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Mangino learned from Snyder and Stoops before eating them both

Posted by HenryJames on November 2nd, 2007 under Football

Great coaches usually hire great assistants. Kansas coach Mark Mangino was an assistant at both Kansas State and Oklahoma, and he learned from both Bill Snyder and Bob Stoops how to be successful as a head coach.

“When I got to Oklahoma I thought they would have some rituals, rubbing some rock, everybody touch the Sooner Schooner,” Mangino said. “No. You went to the locker room, got dressed, went out and won, showered up and went home. The tradition is winning. I’m a firm believer in a system and routine. I guess I got that from Bob.”

Mangino and Stoops knew each other from their days on Snyder’s Kansas State staff. Sure he’s an enigmatic weirdo, but Snyder was one of the best evaluators of coaching talent around. That’s an impressive coaching tree.

The most impressive thing was all the future head coaches that Snyder had on staff when they were young and hungry assistants: Mangino, Stoops, Mike Stoops, Bret Bielema, Jim Leavitt and Dana Dimel among others.

Sometimes you just have to hire the young guy with more upside.

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  1. Texas_Taps said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 am

    Glad to see you could slip another dig at Mack in there.

    this site should be renamed firemackbrown.com

  2. Minnesotahorn said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 9:52 am

    You certinaly are a whiny little bitch.

  3. Scipio Tex said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 9:57 am

    Texas Taps:

    Should coordinator positions be destination jobs?

    At a certain point, does a dynamic organization suffer when creative tension is sapped by comfort, philosophical conformity, a little complacency?

    There’s a hell of a lot of value to having aggressive young guys with big plans in an organization. The key is mentoring them and directing their energy appropriately.

    Do you think this is a Brown strength? Do you think he’d be comfortable if his own staff members challenged the status quo? How would you characterize his coaching tree?

  4. Stuck in MN said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 9:58 am

    Taps- tell us about the many young and hungry coaches we have on staff, or better yet continue your lecture on how much the SWC sucked in the 60s and 70s.

    Wow, two Minnesota Texas fans on the same thread. There must be dozens of us up here.

  5. ChrisApplewhite said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:01 am

    Scipio, don’t waste your time. Texas Taps is the echeese of hornfans, right down to the overuse of the roll eye emoticon.

  6. Scipio Tex said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:10 am

    Oh.

  7. HenryJames said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 am

    ChrisApplewhite was Greg Davis’ offensive coordinator at Tulane.

    Burn.

  8. Doperbo said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:14 am

    “this site should be renamed firemackbrown.com”

    If we’re taking renaming votes I have to submit my original preference again.

    Burnt Orange Hitman Posse Of Ninjas.

  9. kchorn04 said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 am

    Mack’s tree has Gene Chizik, Greg Robinson and Tim Brewster. Each of them has won a game as a collegiate head coach.

  10. Texoz said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:25 am

    “How would you characterize his coaching tree?”

    Lately, it’s more like a thorny underbrush.

  11. BebopHorn said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:33 am

    I just don’t understand why true Horn fans can’t accept the fact that Mack has become complacent and is currently underachieving with the talent and resources available to him. With very few exceptions, Mack has been given all the credit in the world with returning UT football to prominence, but 10-win seasons without championships are hollow accomplishments.

  12. Ag'01 said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 10:53 am

    Mack is underachieving. And ten win seasons are particularly hollow the first weekend in December. But consider the options. Mack is a known quantity. Do you really want to to roll the dice with a new coach? Case in point, DenniFran. I think RC would have won more games with the talent A&M has right now. Is it worth it for Texas to hire a new coach and wind up in the position A&M is currently in five years down the road?

  13. BRAGGonUT said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 11:07 am

    Are you comparing Aggie 2003 to Texas 2007?

  14. McLovin said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 am

    I thought it was the echeese of Orangebloods? This is very confusing.

    There’s not a single coach on our staff who is hungry. They know they’ve got a good gig – certainly until MB retires – and human nature being what it is their overriding concern is not to screw it up. Not good for the rest of us.

  15. Holdem said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 am

    The obvious point that most Pumpers miss is that Texas is about the easiest place for a coach to win in the entire country. This is not North Carolina where Mack was doing an outstanding job to just win 10 games, there are a ton of coaches that could come in here and win 10 a year with a 12 game schedule every year, especially with Mack’s Div II non-conference schedule.

  16. Ag'01 said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 am

    A&M ‘01 makes for a better analogy.

  17. kevwun said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 am

    A&M ‘41 is a better analogy because that’s the last time A&M was 2 years removed from a national title.

  18. kchorn04 said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 am

    I think people are thinking about it incorrectly. I really have never blamed Mack for keeping Davis because of conservative playcalling. I blame Mack for being conservative and hiring keeping coordinators that won’t go against his wishes.

    There is a reason why the issues have been with coordinators on both sides of the ball. There is a reason why a more conservative gameplan has been called on both sides of the ball in big games. There is a reason why experienced guys start over more talented, but less experienced ones.

    It ain’t Greg Davis. It is Mack Brown. If Chris Peterson walked up to him after Greg Davis passed and asked for the job at half the pay, Mack would probably go hire his own brother.

    It also speaks to the current state of recruiting. Mack doesn’t want a fight or take a risk on a decommitment from a OOS kid. His coaches want to recruit, he doesn’t. He is the conservative one.

  19. yikes said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    I cringe whenever I see a Bill Littl….umm Texas_Taps post.

  20. DBH said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    “Texas Taps is the echeese of hornfans, right down to the overuse of the roll eye emoticon.”

    Says it all.

  21. echeese said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    “Texas Taps is the echeese of hornfans, right down to the overuse of the roll eye emoticon.”

    Wrong. I am the only echeese out there.

    It would be nice to pin all the blame for your anger on someone you clearly dispise. It must suck to be so wrong and to have me constantly point it out to you.

    I will keep arguing for the truth while you spin with facts you cherry pick to fit you’re agenda.

    Some of you would like to see Texas lose every game just because it would prove your agenda to blame Mack Brown.

  22. Jiminy Cricket said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    Exactly kc.

    People need to recognize that Mack is the freakin’ problem instead of pussyfooting around the issue and blaming his coordinators.

    Mack likes the deferential guys who implement his conservative preference.

    He was uncomfortable around the football guys Robinson and Tomey because they QUICKLY established that they were more football saavy than Mack and players began to look at them as equals of Mack.

    Remember – Mack only hired them because his job was in jeaopardy after winning nothing, playing in no BCS bowls and getting his ass kicked by OU.

    Now that he has that NC in his back pocket, he knows he is safe and will continue to reside in his pathetic comfort zone.

    I and MANY other Texas fans are just tired of Mack and everything he entails. Texas needs an asskicker to return some balls to this emasculated program.

    The softness that pervades the entire program makes me sick and the sunshine pumpers like Texas Taps are always the biggest pussies in the room.

  23. Sgt. Hulka said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    Lighten Up Francis

    Mack also got Vince Young to Texas which gave us a NCAA champ

  24. DBH said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    “…you’re agenda.”

    or

    “…your agenda…”

    Pick one and stick with it, ‘cheese. You’ve got a 50-50 chance of being right.

  25. BRAGGonUT said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    echeese doesn’t have a 50-50 chance of being right on a coin flip.

  26. Sgt. Hulka said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    I come to this website because the barkers – Henry James is funny and Scipio writes well and the other guys like Chris Applewhite and Texas Football teach me about football strategy and personnel decisions and so in a very entertaining manner and they do not try to straight jacket the posters. I have watched football for 40 years but I learn something every game.

    Most of the posters are neither funny nor insightful and their incessant hatred of the coaching staff is tiresome. At least be funny when you make your commentary. It is so much more effective and entertaining.

    Many football fans had to put up with 35 years bewteen NCAA titles so I think we will give the guy who help delivere one to us a few years to get it right again. I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

    That is not to say that all is perfect or right with the program but to say that MANY are tired of Mack is just not accurate (SOME might be a better word). This teams performance and the coaches performance is not up to the standards that we demand (at least 10 wins a year – which we will not acheive this year).

    I am happy no, do I want to get rid of Mack, of course not. Do I want

    You might want to define MANY just to make sure that we have the same definition.

    But to call someone “the biggest pussies in the room..” is just stupid.

  27. DBH said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 pm

    Well, if he picks wrong, no one will be surprised, that’s for sure.

  28. Tarateer said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    I finally figured it out. echeese is really the Iraqi Information Minister. I wondered where he would surface.

    “I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place”

  29. honkskillet said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    Nice cameo, echeese. These bitches are becoming whinier and whinier by the day. I defy anyone to come up with a football related topic they can turn into a snipe at Texas.

  30. honkskillet said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 5:02 pm

    [edit] can -> cannot

  31. Scipio Tex said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    Bitches must be kicked.

  32. ChrisApplewhite said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 7:23 pm

    I could turn any comment about anything into a snipe about Texas. I’m just that good.

  33. Longhorn_Steve said:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    yet all you sunshine pumpers keep showing up

  34. nickadeemus2002 said:

    November 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 am

    TT’s act is getting tired…

  35. NVHorn said:

    November 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    You’re going to need to drop the literacy level down a few more notches, Echeese Imitator.

  36. hersh said:

    November 20th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    so this post popped up next to the most recent KU disaster and it made me laugh

    hindsight always being 20/20 it sure looks like that mack brown guy knew what he was doing

    in order
    Mangino – fat asshat on his way out for being abusive
    Stoops – paper bully
    Mike Stoops – in Arizona suckitude
    Bret Bielema – Capital One bowl win is highlight of his career
    Jim Leavitt – USF coach known for recruiting thugs, 6-3 in a joke of a conference
    Dana Dimel – tight ends coach at arizona, highlight was one year at wyoming

    wow, could you have called it any more incorrectly?

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