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Posted by Scipio Tex on August 25th, 2008 under Football
The depth charts are here and it is rife with conjunction. This is a depth chart more inclusive than a Benetton ad. You have to be careful what you read into this as much of it is theater, but there are some instructive items.
We are all starters!
Quick observations:
Offense
A message is being sent to Malcolm Williams. No 3rd receiver listed. Cosby is listed as the starting split end with Buckner backing him. Quan Cosby is not a split end. Malcolm: get your head in the game, homes. He’ll still start at #3. This is posturing.
Irby OR Greg Smith at TE. That suggests that Smith has beaten out Ullman as our primary blocking TE.
David Snow is listed behind Tanner; Huey listed behind Dockery. Huh? I could understand using Huey to motivate a complacent senior who feels unchallenged, but we’ll see how long that charade persists.
We appear to have four starting running backs. Unless a superior talent manifests itself, running back by committee has never bothered me the way it does some. This isn’t fantasy football. At the end of the day for most mortal runners, it’s about the OL, stupid.
Defense:
Miller is listed at NT. Clears up any doubt as to whether he’s a permanent one tech with Houston at 3. Love it. Houston is going to be a gap shooting terror while Miller demands double teams. Lewis is listed as a co-starter with Lamarr. O RLY?
Acho backs Orakpo. Melton or Lewis at the power DE with Eddie Jones on the outside looking in. Surprising. I hope this tell us more about Melton than Eddie. We’ve clearly pegged Aaron Lewis as our primary utility player Swiss Army Knife. He’ll be useful against the run against a Colorado while playing inside against a Tech.
Kindle starting. We just created six more turnovers and knocked two QBs out.
Bobino/Norton co-starters.
Our LBs are improved at 2.5 of 3 positions.
The safety depth chart made me laugh out loud. I don’t think this is overly inclusive wussiness. I think this is genuine confusion from our coaches after Earl Thomas takes his spot. Why they’d have Scott backing Thomas is a mystery. As much of a mystery as Nolan Brewster being listed at all. Ishie is conspicuously absent altogether.
CB: Palmer is the clear starter at one corner. Deon OR Chykie at the other. O RLY? Maybe that’s their way of saying that Chykie is the coverage nickel.
Kick returns: Quan Cosby and Jordan Shipley. This irritates me. Sure hands paired with a torn hamstring waiting to happen.
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Kevin Berger commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 3 minutes ago
colorado ag, Utah State is as athletic as Nebraska. You’ll be fine as long as they don’t go 16 for 31 from three.
Siena, on the other hand, is going to beat you like you stole something. Maybe not, but the Saints should win.
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Kevin Berger commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 6 minutes ago
Great article Scipio. Also, thanks for the dime.
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Scip, like a peaceful Indian in the 1800’s, I never trust a Mormon that can shoot. Utah State has me worried.
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Scipio Tex commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 52 minutes ago
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Possibly. However, I’m telling you – the beauty of these intergame lines is that when you see that all-too-familiar big early game lead that you know will evaporate down the stretch as soon as the team starts regressing to their 3 point shooting mean, there’s some money to be made.
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Big Satan said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am
The more things change, the more things stay the same.
Nordberg said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:08 am
I think this is just something they put out there. How long have we been hearing that Mack has a new depth chart every day? And the first one released to the public has 8 starting DB’s and 4 starting RB’s? Not buying it.
kevwun said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Every practice report regardless of the source raves about Huey. It makes perfect sense to not start him.
TGIFriday said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:16 am
This is why Ishie isn’t listed.
Scipio Tex said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Thanks, that’s good knowledge.
Lao Tzu said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:19 am
The left safety that can be named is not the true left safety.
Spider said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Damn, they’ve punted on the punter. Looks like another Gong Show.
kchorn04 said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Don’t worry, they will all have to fight for their jobs after the 3rd loss. Really, really fight.
El General said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Now I know why Mack says we are having problems finding our two-deep. It is real hard to go two deep when you have 37 starters.
TULAUS said:
August 25th, 2008 at 9:51 am
“That suggests that Smith has beaten out Ullman as our primary blocking TE.”
However, as you said in the SOTU, don’t discount some Ullman Smith 2-TE sets – especially in this first game, I think you will see it as a feature package. When your safeties are babies, the coaches can’t decide who’s the 3rd WR, your top two RB’s are bruisers, and the opposing QB and skill players scare you, it’s a good time to go jumbo and play keep away, possession football.
BrickHorn said:
August 25th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Has Mack given out the pre-season awards yet? I can’t wait to hear which 8 players win the Joe Jamail Pre-Season Best Starting Middle Linebacker Award, presented by Whataburger.
Facebook User said:
August 25th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Brick – Quit being such a foolishly consistent hobgoblin of anti-joy. It’s football season for Allah’s sake.
RansomStoddard said:
August 25th, 2008 at 10:55 am
There are many who think we’ll be “just fine” with a secondary, now injury-depleted, full of youngsters who’ve never played a down of football. Of course, I guess that’s because no one in the Big 12 ever throws the ball. It will be interesting to see how that works out.
Kafka said:
August 25th, 2008 at 11:20 am
I hate to see Quan and ship returning punts. Quan is just not that explosive and I agree that Ship is an injury waiting to happen.
Mack has been in full blown deflate Malcolm Williams mode for a couple of weeks now. My hope is that Malcolm just explodes this year and makes all this 3rd WR dithering look silly.
Glad to see that my boys Dan Buckner and DJ Grant also made the depth chart. They were both on my BC Big Board offensive top 20.
Very happy about Cody Johnson being named a co-starter at TB and FB. Cody was also a member of my BC BB top 20. There is nothing like a 5-10, 255 pound speedster to strike fear in the heart of an LB or DB (it is really tough to get as low as cody’s center of gravity when he is leaning).
Having multiple running backs is pretty cool in that you can match the RB to the proper situation (eg: Cody for 3rd and short, Ogbonnaya for 3rd and long, Fozzy or Vondrell the rest of the time). I also hope that we will see Fozzy at WR so we have somebody explosive for those short passes.
I don’t think the depth chart listed at the mack brown web site is the real depth chart (http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/index.html).
Regarding the safeties, I think they want at least one guy out there who can remember all the plays. with this many frosh playing, there is sure to be plenty of chaos.
M smith said:
August 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
This is a “It’s my fault and I’m a gonna fix it.” kind of depth chart.
BrickHorn said:
August 25th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Brick – Quit being such a foolishly consistent hobgoblin of anti-joy. It’s football season for Allah’s sake.
I represent the statistical mean of appropriate Longhorn football fan perspective. The understandable ecstasy that accompanies a nascent college football season has shifted the distribution to an unsustainable level of optimism.
I fully expect all of you to steadily regress toward my outlook as this season progresses, culminating in a harmonious Barking Carnival end-of-year bitchtacular. Texas fans no longer appreciate 3-loss seasons, and there aren’t too many reasons to believe that this team will do better than Mack Brown’s non-Vince average.
The 2009 season, with boatloads of by-then experienced talent returning to play under our firey young coordinator(s?), will be a different story. I hope.
jc25 said:
August 25th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I forbid the use of O RLY? on any Scipio Tex post, even when done in ironic fashion.
And I know that I’ve just consigned Scip’s next twenty posts to more of these from his smartass penmanship.
jc25 said:
August 25th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
By the by, why are roughly half of the faces on the Benetton ads gender ambiguous?
It makes it really hard to play Guess Who when you can’t even answer the questions correctly.
Mysterious Package said:
August 25th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
We have more co-starters than campfirelighters at Camp Longhorn. Every week we give three out to the most homesick. Its like first grade when you have to write something nice about johhny in the back and recieve gold stars while becoming line leader to the cafeteria.
Hippie Killer said:
August 26th, 2008 at 6:22 am
We have feelings to consider folks.
HenryJames said:
August 26th, 2008 at 6:43 am
Maybe that’s their way of saying that Chykie is the coverage nickel.
Muschamp said yesterday that the nickel back will be Palmer, Thomas or Gideon.
BatesHorn said:
August 26th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Gezuz H. Khrist. Apparantly the longhorn coaching staff has turned into a bunch of f-ing millenials: totally unable to make a decision about anything despite a glowing resume and overbearing helicopter parents.
Scipio Tex said:
August 26th, 2008 at 8:46 am
By coverage nickel, I meant not an extra safety nickel. 3 CBs and 2 S.
doog said:
August 26th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Mack said that all other WRs, from Malc Williams to Payne, to Kirk, etc, were mightily inconsistent throughout summer. great catch one day, four drops the next. So bad that they’re thinking no one is worth starting, so they’ll mainly line up w/ 2 TEs.
Scipio Tex said:
August 26th, 2008 at 9:37 am
That’s reassuring given the lack of talent we have at TE.
Kafka said:
August 26th, 2008 at 10:32 am
I don’t know if Mack is doing his typical disinfo thing that he does before games or whether he will actually play two tight ends a lot.
I’d actually be fine with lining up a running team, including Chiles at QB, cody Johnson at FB, vondrell at TB, 2 big TEs (Smith and Ullman), plus Fozzy somewhere in space and just mash the ball down FAU’s throat for a couple of quarters. I’m not mad at SchmellonBurger for his remarks but he needs to be held accountable.
I’m kind of tired of padding Colt’s stats in preseason games, let’s do something for the linemen and running backs and give chiles lots of snaps.
HenryJames said:
August 26th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Sooners and Buffs also released their depth charts.
Demarcus Granger isn’t starting for OU because he showed up out of shape and has been having back problems.
Colorado has ‘groupings’ at some positions. They are nice enough to define a grouping: “indicates all listed will play and order of listing is not that significant”
Greg Davis said:
August 26th, 2008 at 10:48 am
“3rd and short”
Since this situation limits our explosive play opportunities, we tend to avoid it.
NateHeupel said:
August 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
“Demarcus Granger isn’t starting for OU because he showed up out of shape and has been having back problems.”
He strained his back running from security at Burlington Coat Factory. ZING! What a dumbass. (Granger, not HJ).
On a serious note, he’s been battling back problems ever since he got to OU.
Scipio Tex said:
August 26th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
A lot of overweight people battle back problems.
Gerald McCoy is a stud. What do you think about the quality of his DT partner?
NateHeupel said:
August 26th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Things that excite me about the OU depth chart:
-Quentin Chaney holding on to a starting WR job. For the last two years, he’s ended the year very well, and absolutely stunk up fall camp. Jay Norvell must’ve finally turned on the light bulb.
-The OL. Sweet Lord, this is a far cry from the sieve…er, line from 2005.
-Demarco Murray having sole possession of the #1 RB job.
-Jeremy Beal taking a starting job. This guy came on huge at the end of last year.
Things that frighten me (And should excite UT fans) on the OU depth chart:
-Quentin Chaney holding on to the #1 WR job. This guy has NEVER managed to pull his crap together. I am strongly inclined to believe he only has this job because Adron Tennell sprained his knee pretty badly this summer and is just now back to 95%.
-The CBs. The good news is that they’re very athletic and none are true or redshirt freshmen. The bad news is that they’re not Marcus Walker or Reggie Smith.
-The LBs. The star is Ryan Reynolds. He was solid in Van Wilder and I thought he was pretty good in Blade: Trinity and Definitely, Maybe. The best thing you can say is that he’s nailing Scarlett Johannson. The rest are a cluster-f*ck of mediocrity and inexperience.
Nordberg said:
August 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
” The best thing you can say is that he’s nailing Scarlett Johannson.”
That’s the best thing you could say about anybody.
HenryJames said:
August 27th, 2008 at 4:46 am
Nebraska released their depth chart.
HenryJames said:
August 27th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Aggies released their depth chart. That offensive line looks terrible.
Kriess said:
August 27th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Looking on their (OU) depth chart…Im excited about 2009. All 5 of their starting O-line are seniors plus all 3 of the WR’s. Thats 8 seniors not returning. Im sure that the behemoth Jermaine Gresham as a JR will defect to the NFL this year without much returning starting talent/experience. Now their defense will be quite studly in 2009 with the exception of the secondary as 3/4 will be going to the NFL/CFL/Used car salesman at Big Red Auto’s
NateHeupel said:
August 27th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Scip;
“Gerald McCoy is a stud. What do you think about the quality of his DT partner?”
Are you referring to “Coats for Kids” Granger or Adrian “Token motivational piece” Taylor?
ponderos said:
August 27th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Glad you’re looking forward to 2009, kriess. I’m looking forward to 2008.
NateHeupel said:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
“I’m sure that the behemoth Jermaine Gresham as a JR will defect to the NFL this year without much returning starting talent/experience.”
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/extra/article.aspx?tab=ou&subjectID=92&articleid=20080816_92_B1_hSoone98222
Direct quote:
“I don’t think I’m ready,” he said. “If I went out there and had like A.D. (Peterson) talent, then that’s a no-brainer. But I don’t have that talent.”
Scipio Tex said:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I think you answered my question.
HenryJames said:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Doesn’t matter what he thinks.
NateHeupel said:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
On a serious note, Taylor is good, he’s just not in Granger or McCoy’s class. OU is seriously after JaMarkus McFarland for a reason.
“Doesn’t matter what he thinks.”
-says the UT fan/armchair pundit commenting on OU.
HenryJames said:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
My response was directed at the Gresham quote, “I don’t think I’m ready.”
It doesn’t matter what Gresham thinks of his own ability. It’s what the NFL thinks.