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OK, this Tim Tebow shit is really getting out of hand.
First, Urban Meyer said in July to a Miami alumni group that Tim Tebow ”is the greatest player of our era.”
And now, we have this gem from Men’s Fitness.
“When you look at who the biggest star among [the NFL or college] is, the answer was very simple,” Men’s Fitness magazine Executive Editor Roy Johnson said. “It was Tim Tebow. Because of his combination of physicality and skill, he was a natural selection for us.”
Johnson said football fans will see more from Tebow than being the type of specimen that “Vince Young couldn’t become in his dream.”
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Oh no you di’n't!
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explain…
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Scipio Tex commented on the blog post Now THAT’S Taking One For The Team 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
He played for New Mexico State.
We recruited him briefly, along with Louisville, Pitt and a host of others. Everyone ran when they realized he was a lunatic.
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He played for New Mexico State.
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Pope was a real head case recruit, if I recall correctly.
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Baylor scares me. They have no idea what the bright lights feel like.
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admin commented on the blog post Final Four Prediction 7 hours, 42 minutes ago
Baylor scares me. They have no idea what the bright lights feel like.
Huggins also has a horrible history with high seeds from his days at Cincy.
Bingo.
Bingo.
Yet Gary Williams has a ring. Maybe this is Huggy’s year and maybe Scott Drew can get laid in a morgue.
I have these guys in my bracket. DEEP.
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Travis,
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Thanks, dick. Interesting perspective.
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KB,
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I just took Baylor going to the Elite 8. It’s a crazy mixed up world we live in.
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Art Vandelay commented on the blog post Final Four Prediction 14 hours, 14 minutes ago
By “we” I meant the Horns. Kevin, why should I take Siena over A&M?
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Kevin Berger commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 14 hours, 28 minutes ago
colorado ag, Utah State is as athletic as Nebraska. You’ll be fine as long as they don’t go 16 for 31 from three.
Siena, on the other hand, is going to beat you like you stole something. Maybe not, but the Saints should win.
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Kevin Berger commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 14 hours, 32 minutes ago
Great article Scipio. Also, thanks for the dime.
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Art Vandelay commented on the blog post Final Four Prediction 14 hours, 37 minutes ago
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James commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 14 hours, 48 minutes ago
Scip, like a peaceful Indian in the 1800’s, I never trust a Mormon that can shoot. Utah State has me worried.
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Scipio Tex commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 15 hours, 17 minutes ago
CJD -
Possibly. However, I’m telling you – the beauty of these intergame lines is that when you see that all-too-familiar big early game lead that you know will evaporate down the stretch as soon as the team starts regressing to their 3 point shooting mean, there’s some money to be made.
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Scipio Tex commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 15 hours, 19 minutes ago
uthookem-
I’d say you have your priorities straight.
colorado -
Anytime. How far do you think the Aggies go? A lot of people think Utah State is the most dangerous pure shooting team in the tournament.
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uthookem commented on the blog post Bracket Breakdown & Gambling Tips 15 hours, 30 minutes ago
Last year in Vegas, Friday morning, stumble to the line at 8:30 to make my bets, put $20 on a four-team parlay on the four 9:00 am games, nailed it! Three of the four games’ spread was determined in the final 0:30. Walked away with $220.
Yeah, so what if that is the only
The Emerging Harris contingent said:
August 15th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
If you cant beat out Chris Leak for the sole starting job then you need to sit the f**k down
Tim Tebow said:
August 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Mr. Johnson still can’t explain to me why we needed the riding crop, saddle and chloroform for the photo shoot, which he did personally, although he didn’t know to take the lens cap off the camera.
kevwun said:
August 15th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Tim Tebow is much better than Vince Young at losing games. That’s about it.
Black Scholes said:
August 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Never really been on the Tebow bandwagon. I think he’s one of the Heisman ‘winners’ in the sense that they had to give it to someone that year.
The kid can’t hold VY’s jock. Anyone who says otherwise is either a homer (Meyer) or a hom – er, severely misguided – (Johnson).
HenryJames said:
August 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I’m pretty sure that only hom – er, severely misguided people read Men’s Fitness.
jc25 said:
August 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
In other news, Andre Jones dreams of being Ronnie Wilson.
dedfischer said:
August 15th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
This thread is not going to end nicely. I’m waiting for CA’s rant unless his head already exploded.
ChrisApplewhite said:
August 15th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
This is ridiculous. I can’t fucking handle shit like this . . . anym . . . I can’t do it. He’s just too dreamy.
Men's Health said:
August 16th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Men’s Fitness? Never heard of it.
Rowdy Gaines said:
August 18th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Tim Teabag can swim in my pool any time! Tell that guy Huckleberry he can come too.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 9:13 am
I can’t believe people are getting indignant because Tebow is being hyped more than Vince Young.. Not only is Tebow ten times the passer at the same age.. Tebow is a better passer right NOW. Vince Young is bouncing passes to his receivers as we speak? Are you guys watching Vince play? Vince Young is abysmal.
Vince couldn’t even win the Heisman in college period. Tebow did it as a sophomore for the first time in history. Go look back at Young’s performance in the heat of the Heisman race with Reggie Bush. Vince Young had one of his worst games against one of the worst teams and dfenses in college football that year – Texas A&M. That’s why he lost the Heisman. Tebow couldn’t have that poor of a game against that weak of a defense if he tried.
Vince Young just isn’t on Tebow’s level. No QB has had the options Tebow has. Tebow is a true runningback with an elite QB’s arm. Vince Young is a wide receiver trying to be forced into the QB position.
That might have flew when running QBs were still a novelty on college football a couple years ago.. But everyone is prepared for them now. An even being prepared Tebow is still running them over.
Facebook User said:
August 18th, 2008 at 9:32 am
You’ve sold me.
echeese said:
August 18th, 2008 at 9:41 am
That might have flew when running QBs were still a novelty on college football a couple years ago..
That is so stupid that I cant believe I did’nt right it.
Lionel Hutz said:
August 18th, 2008 at 10:16 am
VoiceOfReason posted that? This is the greatest case of false advertising I’ve seen since I sued the movie The Never Ending Story.
Earl T said:
August 18th, 2008 at 10:38 am
In yet OTHER news, Mad Dog dreams of eating at the same table as Mangino!
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Let’s put it this way.. if Tebow had had as poor a game against as weak a team as Texas A&M last season he wouldn’t have won the Heisman.
Tebow had more people gunning for him than anyone in the history of college football. Not only was he being hyped like crazy last season but he was accounting for 70% of his teams entire offense for the season. Something Vince Young had never done. Something no one has ever done.
Yet never did Tebow have as poor a running game as Vince Young in that Texas A&M game. In that game Vince Young’s teammates carried him. That’s why Tebow has a Heisman and Vince doesn’t.
And that’s why VY isn’t in Tebow’s league. Tebow’s ability to function as a true runningback and his superior passing ability put him on a completely different level than VY.
TaylorTRoom said:
August 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Tebow is a poor man’s Paul Hornung.
Stuck in MN said:
August 18th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Yep Vince always disappeared in the big games, that’s how he’ll always be remembered. Like that -15 yards rushing he had in the loss to Georgia last year.
One other thing, Tebow did all this with Meyer calling the plays, VY did it with Greg freaking Davis as his OC. That is like breaking the 100m world record wearing ankle weights.
Seriously are you messing with us and I was dumb enough to take the bait? I picture CA typing away while cackling at my responses as his dog sits on his lap growing more nervous with each reply.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Vince Young is poor man’s Ben Roethlisberger.
Huckleberry said:
August 18th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Vince had 8 carries for 52 yards (6.5 ypc) in the A&M game plus 3 sacks with 32 yards lost. Statistical total of 11 carries for 19 yards.
Against Georgia last year Tim Tebow had 7 carries for 25 yards (3.6 ypc) plus 6 sacks with 40 yards lost. Statistical total of 13 carries for -15 yards.
And your “carried by his team” argument is so full of shit it’s funny. As though Vince Young didn’t carry his team to multiple victories including two BCS bowl wins.
Finally, the argument that teams geared themselves to stop Tebow is just plain dumb when you’re using it to argue against Vince Young in college. Seriously? Your 70% figure is obviously based on the fact that Florida gained 5943 yards of total offense last year while Tebow threw for 3286 and ran for 895. 70.35% of the team yardage.
In 2005, Texas had 6657 total yards (what a shock, a better offense) while Vince ran for 1050 and threw for 3036. A piddly 61.38% of the team yardage.
Meanwhile, Tim Tebow was responsible for 66.04% of Florida’s plays last year. Vince was responsible for 51.01% of Texas’ plays in 2005.
So, brainiac, in 2005 Vince Young either ran or threw the ball on 51.01% of our team’s plays and was responsible for 66.04% of our team’s yardage.
In 2007, Tim Tebow either ran or threw the ball on 66.04% of the team’s plays and was responsible for 70.35% of their yardage.
Plays in 2005 where Vince was responsible resulted in 8.51 yards per play. Plays where Vince was not responsible resulted in 5.58 yards per play. Vince being responsible for the play resulted in 52.64% more yards per play than when he wasn’t. And this doesn’t even take into account the huge holes he opened for Charles and Young on the zone read.
Tebow plays resulted in 7.47 yards per play. Non-Tebow plays resulted in 6.12 yards per play. So Tebow’s involvement increased the average yards gained per play by 22.03% compared to other UF players.
Looks to me like 2005 Young was 2.39 times better than 2007 Tebow. Are you sure stupid stats like 70% of the team’s offense are where you want to go with this? Anyone can be all of their team’s offense if the team’s offense is only about the one guy running or passing.
ponderos said:
August 18th, 2008 at 11:57 am
You can see Tebow’s charisma from outer space.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
“”"Yep Vince always disappeared in the big games, that’s how he’ll always be remembered. Like that -15 yards rushing he had in the loss to Georgia last year.”"”
Are you drunk? Te bow had a poor runnign game while severely injured against arguably the best defens ein the league.. with no defense of his own. Vince Young had a terrible running game and 2 turnovers against arguably the worst defense in the league.Not only was he dominated that weekened by Reggie Bush.. causing him to lose the Heisman.. he wasn’t even the best Qb on the field that day against 5 and 6 texas A&M that year….
“”"One other thing, Tebow did all this with Meyer calling the plays, VY did it with Greg freaking Davis as his OC. That is like breaking the 100m world record wearing ankle weights.”"”
When Vince was playing just a few seasons ago running Qbs and the spread offenses were nowhere near as well prepared for as they are today. All of college football is running their QBs. If you really think about it that says more about the strategy of running your Qb than it doies about how good vicne Young was. It actually shows how Vince was helped by simply using that strategy.. more so then than now because teams are much more prepared for it.
Vince also had a much more well balanced running game and a light years better defense.. and he was facing weaker competition on a regular basis.. and still didn’t perform as well.
“”"Seriously are you messing with us and I was dumb enough to take the bait? I picture CA typing away while cackling at my responses as his dog sits on his lap growing more nervous with each reply.”"”
Are you messing with me? Have you seen Vince Young play outside of college?
Vince Young is turning out to be the first Alex Smith.. rather than the first Tim Tebow..
WhoooTex said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
You gonna addresss Huck’s post there, champ…? I’m kinda doubting it because he tore you three new assholes.
Stuck in MN said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
“When Vince was playing just a few seasons ago running Qbs and the spread offenses were nowhere near as well prepared for as they are today.”
Yep, Vince running really took DC’s by surprise- it was like they had no idea what he was up to. Only the most well scouted programs were ready for it. I’m also amazed at the sea change in defensive personnel and philosophy that has occurred between 05 and 07. It is a credit to the defenses that they were able to recruit for, devise and install this defense during that time.
“Are you messing with me? Have you seen Vince Young play outside of college?”
I kind of assumed this whole discussion was about college, since, well, Tebow is still in college and the Heisman seems to be one of the main criteria you are citing. We could bring in pro and high school if you like.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Huckleberry… Texas A&M was the 126th ranked defense that seaosn.. Georgia had one of if not the best defense in colelge football! LOL
Tebow couldn’ have that poor a game agaisnt that poor a dfefens eif he tried. And if he did he wouldn’t have a Heisman right now. Which is definitive proof that Young isn’t on tTebo’s level. You can bury your head if you like but it’s a fact. Vince Young was nowhere near the level of QB is at Tebow’s age.. neither throwing or running. Vince Young was juts very fortunate to be on a very well balanced team facing weaker competition. Even USC had no defense that year..
And I love it when people post stats that suppport the opposing persons argument and then act like it refutes their argument.. as if you are going to blind someone with numbers..
Fact is Vince never accounted for the percentage of his team’s offense that Tebow did. And Tebow was facing tougher competition and a league far more prepared for running QBs. And he was hyped much more and less experienced. And he won the Heisman over a better player than the one Vince Young lost his Heisman to.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
And I love it when people post stats that suppport the opposing persons argument and then act like it refutes their argument.. as if you are going to blind someone with numbers.
“”"You gonna addresss Huck’s post there, champ…? I’m kinda doubting it because he tore you three new assholes.”"”
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
“”"And I love it when people post stats that suppport the opposing persons argument and then act like it refutes their argument.. as if you are going to blind someone with numbers.”"”
“”"You gonna addresss Huck’s post there, champ…? I’m kinda doubting it because he tore you three new assholes.”"”
++++
I stand corrected! lol
There’s a sucker born every minute. Or more like people see what they want to see…
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
“”"I kind of assumed this whole discussion was about college, since, well, Tebow is still in college and the Heisman seems to be one of the main criteria you are citing. We could bring in pro and high school if you like.”"”
If you are only going to include Tebow’s college performance to date and Vince Young’s performance to the same age then there is no contest whatsover. Vince Young was nowhere near Tebow’s level at the same age.
Huckleberry said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Okay, now at least I know he’s joking.
Texas A&M was the #44 rushing defense in 2005 (#107 overall – their passing defense was 104 efficiency wise).
Of course, I would have figured it out from the contradictions he has in a single response:
Young was juts very fortunate to be on a very well balanced team…
Fact is Vince never accounted for the percentage of his team’s offense that Tebow did.
So apparently Tebow is better beacuse he accounted for a higher percentage of total yards even though he took a much higher percentage of total plays to do it. All while playing on a less balanced offense than Young, which would, of course, artificially make him a higher percentage of the offense.
That could have been a good one if he hadn’t blown his cover.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Tebow had no decent running game to suport him or take pressur eof him.
Tebow was both the rpimary running back runnign between the tackles as well as filling the role of an elite caliber QB. Tebow had the second highest passer efficiency..
Tebow was filling 2 of the toughest and most valuable roles on his tema by himself.
Vince Young had a very solid running group to take pressure off him to allow him to run outside the tackels. This is why Young had bigger runs and why Tebow had shorter runs per posession.. as well as Tebow being focused on more because he accounted for so much of the offense.
Not only didn’t Vince Young fill the same role for his team.. he couldn’t if he wanted tp. He’s not durable enough. which is why he wa sunable to run on such a poor defense at Texas A&M.
And I like how you try to pretend a 44th ranked run defense is an excuse for such a poor running performance. LOL Now that’s desperation. You don’t have a leg to stand on in this debate.
Are you arguing against VY being an elite running QB?
That game also shows how one dimensional Vince was.. put him against a slightly better than horrible run defense and even with one of the poorest pass defenses in the league he still couldn’t pass at a very high level.
Tebow would have ran and passed better against that team.. which shows why Tebow is so special.. legendary really.
Being better at both those aspects of the game combined makes Tebow exponentially better as a QB. It also shows how soft VY was compared to Tebow. Which is why Tebow will translate to the pros so much better than VY and why VY is struggling in the pro game so much.
echeese said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I must have multipull personalaties.
I don’t remember posting as VoiceOfReason.
But,
I keep passing out and then waking up in pools of my own slobber sirounded by copies of Mens Fitness and the Universaty of Florida Media Guide.
And then I read a post by VoiceOfReason that sounds just like something I would post with all the absurdaties and selective use of only self-serveing statistics.
What is going on.
Huckleberry said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Tebow had no decent running game to suport him or take pressur eof him.
Tebow was both the rpimary running back runnign between the tackles as well as filling the role of an elite caliber QB. Tebow had the second highest passer efficiency..
This is fucking hilarious.
If I thought this was real I would wonder if any human being could be so stupid as to not understand that arguing that Tebow was the only good weapon Florida had actually devalues the fact that he accounted for a high percentage of the offense. If Troy Smith had played with 10 peewee players at Ohio State he would have been 100% of the team’s offense. Same with any decent player.
By the way, Vince Young was #3 in passing efficiency in 2005. And he averaged two-and-a-half more yards per rush than Tebow.
And you know what happened when Vince faced the #1 rushing defense in the nation in 2005? He ran for 76 yards, threw for 270, and we won.
You know what happened when we faced the #4 rushing defense that year? He ran for 45, threw for 241, and we won.
You know what happened when we faced the #11 rushing defense twice that year? He ran for 58 and 57, threw for 336 and 193, and we won twice.
For the record, Georgia had the #16 rushing defense last year. They held Tebow to -15 rushing yards. In case you forgot.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Self serving statistics?
Statstically There is absolutely no contest between Tebow and VY.. The only thing VY has going for him are his team accomplishments and some timely personal performnaces.
But those timely performances also hurt VY’s reputation.. because it appears when the pressure is on him, and he isn’t the underdog, he can’t perform, as the Texas A&M game indicates.
Talk about self serving though.. these same people that tout his team successes in college ignore his team failures in the pros.. that’s the very definition of hypocrisy.
Huckleberry said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
So in 4 games against Top 20 rushing defenses, Vince averaged 59 yards rushing, 260 yards passing, and the offense averaged 45.5 points in FOUR WINS.
In 2 games (that’s right, only two) against Top 20 rushing defenses, Tebow averaged 26 yards rushing, 197 yards passing, and the offense averaged 27 points in TWO LOSSES.
Average rushing defense faced by Vince in 2005: 47.4
Average rushing defense rank faced by Tebow in 2007: 59.8 (and I didn’t even count D-1AA Western Kentucky)
Yep, that schedule was much tougher on a running quarterback.
HenryJames said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Yeah, but the SEC has a bunch of running QBs so they’re more prepared for it.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
“”"This is fucking hilarious.
If I thought this was real I would wonder if any human being could be so stupid as to not understand that arguing that Tebow was the only good weapon Florida had actually devalues the fact that he accounted for a high percentage of the offense. If Troy Smith had played with 10 peewee players at Ohio State he would have been 100% of the team’s offense. Same with any decent player.”"”
But he would have the top ranked offens ein the league genius.. lol
Seriously.. this is the poorest use of logic I have ever seen.. then to pretend to be condescending on top of it? It’s beyond sad.. You have lost all credibility..
“”"By the way, Vince Young was #3 in passing efficiency in 2005. And he averaged two-and-a-half more yards per rush than Tebow.”"”
hahahahaha So you are comparing VY redshirt Junior years to Tebow’s true sophomore year… keep losing credibiltiy.. I didn’t think it was possible to lose more credibility..
VY only passed for 100 yards his first year as a true sophomore. VY was nowhere near Tebow’s league as a passer…
“”"And you know what happened when Vince faced the #1 rushing defense in the nation in 2005? He ran for 76 yards, threw for 270, and we won.
You know what happened when we faced the #4 rushing defense that year? He ran for 45, threw for 241, and we won.
You know what happened when we faced the #11 rushing defense twice that year? He ran for 58 and 57, threw for 336 and 193, and we won twice.
For the record, Georgia had the #16 rushing defense last year. They held Tebow to -15 rushing yards. In case you forgot.”"”
And yet he couldn’t run more than 19 yards on the 126th ranked defense in CFB..
Those good gasmes you point to just show you how a good team can raise the level of a player and make them overrated. But there is absolutely no excuse for the performance VY had against such a poor team in Texas A&M.
That they won that game even with VY poor performance shows how that team was carrying them.
VY didn’t deserve the Heisman over Reggie Bush for the same reason that he isn’t on Tebow’s level right now.
But of course.. you will now tout his Longhorns team successes and ignore his current teams failures..
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
“”"Yeah, but the SEC has a bunch of running QBs so they’re more prepared for it.”"”
Yep.. because these defenses are even facing these running QB’s and offenses in heir own practices..
Bill Bellicheck was even consulting with Urban Meyer a couple seasons ago in the off season boning up on the spread offense… no doubt to learn to use it and defend against it and running Qbs.
Oh wait.. why would he need to do that if everyone was already prepared for it when VY was on the Longhorns?
VoiceOfReason said:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Hey Huckleberry.. are you still comparing Tebow’s sophomore season to VY Redshirt Junior seaosn? LMFAO
My god this is sad..
Wow.. talk about self deluding statistics.. LOL
TaylorTRoom said:
August 18th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I get it. VOR is just screwing with us. Nobody can be that stupid. We all know that if VY came back in 2006, Texas would have one more MNC and Florida would have one less. Good one, VOR.
Gino Toretta said:
August 18th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
VOR makes a valid point- Tebow won the Heisman, VY didn’t.
Chris Weinke said:
August 18th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I agree.
VoiceOfInsanity said:
August 19th, 2008 at 4:50 am
VoiceOfReason, sit down… You have been taken to the woodshed and beaten.
VoiceOfReason said:
August 20th, 2008 at 1:05 am
NO.. Vince Young’s passing ability is in the woodshed getting beaten right now.. but apparently the fools who overrated him have their heads buried too far in the sand to see that.. LOL
Vince hasn’t figure out the bounce pass is allowed in basketball but not football.. maybe he’s trying to make a career change. haha
With his physique he should be a Bball player not trying to be a runningback.. obviously he didn’t have enough talent to play Baball though.. he’s got the softness down though.. lol
Paul Ferguson said:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I think most of you forgot what it looked like when Vince played in college. Get on Youtube, watch some highlights. And how bout we keep in mind that Vince has been in the NFL for two freakin’ years, and in one of those he won rookie of the year. Look, Tebow’s a great player, but he doesn’t stack up to Vince. Do any of ya’ll morons realize Vince went down as the #10 college football player of all time? I don’t care what you think, it don’t get a whole lot better than that. Guess where Reggie Bush sits. #25. You can’t say Vince not winnin’ the Heisman means somethin’ when they guy who did win sits 15 players under him. And believe me when I say that it won’t be long before we’re arguin’ about whether or not Colt McCoy’s Better than sam bradford and Tim Tebow. He is. Hands down Colt McCoy is the absolute best college football player out there.
Paul Ferguson said:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
One last thing to say. “VoiceOfReason”, (There’s some irony for ya, calls himself voiceofreason and he doesn’t know the difference between a quarterback and a brick). Anyway, you’re a douche bag.
Paul Ferguson said:
February 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
(CBS) And he unleashes that stuff on the field. Last year, he set the rookie quarterback record for rushing with 552 yards. He’s the first rookie quarterback ever to play in the Pro Bowl, and in a game against the Giants he staged the biggest rookie comeback ever. Down 21-0 with less than 10 minutes to play, the Titans won, 24-21.
Ring a bell?