Comments on: False Icons In Sport

By: George Patton

George Patton — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:27:10 +0000

“What was the real reason for this article other than you felt like regurgitating some crap you read in book you got from the right wing weekly reader.” — Marshall Stack

Scip’s a right wing nut and military man. Ted Williams was a right wing nut and ace fighter pilot. Ali refused to serve. End of story.

By: Scipio Tex

Scipio Tex — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:03:47 +0000

Looks like HBO has decided to revisit this topic and they're not "a right wing weekly reader."

By: Sal the Stockbroker

Sal the Stockbroker — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:54:06 +0000

Easy there Marshall. Scipio is blacker than Wesley Snipes.

By: marshall stack

marshall stack — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:39:09 +0000

You’d have a point with your revisionist history if Ali happened in a vacuum. Your opinion and amen choir are not fully appreciating the hell being caught by blacks during this time in this country. You are quick to point out all the negative aspects of the NOI, but you again fail to paint an acurate picture of the conditions that helped create a need for a redemptive organization like the NOI.

The premise of this article wrong on so many fronts and all of it stems from your lack of understanding or full appreciation of the historic and present hell black folks were catching during and before Ali’s time period.

Add to that an unpopular war and a draft, then you can understand and maybe even appreciate how Ali became such a folk hero.

To many of the voiceless, his defiant speech and rhetoric was redemptive. To many of the powerless, his ass kicking dominance was a source of pride. Ali was not who you or established white america pre approved as an exceptable hero for blacks. That in itself was empowering.

Again, your mini book report on the NOI and Islam movement in america at that time with out clearly pointing out the sicking conditions that created these movements is intellectually dishonest.

It’s real easy to sit back and pass judgement and pick apart a persons life when you cannot even fathom what it would be like to exist under the dehumanizing conditions of racism, segragration, Jim Crow, lynchings, fear, and intimidation with no recourse through the law for justice.

What was the real reason for this article other than you felt like regurgitating some crap you read in book you got from the right wing weekly reader.

By: Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog

Sasha_Is_A_Longhorn_Dog — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:26:39 +0000

I’ve been reading the articles on this site for the past few weeks and I have been more impressed with each passing day. This article, in particular, was very well written. It is nice to get a different perspective on historical figures than the one I have been taught in school and by society (as I am in my mid-20s).

Keep up the good work! I look forward to reading more!

By: bad boomer

bad boomer — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:22:25 +0000

caradoc is the only lucid poster here.
Fuck all you boomer bashers and limp wristed boomer self bashers.

Our parents may have been the greatest generation during the big war, but afterwards they installed a suffocating socially stagnant culture in te 50’s.

what was that caradoc said? something about “recent generations of self indulgent conformists?” You little pricks dont want to back there. You wont like it.

Elvis, Kerouac, Bruce and Ali, et al, were our tickets out of it. It wasnt all about who Ali really was. It was about his impertinents, irreverence, his disdain for the status quo “authority.” Something the creators of this blogsite should appreciate, Tex included.

Reading all these corn cob posts makes me want to think maybe this generation hasnt come that far. NOooooooo……!

By: billw

billw — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:42:48 +0000

Great article! Contrary to how many “journalists” try to portray Ali as unpopular with whites, he was hugely popular with most of the people in his era. I for one was not one of them. I don’t like rigged fights as was done against Sonny Liston. Liston took a dive from a punch that has been shown on film to never have landed. Liston was truly as good as we all thought that Tyson was going to be. Joe Frazier gave him Parkinson’s from the Thriller in Manila. Ali “won” the fight, but who was in the hospital with his head swollen twice its normal size after the fight? That would be Ali. Then when he beat George Foreman he ducked him to keep from losing. Rope a dope was only going to work once.

By: Scipio Tex

Scipio Tex — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:35:51 +0000

Stuff White People Like is my favorite new site. Thanks for that.

By: An Honest Piece on Sports Icons « Last Row

An Honest Piece on Sports Icons « Last Row — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:14:53 +0000

[...] An Honest Piece on Sports Icons Published February 19, 2008 Entertainment , History , Politics , Sports Tags: Athletes, Boxing, Heavyweight Boxing, Joe DiMaggio, Media, Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali, Opinion, Ted Williams Stumbled across this piece from a writer over at our friends at Barking Carnival, “False Icons In Sport”. [...]

By: WhoooTex

WhoooTex — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:49:15 +0000

Astonishingly incisive. Put into words something I’ve felt for a long time but been unable to articulate. Passed this along to all of my friends, liberal or conservative, as it should at least be deeply though-provoking whether the reader agrees or not.

Scip, at the risk of sounding like a fanboy, I am a huge admirer of your writing and can’t imagine why someone would spend 50 cents a day to read Kirk Bohls or Mike Lupica when your stuff’s available for free. It is free, right? I’m not paying if it’s not and I take back the nice things I said if I like owe you a check or something now that I’ve read this. You’re not getting dime one from me!