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Posted by TaylorTRoom on March 31st, 2008 under Basketball

So, with the Longhorns’ season over, where do the ‘07 – ‘08 Longhorns rank among all of UT’s basketball squads? I have an opinion. First- ground rules on where I’m coming from. I feel fine rating high-performing teams from the past highly. Although they didn’t have the training and conditioning regimens that we have today, talent is talent. If a basketball team was great 30 years ago, I’ll still consider them great, even if a modern team could throw some funky defenses on them and shut them down (supposing your time machine is available to set up a game).

Still, I have limits. I don’t necessarily rate pre-integration SWC teams that reached the final four by winning the first game of an eight team tournament highly. Any college team that could have been beaten by contemporary Philadelphia HS squads doesn’t get ranked high by me.

Here goes. Here’s my top 10 Longhorn teams:

1. 2002-2003: T.J. Ford, James Thomas, Mouton, Ivey, and Boddicker. They made it to the Final Four, and lost to eventual NC Syracuse.

2. 2007-2008: I’m calling this the second greatest Longhorn team. Anyone want to argue?

3. 2005-2006: Elite 8 with Tucker, Aldridge, Gibson, and Buckman. They missed the Final Four by losing in OT to LSU. They may have gotten closer than this years’ Horns, and had more NBA-ready talent, but I think our guys this year would beat them.

4. 1989-1990: Elite Eight with BMW (Blanks, Mays, Wright). This is what Trips meant when he wrote about a “shooter’s chance”.

5. 1977-1978: Won the NIT when it kind of meant something.

6. 1946-1947: Hell, they were a bunch of set-shooting white guys, but they did have a future HOFer in Slater Martin.

7. 2003-2004: Sweet 16, with a #6 seed to start.

8. 2001-2002: Sweet 16 with a #6 seed.

9. 1996-1997: Sweet 16 with a #10 seed.

10. You know, you really can’t differentiate between the rest of the squads. Let’s leave this blank. Next year’s squad will force its way on the list, and then we can put somebody here.

Note how good Barnes has been for Texas (and Texas for Barnes). He has five of the squads, Penders has two, and Lemons has one.

While we’re having fun, let’s make another list. How about the 10 best D-1A teams from the state of Texas?

1. UTEP/Texas Western 1965-1966: National Championships count.

2. UH 1982-1983: Lost to NCSU on Charles’ jam. Drexler, Franklin, Olajuwon, Young, and Micheaux. These guys were damned good.

3. UH 1967-1968: Beat UCLA in regular season, lost in tournament. Birdsong and Hayes.

4. UT 2002-2003: Don’t like it? This is my list.

5. UH 1983-1984: The last of the great Phi Slamma Jammas

6. UH 1981-1982: Whatever happened to Rob Franklin? This was one of the greatest Final Fours, btw.

7. UH 1966-1967: The first of UH’s five Final Fours.

8. UT 2007-2008

9. UT 2005-2006

10. UT 1989-1990

I was surprised that no other Texas teams did much in the NCAAs. I had remembered the Tony Battie TT teams as being at least an Elite Eight, but I was wrong. Let’s call them an honorable mention, along with the Jon Koncak/Kato Armstrong SMU team, and the Rudy Woods Aggie team.

Disagree with any of these? Please comment. Huck, have you already made a spreadsheet to rank these? If so, how did I do?

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  1. DrJHorn said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Taylor,

    Huck is busy and has asked me to make the gratuitous corrections today. The UH point guard in 1981-82 was Rob Williams, not Franklin.

    Didn’t see the UTEP team of ‘66, but the ‘83 Phi Slamma Jamma team should be high on the list of teams with the greatest collection of talent in college basketball history.

    Drexler and Olajuwon are included in the recent list of the Top 50 NBA players of all time. Young and Franklin were NBA first round picks and Micheaux was a second rounder. And then there was Benny Anders, who may have been the best athlete on the team – from the neck down, anyway.

    That UH team simply toyed with a great Louisville team led by Rodney and Scooter McCray in the Final Four before their inexplicable loss to NCSU in the championship.

  2. Trips Right said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Dr, if it wasn’t for the UTEP team, Reed Gettys would be the only player allowed on the court for UH. That’s would Adolph Rupp told me, anyway. Nate Archibald confirmed it.

  3. TaylorTRoom said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    That UH team was loaded. They were also coached by Guy Lewis, which is why I have UT’s Final Four team ahead of the Phi Slamma Jamma bookend versions. There is a reason that the one coach to take a Texas college to more modern Final Fours than all other Texas college together had to wait before he was inducted into the HOF.

  4. Trips Right said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Taylor, what about those great Kato Armstrong teams?

  5. Trips Right said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Seriously though, I like the list. I think the 2005 team was a bit better than this year’s mainly because our guards were big and our interior would have crushed James and Atchley. Ivey on Augustin, Mouton chasing Abrams, PJ backing down Mason. It’d be fun.

  6. TaylorTRoom said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    I always liked Kato Armstrong. That may be an acquired taste.

  7. DrJHorn said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Oh, I agree with you on Guy V., Taylor. Hence the carefully worded “greatest collection of talent” comment.

    Thanks for the Reid Gettys remembrance, Trips. He was fairly easy to pick out on the court. Particularly by his general acquaintance with free throw process – unique on that team. I seem to recall that Michael Young had a better FG % than FT %.

  8. TaylorTRoom said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Trips, you may be remembering the ‘05-’06 squad a little too kindly. If our time machine could pit them against this year’s Horns, and the ‘06ers had a late lead- how are they going to inbound the ball late under pressure? Remember how tough that was for Gibson and Paulino?

  9. Trips Right said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Easy, the 07 version doesn’t pressure. They’d be gassed.

  10. Trips Right said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Yikes, brain fart. I made a little intergalactic all star team. Paulino and Gibson would have a rough go creating. You’re probably right.

  11. srr50 said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    <p><p>There is a team that at least deserves honorable mention on your Texas list. The 1971-72 squad. </p><br />
    <p>They won the SWC, finished 19-9, reached the Sweet 16, and played their best basketball from the middle of the season on. In fact, a flurry of injuries kept them from reaching their full potential in the Sweet 16. </p><br />
    <p>That team had Larry Robinson as its centerpiece. Robinson, a sophomore, was the first African-American superstar basketball player at UT. He was from one of the best HS programs in the country at that time — Hobbs, New Mexico. Larry was a 6-6 forward who had the skillset of today’s player. He was a smooth ball handler, good rebounder (he was 6-7 and a slight 205 pounds, but used his quickness) and an outstanding outside shooter. He had a marvelous first step on offense.</p><br />
    <p>Robinson had averaged 34 points and 17 rebounds on the freshman squad. He averaged 21 points and 8 rebounds that year and was the SWC Player of the Year. </p><br />
    <p>He had help on that team. Lynn Howden, a transfer from LSU was a 6-7 230 pound forward who was an enforcer. Eric Groscurth, a 6-6 forward, was a slasher and good outside shooter. B.G.Brosterhous was a 6-10 center from Oregon who was one of the first true big men to play for Texas who actually had agility and talent. Jimmy Blacklock started out as the point guard. He was the first African-American to be elected team captain of a team sport at Texas. </p><br />
    <p>But right from the start he was pressed for playing time by another sophomore, Harry Larrabee, a 5-10 guard from Indiana. Scooter Lenox was guard with no remorse when it came to shooting. There was no 3-point line then, but he felt mid-court was his range anyway. John Mark Wilson was another forward, 6-8 235, who looked a helluva lot like Mike Wacker. Wilson was a strong rebounder who could shoot the mid-range jumper, but like Wacker, he saw his career cut short with knee injuries. </p><br />
    <p>The team started out fairly well, and went to Los Angeles to play in the Bruin Classic, as in UCLA Bruins. They had a pretty good team that year. Bill Walton, Larry Farmer, Greg Lee, Henry Bibby,Kieth Wilkes. Not a bad lineup. Texas trailed by 16 at the half. At the start of the 2nd half, the Horns stole an inbounds pass, hit a couple of shots, and the lead was down to 10. John Wooden calls<br />timeout, benches the entire first team, and puts in the subs, led by Swen Nater. The lead is back up to 20 in about 5 minutes. Walton ends up with 28 points and 24 rebounds, and UCLA wins by 40. They would go on to capture their 6th straight national title. </p></p>
    <p><p>Back then SMU was the dominant program in the SWC and actually had some success in the NCAA’s. Arkansas had recently discovered the game as well. They had a couple of outstanding players that year in Dean Tolson and Martin Terry and they looked to run at every opportunity. I was a student back then, and one of the wildest games I ever saw in Gregory Gym was that year when Texas beat Arkansas<br />117-93. </p></p>
    <p><p>But halfway through the conference season, Texas was in the middle of the pack when Coach Leon Black put Larrabee in the starting lineup. Jimmy Blacklock could have pouted, but he didn’t and ended up being a valuable contributor off the bench. After Larrabee was inserted into the lineup, Texas won 9 out of 10 games. Larrabee was a better ball handler and shooter than Blacklock and he always seemed to make the right decision on when to pass. </p><br />
    <p>Texas and SMU tied for the title and had a playoff game in Waco to see which team would go to the NCAA tournament. Texas won 91-89 in overtime as Robinson had 30 points and 12 rebounds. He also suffered a broken foot in the game. </p><br />
    <p>Texas was sent to Las Cruces, New Mexico to face the University of Houston. The Cougars were a few years away from joining the SWC, but Guy Lewis already had Houston on the<br />national map in college basketball. That year, UH was 20-6 and led by the Double D’s — Dwight Davis and Dwight Jones. Houston loved to press from the opening tip off, and they jumped out to an early lead. Texas called timeout, and afterward simply cleared out after the inbounds pass to let Harry Larrabee bring it up. </p><br />
    <p>It worked and Texas pulled the upset 85-74. Robinson spent the week leading up to the game in a soft cast, but he played, and had 23 points and 14 rebounds. </p><br />
    <p>The best memory of the game came at the end when Dwight Davis fouled out. Larrabee goes over to shake his hand, and with the camera zoomed in, Davis looks at Larrabee and says, “Fuck You.” Larrabee tries again, and again Davis drops the F Bomb on TV.</p><br />
    <p>Greatness. </p><br />
    <p>It was a stunning win and got national attention for the Horns who then moved to the regional in Ames, Iowa. Big 8 champ Kansas State was the opponent. The other teams in the Midwest Regional were Louisville and Southwest Louisiana. </p><br />
    <p>Texas was in no shape for the contest. Aside from Robinson’s broken foot, Lynn Howden was nursing a hurt ankle, B.G. Brosterhous had a bruised shoulder, and both Scooter Lenox and Larrabee were also slowed down by ankle injuries. In the write up for the<br />regional, Sport Illustrated’s Curry Kirkpatrick, in writing a preview said, “The Midwest Regional will consist of the Four C’s: The ‘Cats, ‘Cardinals, Cajuns — and the Cripples.” </p><br />
    <p>Texas tried to protect the injured Robinson and others as much as possible by switching to a zone, but Kansas State, led by Lon Kruger, prevailed 66-55. </p><br />
    <p>Robinson was drafted by the Boston Celtics after his senior season in 1974, and was the last man cut that year. The Celtics sent him over to Europe for some seasoning. Robinson became a star over in Sweden and didn’t come back. He later worked for Converse.</p><br />
    <p>That team isn’t among the best, but they sure as hell were fun to watch, and believe it or not, Gregory Gym rocked and was an absolute pit for opponents to play in. Robinson was a true star, but there were other really talented players around him, and if they had been injury free it could have been even better.</p></p>

  12. TaylorTRoom said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Thanks for the great story, SRR! When I read your first sentence, I was sure you were going to post about the ‘81-’82 Longhorn team that crashed from the top 5 when Wacker was hurt in Waco. Your story of hopes dashed and greatness almost reached is better.

  13. srr50 said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Taylor, that ‘81-’82 team consisted of two NBA-quality players and then 3 or 4 role players. I somehow viewed that as more of a personal tragedy for Mike Wacker, while I always thought that the 1971-72 was a missed opportunity to jump start the basketball program.

    Leon Black had some real success recruiting out of state, and perhaps some more national notice would have built on that.

    Of course this is also about the time that some SWC schools discovered that cheating in basketball also could pay dividends, so maybe it is a moot point.

  14. TaylorTRoom said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    SRR, why do you hate Dennard Holmes’ and Virdell Holland’s freedom?

    Seriously, you’re right. I met Wacker- a really good guy.

  15. Facebook User said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Any team that had TJ would beat any other Texas team. Except a TJ team from another year, cause, that’s like, unpossiblle.

    Anyway, TJ would get the W.

  16. srr50 said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    “Any team that had TJ would beat any other Texas team. Except a TJ team from another year, cause, that’s like, unpossiblle.”

    Johnny Moore might really make that like, unpossible.

  17. JonDoeSmith said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    The best team I’ve ever seen in Texas was the 1985 Bay City team with Hart Lee Dykes and LaBradford Smith.

  18. NVHorn said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    That 1996-97 team basically sucked, lucky Sweet 16 appearance notwithstanding. Two wins in the tourney doesn’t compensate for the entire average season. I’d put almost every Barnes team above that one.

  19. NVHorn said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Also, we got to the Sweet 16 in 2003-04 as a #3 seed, not as a #6.

  20. Facebook User said:

    March 31st, 2008 at 10:39 pm


    March 20, 1993. Michael Jordan doesn’t pay much attention as a kid named LaBradford Smith lights him up for 37 in a close Bulls win.

    Jordan is furious, even with the victory, and tells teammates he’ll get 37 in the first half the next night, when in a quirk in the schedule the Bulls are playing Washington again.

    Jordan gets 36 in the first half and rims out a jumper as the first half ends with the Bulls blowing out the then-Bullets.

  21. DrJHorn said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 1:43 am

    LaBradford Smith is the brother of Annette and Audrey Smith. Annette Smith (now Smith-Knight) may still be the all-time leading scorer in Lady Longhorn basketball history and was twice the SWC Player of the Year.

    If we had had any semblance of a men’s basketball program in the mid-80’s, we could have had a great shot at landing LaBradford. Thank you, Weltlich.

  22. RFourie said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 4:54 am

    Otis Birdsong on the ‘67-’68 team? I guess he was big for an 8 year old…

  23. TaylorTRoom said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 5:05 am

    I didn’t say Otis.

    I meant Ralph Birdsong.

  24. TxTower said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 6:49 am

    Birdsong? Don’t you mean Don Chaney?

  25. TaylorTRoom said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 7:40 am

    Good heavens, how many Cougar basketball nit-pickers are there? I’ve already confused Alvin Franklin with Rob Williams, and Don Chaney with Otis Birdsong. I haven’t even mentioned Cadillac Anderson or Linden Rose.

    Aren’t we selling Baylor short (Terry Teagle, Vinnie Johnson)? Didn’t Rice have a star player in the early ’80s, too?

  26. TxTower said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Just keepin it real. It was after all the “Game of the Century” back then just as the ‘69 Tex/Ark game was in football.

  27. CrazyJoeDavola said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    “Didn’t Rice have a star player in the early ’80s, too”

    Ricky Pierce.

  28. srr50 said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Ricky Pierce — three time All SWC, averaged over 22 points a game during his career. Played 16 years in the NBA, and once hit 71 free throws in a row.

    But perhaps best known for having one of the best Afros ever seen in the SWC.

  29. Facebook User said:

    April 1st, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    My brother guarded him in high school, and by guarded him I mean didn’t. Garland H.S, I think.

  30. scagnetti said:

    April 6th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    WORD TO YER MOMMA for the BMW!!!!

    simply loved watching that team play.
    that was when i became a Horns basketball fan. never been able to shake it since!

    BMW!

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