocking scheme that would work, if the Big 12 is down 14-0 in the 1st quarter to some team QBed by the president of the SAE chapter and a fanbase that’s way more annoying than the Aggies. And that pretty much sums up my thoughts on this game.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am

And I can’t believe Texas fans still do. I’m not sure we can, but at least, we’ll have a plan.
intellectual type said:

November 5th, 2008 at 11:45 am

The point is that you shouldn’t have to hold, period. It’s not something to be proud of that your OL is “smart” enough to hold when getting beat by a DL. All of this started with the total ineptitude of the Big XII officials this year to consistently and accurately call holding penalties. This has helped most offenses in the Big XII (mainly OU, TTech, Mizzou) run their offenses with impunity simply because they can have a near infinite amount of time to throw the ball. Yes, UT could also take part in this sex orgy of offensive holding, but that’s not how we coach our offensive lineman. As it’s been said further up in the comments section, eventually it will catch up to above said teams in their bowl games. The perfect example of this would be OU/WVU last year.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Dude, I don’t make the rules or ref the games. Your DL had more talent than our OL, we couldn’t block you, we started cheating, the refs didn’t call it, we ran for 10 yards a carry, and we won. Now, there may be a lot that’s integritally wrong about that, but look at the results of the other side of the ball. I guess I’ll apologize on behalf of Tech to all Texas fans for our team not playing by the rules and cheating you out of your national title dreams. Keep on thinking with that mentality as Hall & Company are trying to block Florida’s front 4. Good luck and we apologe for ripping you off. I guess you wouldn’t have felt lucky to win that game after all.
intellectual type said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

No need to get all emo on me Dedfischer, i’m just calling it as I see it. Referring to UT blocking Florida’s defensive line; yes, i’d rather block legally without holding and risk pressure/injury to Colt than hold and get penalized. That’s where having a mobile QB can help reduce the glaring deficiencies of an offensive line. On to a lighter note, I was at the Tech game on Saturday and tailgated out in a field at 19th and Indiana. Did you do any pre-game tailgating?
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Yeah, we are set up on the west side parking lot of the stadium. What did you think about it? Good? Bad? I was trying to determine, if we could ever get our fanbase energized enough to have the appearance of a big time atmosphere. I’m not sure that was it, but it was the most impressive outing I’ve seen by Tech fans and seemed like a good start. Hopefully, we’ll stick with it.
Casey said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Nice job at censorship. Guess I’ll go pick some fights on the tech blog.
HenryJames said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

Thanks. If your idea of discussion is threatening someone with whom you disagree, another blog is in your best interests.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

HJ, I hope I wasn’t picking fights. I guess I was, sorry. I felt like I needed to make a stand somewhere and this seemed like as appropriate place as any. At a minimum, I thought Tech did actually play hard enough to force some of the mistakes Texas made, which to me is a sign of a pretty good team. Personally, I thought Texas might be the only really good team in the conference at one point, but now I’m convinced, we’re all overrated and should just try to send the guy who has the best chance. I’m not convinced who that is yet, either.
dusk till dawn said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

a holding penalty is not if the OL has hands outside of the DL shoulder pads, it’s not if he grabs his jersey, and it’s not if he bear hugs him.

a penalty is what the ref calls. It’s not cheating to hold. If it was holding, the ref should have called it. Holding is a calculated risk taken by the OL. It can cost you dearly if the ref calls it.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

You must have had the same unethical bastards coaching you that I did.
intellectual type said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

I thought the atmosphere was pretty good. Everyone was really friendly over where I was tailgating and more than happy to share their food/beer or whatever we needed. We had both Tech and UT fans tailgating around us and it was all very cordial and light-hearted. The only part I didn’t enjoy was the Tech students. All of the older Tech fans were very friendly but anyone younger than about…25 or so was just rude and impolite. I have been to five OU games and one A&M game in College Station and this was my worst experience as far as fans. Now obviously, i’m not stereotyping everyone from Tech, I specified that it was certain students that had little or no class. After the game, once I got through the Tech student tailgating section outside the stadium, it was back to friendly West Texas folk.
HenryJames said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

ded,

You didn’t do anything wrong you jackass. Well, aside from being a jackass.
HenryJames said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

and f chrisapplewhite for getting over 200 comments
Doperbo said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

He’ll probably wear his lady pants tonight in celebration.
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

“All of the older Tech fans were very friendly but anyone younger than about…25 or so was just rude and impolite.”

That’s a problem I haven’t quite figured out how we’re going to solve. There’s more people who Tech was the 2nd or 3rd option for college and from metropolitan areas, than there are people who grew up there wanting to go there all their lives. Some of us, want opposing fans to come and have a good time and others want to get fucked up and take their bitterness for not taking high school seriously out on UT and A&M fans. I never have understood that mentality because I never wanted to be anywhere else. If we really want to be someone, we need to start some kind of educational behaviour courses for freshman, I guess. I can’t believe it’s come to that, but I chalk most of it up to bad parenting.
mws said:

November 5th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Are dedfischer and mdr the same person? And if so, could you put both of them to sleep?
dedfischer said:

November 5th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

I’m way worse than that guy, and it’s not even close.
mws said:

November 5th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Ok. Well, would you just shut up?
Vasherized said:

November 5th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

I guess the ‘lock thread’ function hasn’t been lab tested yet.

Time to bet on some football games.
Tim's Bleeding Vagina said:

November 5th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

what does the face rape on the video that this thread is linked to qualify as, dusk to dawn? if it is legal, please explain how. if it is illegal, please explain why it wasn’t called.
intellectual type said:

November 5th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

I think you’re right that it’s something along those lines of “we didn’t get into the school we wanted to (UT) and we are going to take it out on them because they did.” If it’s not that, then I pity the poor bastards for having no idea how to behave in life. Next year for the TTech game in Austin, you are more than welcome to come tailgate with my crew.
p said:

November 5th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

“Keep on thinking with that mentality as Hall & Company are trying to block Florida’s front 4. ”

First of all Florida’s front four get’s a sack every 14.5 snaps. We get a sack every 11.5 snaps, so I would say our offense faces a better front four in practice. Normally we get the ball out quick, so I am not worried about that as much as you might be. I am however, worried about their offense.
Tex(aus) said:

November 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am

I find it hilarious that longhorn fans are complaining about officiating when the zebra’s have singlehandedly gotten them back in several ball games they should have lost. Kansas PI call , the no-calls on holds when they were down 35-0 against OSU, and even this game with the techtards where they called a block in the back on Shipley’s punt return and waived it off.
Tex(aus) said:

November 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Funny longhorns complaining about bad officiating. They have been the beneficiaries many times of winning games they should have lost (phanton PI call vs. Kansas, massive OL holding vs OSU down 35-0 and even vs techtard this year on Shipley’s PR for a TD and obvious block in back).

99 out of 100 the horns are the ones getting the calls. the techtard game was an exception.
Junior said:

November 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

I find it funny that someone posts the same thought with two separate posts that are not duplicate. Is it funny or hilarous? (Make up your mind.)

There is a big difference between a single play foul and a systemic holding on multiple plays
Redfoot said:

November 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

“If we really want to be someone, we need to start some kind of educational behaviour courses for freshman, I guess.”

I hope this happens sooner than later. I get endless sh*t talked to me about our student body’s actions at games. And I wouldn’t believe half of it, except that I was there to witness it first hand, until I couldn’t stand going to games anymore because of it.
setting up wireless network said:

December 14th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

great post :D looking forward to reading more articles :D
Foster Pickler said:

January 15th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

Entertaining post. My family and I were just discussing this the other evening. Also your webpage looks excellent on my old sidekick. Now thats uncommon. Nice work.
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March 5th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

If I get the product and I do not like it how soon do i return it?

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Kevin Berger commented on the blog post Bracket Analysis: The South is a Bear of a Bracket 7 hours, 34 minutes ago

“And I can understand the Longhorn fan thinking mighty Baylor goes all the way. After they bitch slapped the Horns three times this year, they are the basketball equivilent of the three foot long rat my wife saw in the garage.”

I actually like Baylor based on how they played Kansas and to an extent KSU.

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Ag_in_TX commented on the blog post Bracket Analysis: The South is a Bear of a Bracket 7 hours, 41 minutes ago

Of course not.

Here is another bold claim – all 7 Big XII teams bolt out the gate and win their first round games.

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Kevin Berger commented on the blog post Bracket Analysis: The Wild West Regional 7 hours, 47 minutes ago

Work, I love Xavier. Really athletic team that feeds off of mismatches that superstar guard Jordan Crawford creates. Hell, he’s good enough to carry X past Minnesota and even Pitt if he’s hot.

The problem for XU is that they don’t defend as well as they have in the past. They’ll have

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